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Nurgle DP with wings and Hand of Darkness makes for an ultimate Knight/Wraithknight hunter (plus any other vehicles/characters) it seems.

Not really. They only take d3 wounds /hullpoints at best.
Montrous creatures are a different story, but superheavies and GMC don't feel too threatened by the hand.

Against a Knight you are rolling 6 st10 ap1 attacks on the charge rerolling to hit, with armourbane. Considering that Kharn has a reasonable chance of taking down a Knight with Gorechild, lower strength and worse ap... st10 ap1 armourbane should annihilate a Knight. Each attack (due to Knights being IOM) will have a 8/9 chance to hit and a 33/36 chance to pen. That's 4.9hps on average before you factor in glances and explodes results stripping off more. At I8.

Against a WK it hits 2/3's and wounds 5/6. That's 3.3 wounds before you factor in the d3's.

Sorry... forget what I wrote. Just re-read the wording above it about a single attack... Balls! (Was actually considering using my DG or WE as BL just for that single artifact until I re-read that lol)

Hand of darkness is one attack only.


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We can but dream. Anything for killing wraithknights?

One thing i'm really really happy about with my Renegades is The Bringers of Despair formation. Up until this point I had been allying in Abaddon, termis, a dreadclaw and 2 tax cultist units.

Now I can take it without the cultist tax (IA13 gives permission for any terminator unit to take a dreadclaw), and my termis get VotLW for free, Endless Hatred and +1ws and +1bs. That is MASSIVE since I was running them with great effect already (well - before I stopped playing in the summer anyhow)! Plus I can still have them as MoK since they are BL.

You still need to get a fast attack dreadclaw to put the termies in though. It's not a dedicated option for terminators and only the dedicated unit can start the game in it when you buy a dedicated one.

As for the wraithknights, there still isn't a 100% solution. But a BL prince with black mace or axe of blind fury can pile on some wounds if you get a good daemon weapon roll.
You can reasonably expect either to put on around 3 wounds. A khorne prince bufffed by blades of putrefaction and/or curse of leper has a good chance of straight up killing a knight, but that's not exactly something you can bet on. It's far from impossible though.

Seer's bane could also kill a knight, but you need to reduce it's leadership or roll precognition and either way, you're going to be get hit in return.
A WE prince or lord with a metric ton of attacks thanks to the +1A on boon rolls could do probably do it too. That thing has almost 20 attacks on the charge lol, not likely to happen but yea.

Other than that... summon a D-Thirster and go to town?

Corrected on other thread.

How would the astral grimoire work when disembarking a transport?

It will not cause ther unit is not on board and you can't target it.

What is the holder was embarked themselves?

Captyn_Bob wrote:
What is the holder was embarked themselves?

They can't target the unit cause they don't see them cause they're not on the table...Something like this i guess.

Will a warp talon unit (from a raptor talon formation) still scatter if I deep strike them on cursed earth with a lord attached to the unit?

No, but you'll have to wait until turn two. Unfortunately, by the time you cast cursed earth with a black legion raptor talon, the warp talons will have already arrived.

I was thinking of doing this with a Word bearers DP with a malific tome combined with some summoning

 Darksider wrote:
I realky liked the idea from sonsofvulkan=).

So i tried to make a decent list with my available models^^.

BL CAD
DP of nurgle with wings, armour and mace
3x3 termis ( i only have 3 meltas and 2 flamers).
Low
Renegade knigth with battlecanon and reaper sword
IW CAD
DP of tzeentch with wings and fleshmetal armour
6x1 oblits

Dont know how many points this list is, maybe something around 1600 points?

Thought about adding the omniscient oracles or helldrakes.

What would you add to this list, sticking to the theme (want to keep my dps + at least 2x3 termis and my oblits)? Want to make it somehow decent, to play some tournaments and don' t get instant wiped=).

Hope this can be good and you guys can help me a bit^^.

Your welcome

I would just proxy the termies in friendly games, trust me stick with combi-meltas. If you go the DP route, they all need to be ML3 and take spell familiar to maximize their usage. I would take Chaos Knight of Khorne with the Legacy over renegade knight if you had the points to spare.

Thank you very much for the response^^.

Chaos Knight of Khorne should be possible, with the available points. But i either have to kick 3 Termis (by 3x3 Termis in the list) or strip some ml from a DP.

BL CAD

DP of Nurgle, Black Mace, ML3, Wings, Armour Spellfamiliar
2x3 Terminators (3x Meltas each + Chainfist)
Daemon Knight of Khorne with Dirgecaster

Ironwarrior CAD
DP of Tzeentch, ML3, Wings, Fleshmetalarmour, Spellfamiliar
6x1 Oblits

That's around 1760 points. What should i take for the rest or should i kick the DPs?
Are they good enough?

What do you think from this list, does it stand a Chance against some competitive Lists out there?

 Darksider wrote:
Thank you very much for the response^^.

Chaos Knight of Khorne should be possible, with the available points. But i either have to kick 3 Termis (by 3x3 Termis in the list) or strip some ml from a DP.

