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Grand Convocation? I like the sound of that

Funny the formations are Skitarii/Cult/Knights, they should just roll them all into one codex if they're always putting them together in formations

 ultimentra wrote:
And if a BT player doesn't want to use Battle Company because it uses Tacticals instead of Crusaders? It literally doesn't make any sense for BT to use Gladius or Battle Company.

Sure, I get it. Just saying that it is an option and a good one. I understand wanting a more fluffy option, however.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Oh, I don't use War Convocation, I must be missing out...

*looks up War Convocation*

MOTHER OF GOD

Ya it's pretty much your go to competitive formation at least until they combine codecs and create new units.
It will be hard pressed to find a formation that gives free upgrades including relics to an entire detschment, canticles to all including skitari, dual canticle uses, and normal formation benefits like reroll warlord traits while being flexible on units and fitting under 1850pts.


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 ultimentra wrote:

gungo wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Cult Mech, Skitarii and Knights pretty much sums up my current Admech army.

Cool

lol it's everyone's ad mech army because of war convocation
However there is pretty much no chance this or any formation will ever be better than war convocation without a serious screw up by GW.
But it's cool ad mech players have another fluffy non-ultra competitive formation.

Just watch guys, the formation will literally be a re-print of the War Convocation. I wouldn't put it past GW at this point, everything about this book is looking disappointing thus far besides the new models. Why couldn't they just give BT player some token relics and formation or two with Crusaders in it. Can't be asking too much, can't be too hard can it? Man now I know how Traitor legion players felt.

BT players can use Battle Company, so they shouldn't complain too much.

And if a BT player doesn't want to use Battle Company because it uses Tacticals instead of Crusaders? It literally doesn't make any sense for BT to use Gladius or Battle Company.

To be fair the new formation has a different name however I was wrong they literally just improved war convocation by default when they created a new relic list for ad mech since all upgrades are free in war convocation

I am guessing there will be a BT profiles in the book, since it is pretty odd that the WD lists units as Marshal and Sword Brethren, as one poster pointed out a while back.

Depends on what the relics are, but there are probably some good ones in there

The grand one probably makes Cawl mandatory though with extra benefits is what I'm guessing

Cawl seems pretty tasty anyway TBF.

Blows up land raiders, dismembers terminators, buffs vehicles in various ways and so forth.

 reds8n wrote:
Cawl seems pretty tasty anyway TBF.

Blows up land raiders, dismembers terminators, buffs vehicles in various ways and so forth.

Did his rules leak? I thought we had one slightly badly translated interpretation of one rule?

 ultimentra wrote:
gak, BT players have been asking for proper formations and they make them ally in Sisters for it now? Lots of Crusaders are not going to be happy.

Sister's have been asking for formations as well - the drek one in Imperial Agents is not exactly inspiring.

Personally I like Black Templars and Sisters so looking forward to it.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
I am guessing there will be a BT profiles in the book, since it is pretty odd that the WD lists units as Marshal and Sword Brethren, as one poster pointed out a while back.

Not necessarily.

Angels of Death uses fanciful names like that for stuff. Iron Hands, for example, get "Iron Guardians" as a selection in their Fist of Medusa Strike Force. It is a single Auxiliary selection of a Tactical Squad and any flavor of Dreadnought and "Honoured Ancients" as another, which is just a unit of Dreadnoughts of any flavor.

It could be that whatever this big Sisters+BT formation is has the unit "tabs" listed as Sword Brethren and Marshal.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Cawl seems pretty tasty anyway TBF.

Blows up land raiders, dismembers terminators, buffs vehicles in various ways and so forth.

Did his rules leak? I thought we had one slightly badly translated interpretation of one rule?

Yeah, do you know his rules? No one has posted his rules ANYWHERE as far as I've seen.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
Depends on what the relics are, but there are probably some good ones in there

The grand one probably makes Cawl mandatory though with extra benefits is what I'm guessing

The problem with most relics is they are overcosted for what they do. That hardly matters when they are free.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Cawl seems pretty tasty anyway TBF.

