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 GoonBandito wrote:
Erebus. Basically started the Heresy by turning Horus to Chaos.

This. Erebus engineered the Horus Heresy. No greater accomplishment unless another Marine manages to bring a Primarch back to the Emperor's side after Chaos corrupted it.

LightKing wrote:

 Lord Tarkin wrote:
My vote is Cypher. Dude has been wrecking entire planets and he's killed Chaos Lords, Chapter Masters and Inquisitors of all varieties. His accomplishments are lengthy, here's a link.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cypher

How is this dude still alive? 10,000 years old and not Chaos tainted so...shouldn't he be dead

i mean Dante is only 1100

He spends a lot of his time in the Eye, where time is all but meaningless. And besides, nobody knows if Space Marines die of old age cuz they die on the battlefield before anything can be proven.

Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

Bjorn has been in a box for roughly 10 millennia watching his chapter slowly die.

 King Pariah wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

Bjorn has been in a box for roughly 10 millennia watching his chapter slowly die.

He also saw the fact the imperium faultered in the g
Golden age and now is slowly dying and ever weaker having lost all direction.

 jhe90 wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

Bjorn has been in a box for roughly 10 millennia watching his chapter slowly die.

He also saw the fact the imperium faultered in the g
Golden age and now is slowly dying and ever weaker having lost all direction.

Guess that means there is nothing special about Dante. Bjorn has done it longer and better.

But is Bjorn doing anything about it? My personal interpretation is that he doesn't fully know what is going on, being in and out of sleep even for a dreadnought. Dante is actually watching on a day to day basis, and is trying to do something about it.

Mudrat wrote:
But is Bjorn doing anything about it? My personal interpretation is that he doesn't fully know what is going on, being in and out of sleep even for a dreadnought. Dante is actually watching on a day to day basis, and is trying to do something about it.

Depends on the Fluff.
In some stories Bjorn just sleeps, in others he's a latent but powerful psyker who protects Fenris from warp threats while he sleeps which is why he takes longer and longer to wake up and why he's so disorientated when he finally does. That aside whenever Bjorn is woken up for something other than the Wolves' century feast his actions are usually pivotal in some way or another.

Mudrat wrote:
But is Bjorn doing anything about it? My personal interpretation is that he doesn't fully know what is going on, being in and out of sleep even for a dreadnought. Dante is actually watching on a day to day basis, and is trying to do something about it.

He seems pretty up to date considering he gets consulted on things by Space Wolves.

The psyker stuff is new to me. Do the wolves claim he's a Rune Priest or whatever the hell they call them, or do they actually concede he is a dyed in the wool psyker? I'm not holding my breath.

Mudrat wrote:
The psyker stuff is new to me. Do the wolves claim he's a Rune Priest or whatever the hell they call them, or do they actually concede he is a dyed in the wool psyker? I'm not holding my breath.

There was no mention of the Wolves actually knowing about it. Come to think of it I've never read anything about the Wolves asking Bjorn personal questions either...no wonder he's a grouchy old sod, the Wolves only ever wake him up to demand stories of the Heresy or beg advice...kind of a poor show that.

As for the Wolves being Psykers I don't think the Wolves ever had an issue with psychic powers themselves, big E said stop it so the Wolves stopped along with all the other Chapters, except the Thousand Sons, the Wolves just picked it up again when everyone else did.
Russ and the boys attacked the Sons under falsified orders from the big E and because Russ was more than happy to take a crack at any of his brothers, he's kind of a jerk like that - gives them every last chance to change their ways but he's more than happy to fight them.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

Mudrat wrote:
The psyker stuff is new to me. Do the wolves claim he's a Rune Priest or whatever the hell they call them, or do they actually concede he is a dyed in the wool psyker? I'm not holding my breath.

As for the Wolves being Psykers I don't think the Wolves ever had an issue with psychic powers themselves, big E said stop it so the Wolves stopped along with all the other Chapters, except the Thousand Sons, the Wolves just picked it up again when everyone else did.
Russ and the boys attacked the Sons under falsified orders from the big E and because Russ was more than happy to take a crack at any of his brothers, he's kind of a jerk like that - gives them every last chance to change their ways but he's more than happy to fight them.

They didn't stop. Go back to Prospero Burns and re-read the whole section between Nikaea and Prospero.

Koorland...until he got stepped on. No other Astarte has ever actually run the imperium solo. Without koorland the imperium wouldn't exist, can you say that about any other space marine?

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

Mudrat wrote:
The psyker stuff is new to me. Do the wolves claim he's a Rune Priest or whatever the hell they call them, or do they actually concede he is a dyed in the wool psyker? I'm not holding my breath.

As for the Wolves being Psykers I don't think the Wolves ever had an issue with psychic powers themselves, big E said stop it so the Wolves stopped along with all the other Chapters, except the Thousand Sons, the Wolves just picked it up again when everyone else did.
Russ and the boys attacked the Sons under falsified orders from the big E and because Russ was more than happy to take a crack at any of his brothers, he's kind of a jerk like that - gives them every last chance to change their ways but he's more than happy to fight them.

They didn't stop. Go back to Prospero Burns and re-read the whole section between Nikaea and Prospero.

Will do.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


As for the Wolves being Psykers I don't think the Wolves ever had an issue with psychic powers themselves, big E said stop it so the Wolves stopped along with all the other Chapters, except the Thousand Sons, the Wolves just picked it up again when everyone else did.
Russ and the boys attacked the Sons under falsified orders from the big E and because Russ was more than happy to take a crack at any of his brothers, he's kind of a jerk like that - gives them every last chance to change their ways but he's more than happy to fight them.