BL CAD

DP of Nurgle, Black Mace, ML3, Wings, Armour Spellfamiliar
2x3 Terminators (3x Meltas each + Chainfist)
Daemon Knight of Khorne with Dirgecaster

Ironwarrior CAD
DP of Tzeentch, ML3, Wings, Fleshmetalarmour, Spellfamiliar
6x1 Oblits

That's around 1760 points. What should i take for the rest or should i kick the DPs?
Are they good enough?

What do you think from this list, does it stand a Chance against some competitive Lists out there?

The chaos knight needs the legacy which is a additional 25pts. Honestly I would drop the nurgle DP, you don't have enough Psychic battery to field both efficiently, sub it for a unmarked sorcerer and bring 2 more termie units, bring a heldrake too if you can to max up to 1850.

Oh yeah this list is very competitive. Good board control, very shooty, multiple big threats that your opponent has to deal with. It's actually a very good match up against gladius, you out range them with 6 tank hunting oblits, and if they want to deal with them they need to go through a chaos Knight with 3++,4++ protecting the center back field. Your DP will probably have to fly and be a shooting platform. Turn 2, your opponent will have to deal with a bunch of melta termies dropping down on them and maybe a heldrake. I don't think CSM had this kind of shooting capability since 5th ed.

Okay thanks for your advice=).
What does the legacy do? Dont have the book^^.

What should i give the sorc? Terminator armour or jumppack?

Another 2x3 termis isn't possible for me as i only have 10 of them and only 3 melta and 2 flamer and a reaper=(. But 3x3 with proxied meltas can do it=).
Helldrakes are no problem as i have two of them=).

So i would add a drake another 3 termis with melta + legacy on the knight and the socerer ml 3 with jumppack or terminator armour. Dp of nurgle gets kicked.

Should be near 1850 points. Hope this is decent^^.

That specific legacy adds 1 to invuln saves for all khorne daemons within 6". So your Chaos knight will have a 4++, and 3++ for the ion shield.

Not so sure about the ion shield. The legacy specifically says it improves their daemonic save.

 Roknar wrote:
Not so sure about the ion shield. The legacy specifically says it improves their daemonic save.

Yeah you may be right, 4++ all around. Its 40 pts actually not 25

Hm 40 Points for +1 invul? Doesn't sound that good to me, but maybe i am not aware of what +1 invul can do^^.

How would you kit out the sorc you suggested?

Talking about legacies of ruin. What you guys think about the Persis rift anomaly for world eaters, 20pts let's you RE roll seize or force your opponent to RE roll it if they get a 6.

It's late for maths but I'm gonna say that gives you a 30%ish chance to always sieze ?

With we liking that first turn it all most feels too juicy not to try and include right!?

That's...not a bad idea, but how much is it?

Reasonably cheap at 20 points and you just need to deploy the vehicle. It also gets preferred enemy tau, so might be an idea to put on a knight.

Just want to get peoples opinions when you take the warband do you take x2 5 man CSM squads or do you take x2 10 man squads and do you take the rhino or not ?

Though i'm honestly despite the fact i want the dream +1 toughness from the drugs in the decurion, tempted to just go back to playing CAD just so I don't have to take the tax units like CSMs

The warband taxes are all great because of Objective Secured (my group plays Maelstrom exclusively). I would definitely bring Rhinos.


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My latest list has 3 units of 5 (DG CSM), in rhinos. And they worked great as a forward moving road block for spawn, bikes, and Princes, with havocs in the backfield.

But i also prefer MSU style lists.

 Rydria wrote:
Just want to get peoples opinions when you take the warband do you take x2 5 man CSM squads or do you take x2 10 man squads and do you take the rhino or not ?

Though i'm honestly despite the fact i want the dream +1 toughness from the drugs in the decurion, tempted to just go back to playing CAD just so I don't have to take the tax units like CSMs

EC, DG and WE csm have been improved to the point of not being a tax imo. Maybe AL and NL too.

hah anyone see this BR yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiZR7juqnc

wont spoil but they testing WE against hardcore tau list

 Latro_ wrote:
hah anyone see this BR yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTiZR7juqnc

wont spoil but they testing WE against hardcore tau list

I'm 45 seconds into this video and I want to die. The first intro was loud as all hell and had slow text appearing with misspelled words. The second intro that plays immediately after the first is even louder. I will now watch the rest after I get all this blood out of my ears.


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World Eater army has one extra CSM model in every single unit. They clearly state the amount of points each unit is and it does not include a sixth man. For guys who clearly know the game and paint beautifully this is a really silly mistake.

Also, yes Khorne loves him some close combat but Khorne loves ANY kind of combat, including shooting. I hate when Khorne players throw all their eggs in the close combat basket and when it doesn't work they shrug, "Well guess the army doesn't work." Get some oblits and throw some laz on the havocs or something! For their credit they do mention this at the end but they really need to do a report with it and then decide where World Eaters are.