Blows up land raiders, dismembers terminators, buffs vehicles in various ways and so forth.

Did his rules leak? I thought we had one slightly badly translated interpretation of one rule?

He's in the battle report in Jan.'s issue of WD.

Inquisitor has access to telepathy school --and also has "Aura of Oppression"

Cawl uses a war hymn to give vehicles in 12" of him a 5++ save.

His solar atomiser glances and then destroys ( last Hull point possibly ? ) a land raider. Possibly aided by another hymn/canticle.

Saint seems to rally/aid morale of units. Some fleeing guard rally when she arrives by DS.
Looks like she can return from the dead still/again too.

5++ Is a bit of a let down, but I suppose giving a Knight a 5++ on all sides could certainly be worse.

If this new formation is more flexible than the WarConvo, I very well may use it. I'd love to use MORE Knights, and LESS Skitarii/Cult Mech.

5++ only for vehicles is pretty meh

Unless you ally him with a guard tank blob

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
5++ only for vehicles is pretty meh

Unless you ally him with a guard tank blob

Indeed. Most Admech vehicles have access to invulnerable saves anyway.

I'd imagine he can fix/repair them too , that's a fairly standard Ad mech type of ability no ?

Seems to have either IWND or maybe FNP or something too.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
5++ only for vehicles is pretty meh

Unless you ally him with a guard tank blob

Indeed. Most Admech vehicles have access to invulnerable saves anyway.

The only Admech vehicle does have access to an Invuln, and it is already a 5+ if you have two of them.

This seems best used with Knights.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
5++ only for vehicles is pretty meh

Unless you ally him with a guard tank blob

Indeed. Most Admech vehicles have access to invulnerable saves anyway.

The only Admech vehicle does have access to an Invuln, and it is already a 5+ if you have two of them.

This seems best used with Knights.

Admech vehicles are Dunecrawlers, Dragoons and Ballistarii. Dunecrawlers and Dragoons have invulnerable but Ballistarii do not. Hence "most".

Still makes his buff pretty much moot though imho, unless allied with a non-Admech force.

Ahhh but you guys are thinking in terms of only our current codex vehicles. Just think of the possibilities once we get the next Imperial Armour book. Krios Venators, Triarios, and the Explorator, and plus whatever we get in our next codex! That could be very interesting. Not to mention we don't know if he can use it on allied vehicles. Land Raider with an Invuln save? A Baneblade perhaps?

 ultimentra wrote:
Just watch guys, the formation will literally be a re-print of the War Convocation.

I'd be okay with that, with War Convocation only being in a White Dwarf, and not in any of the three codexes you needed to field it.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
5++ only for vehicles is pretty meh

Unless you ally him with a guard tank blob

Indeed. Most Admech vehicles have access to invulnerable saves anyway.

The only Admech vehicle does have access to an Invuln, and it is already a 5+ if you have two of them.

This seems best used with Knights.

Admech vehicles are Dunecrawlers, Dragoons and Ballistarii. Dunecrawlers and Dragoons have invulnerable but Ballistarii do not. Hence "most".

Still makes his buff pretty much moot though imho, unless allied with a non-Admech force.

Dragoons have a 5+ Cover Save, not an Invulnerable.

I REALLY hope Cawl has absolutely insane rules. IF he really is 400-ish points, as per one rumor I saw elsewhere, I would want him to be an incredible center-piece to build around... not a slightly fancier Magos.

Come on guys... he's 10k years old! :-p

 reds8n wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Cawl seems pretty tasty anyway TBF.

Blows up land raiders, dismembers terminators, buffs vehicles in various ways and so forth.

Did his rules leak? I thought we had one slightly badly translated interpretation of one rule?

He's in the battle report in Jan.'s issue of WD.

Inquisitor has access to telepathy school --and also has "Aura of Oppression"

Cawl uses a war hymn to give vehicles in 12" of him a 5++ save.

His solar atomiser glances and then destroys ( last Hull point possibly ? ) a land raider. Possibly aided by another hymn/canticle.