My comment was more about their insistence that they get there powers from fenris or whatever crap excuse they used. That hypocrasy always drove me away from liking the Space Wolves, and then them murdering everything on prospero made me like the Thousand Sons

Mudrat wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


As for the Wolves being Psykers I don't think the Wolves ever had an issue with psychic powers themselves, big E said stop it so the Wolves stopped along with all the other Chapters, except the Thousand Sons, the Wolves just picked it up again when everyone else did.
Russ and the boys attacked the Sons under falsified orders from the big E and because Russ was more than happy to take a crack at any of his brothers, he's kind of a jerk like that - gives them every last chance to change their ways but he's more than happy to fight them.

My comment was more about their insistence that they get there powers from fenris or whatever crap excuse they used. That hypocrasy always drove me away from liking the Space Wolves, and then them murdering everything on prospero made me like the Thousand Sons

Meh, hypocracy is a common language in the Imperium - along with lying, secret keeping and misdirection.
The most honest races in the imperium are the Orcs and Tyranids.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

Bjorn has been in a box for roughly 10 millennia watching his chapter slowly die.

He also saw the fact the imperium faultered in the g
Golden age and now is slowly dying and ever weaker having lost all direction.

Guess that means there is nothing special about Dante. Bjorn has done it longer and better.

Dante has been commanding the blood angles for hundreds of years, one of the most prominent, famous, and also challenging to lead chapters in the imperium. Bjorn has been sitting semi-concious in a box.

Bah, out of the way newbs and let Slaughter Koorland and his Imperium Saving deeds stand out (because Shadow of Ullanor NEVER happened...).

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

 Sir Samuel Buca wrote:
I'm waiting for the hate on this, but I'd say Marneus Calgar. Codex states that only Guilliman has accomplished more than him, he's not only a superlative warrior, but he's also a capable General, a successful politician and a very fair minded person.

Strange.

Got a quote?

Not at the moment, I'm on holiday, but when I'm home, I'll cracking open the books and find the exact quote.

 WE Drake Man wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

Bjorn has been in a box for roughly 10 millennia watching his chapter slowly die.

He also saw the fact the imperium faultered in the g
Golden age and now is slowly dying and ever weaker having lost all direction.

Guess that means there is nothing special about Dante. Bjorn has done it longer and better.

Dante has been commanding the blood angles for hundreds of years, one of the most prominent, famous, and also challenging to lead chapters in the imperium. Bjorn has been sitting semi-concious in a box.

That's like saying Dante sits at a desk signing things.

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

Bjorn has been in a box for roughly 10 millennia watching his chapter slowly die.

He also saw the fact the imperium faultered in the g
Golden age and now is slowly dying and ever weaker having lost all direction.

Guess that means there is nothing special about Dante. Bjorn has done it longer and better.

Dante has been commanding the blood angles for hundreds of years, one of the most prominent, famous, and also challenging to lead chapters in the imperium. Bjorn has been sitting semi-concious in a box.

That's like saying Dante sits at a desk signing things.

Funnily enough, that's what Chapter Master used to be in the old fluff : old retired SM that would act as the supreme administrator of a Chapter, while another Marine, the Lieutnant Commander was in charge of all military operations and assets.

Engrenages wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

Bjorn has been in a box for roughly 10 millennia watching his chapter slowly die.

He also saw the fact the imperium faultered in the g
Golden age and now is slowly dying and ever weaker having lost all direction.

Guess that means there is nothing special about Dante. Bjorn has done it longer and better.

Dante has been commanding the blood angles for hundreds of years, one of the most prominent, famous, and also challenging to lead chapters in the imperium. Bjorn has been sitting semi-concious in a box.

That's like saying Dante sits at a desk signing things.

Funnily enough, that's what Chapter Master used to be in the old fluff : old retired SM that would act as the supreme administrator of a Chapter, while another Marine, the Lieutnant Commander was in charge of all military operations and assets.

And makes far more sense to be honest

Sense has no place in M41. Only grimdark and war.

And makes far more sense to be honest

Yeah I agree and I really like the idea, it would give more depths to SM Chapters organization, but that's probably not as badass for GW current direction.

We need some depth...just some. A shiny skin won't keep everyone interested...

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 jhe90 wrote:

 King Pariah wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 WE Drake Man wrote:
Dante. No one else comes close UNLESS you count chaos in which case Abaddon

What's Dante done that's so impressive?

Survive a millennium to watch his chapter slowly die.

Bjorn has been in a box for roughly 10 millennia watching his chapter slowly die.

He also saw the fact the imperium faultered in the g
Golden age and now is slowly dying and ever weaker having lost all direction.

Guess that means there is nothing special about Dante. Bjorn has done it longer and better.

Dante has been commanding the blood angles for hundreds of years, one of the most prominent, famous, and also challenging to lead chapters in the imperium. Bjorn has been sitting semi-concious in a box.

That's like saying Dante sits at a desk signing things.

That's about the way I'd put it.

Alvarex Maun

He saved corax by piloting a burning thunderhawk with one wing.

Saul Tarvitz.

Single-handedly saved all the loyalists on Istváan III.

Garro

Warned the Emperor

Ahrimman

Saved his whole legion by teleporting them into the warp, saved them again by turning them into dust and has been looking for a way to reverse that ever since.



To be fair everyone, including me, is actually Alpharius, so this thread is pointless.

Simple answer: Heiram Swadsworth.

Dude was a freakin' boss.