Saint seems to rally/aid morale of units. Some fleeing guard rally when she arrives by DS.
Looks like she can return from the dead still/again too.

Did they show him being able to join units? He's pretty big, but it didn't look like he's an MC or anything like that.

 Carnikang wrote:

 TheoreticalFish wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
power spike heels,

I know it's a shallow complaint, but I really really don't like those heels... Also seems out of place, Inquisitors have always come across to me as practical people, not ones who care about Fashion or anything

They probably have jump-jets or rockets hidden in them.

Or, like actual stilettos in them...

Iain.

Requizen wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Cawl seems pretty tasty anyway TBF.

Blows up land raiders, dismembers terminators, buffs vehicles in various ways and so forth.

Did his rules leak? I thought we had one slightly badly translated interpretation of one rule?

He's in the battle report in Jan.'s issue of WD.

Inquisitor has access to telepathy school --and also has "Aura of Oppression"

Cawl uses a war hymn to give vehicles in 12" of him a 5++ save.

His solar atomiser glances and then destroys ( last Hull point possibly ? ) a land raider. Possibly aided by another hymn/canticle.

Saint seems to rally/aid morale of units. Some fleeing guard rally when she arrives by DS.
Looks like she can return from the dead still/again too.

Did they show him being able to join units? He's pretty big, but it didn't look like he's an MC or anything like that.

He isn't. The first preview we had showed him to be Infantry(Character).

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
So, if anyone still cares, I managed to get back to the living and take some WD pics myself - my brother was to busy shooting rockets Most of the stuff was in the Atia blog post already, but meh, I can live without e-fame.


Imgur gallery: Grayfax is a biiiig girl

Thanks for the pics fella! Did not know she would be that tall.

Look at those glorious Templars.

POWER HIGH HEELS!

 Lockark wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Binabik15 wrote:
So, if anyone still cares, I managed to get back to the living and take some WD pics myself - my brother was to busy shooting rockets Most of the stuff was in the Atia blog post already, but meh, I can live without e-fame.


Imgur gallery: Grayfax is a biiiig girl

Thanks for the pics fella! Did not know she would be that tall.

Look at those glorious Templars.

POWER HIGH HEELS!

Her base is higher. She's not that tall.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Requizen wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
Cawl seems pretty tasty anyway TBF.

Blows up land raiders, dismembers terminators, buffs vehicles in various ways and so forth.

Did his rules leak? I thought we had one slightly badly translated interpretation of one rule?

He's in the battle report in Jan.'s issue of WD.

Inquisitor has access to telepathy school --and also has "Aura of Oppression"

Cawl uses a war hymn to give vehicles in 12" of him a 5++ save.

His solar atomiser glances and then destroys ( last Hull point possibly ? ) a land raider. Possibly aided by another hymn/canticle.

Saint seems to rally/aid morale of units. Some fleeing guard rally when she arrives by DS.
Looks like she can return from the dead still/again too.

Did they show him being able to join units? He's pretty big, but it didn't look like he's an MC or anything like that.

He isn't. The first preview we had showed him to be Infantry(Character).

He is going to be quite the meatshield being T6 and 5 wounds.

Eager to see what these new relics are

I've wanted a combined ad mech codex since the armies came out so I'm stoked about this. Never liked war convo so this sounds great.

 ultimentra wrote:

gungo wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Cult Mech, Skitarii and Knights pretty much sums up my current Admech army.

Cool

lol it's everyone's ad mech army because of war convocation
However there is pretty much no chance this or any formation will ever be better than war convocation without a serious screw up by GW.
But it's cool ad mech players have another fluffy non-ultra competitive formation.

Just watch guys, the formation will literally be a re-print of the War Convocation. I wouldn't put it past GW at this point, everything about this book is looking disappointing thus far besides the new models. Why couldn't they just give BT player some token relics and formation or two with Crusaders in it. Can't be asking too much, can't be too hard can it? Man now I know how Traitor legion players felt.

BT players can use Battle Company, so they shouldn't complain too much.

And if a BT player doesn't want to use Battle Company because it uses Tacticals instead of Crusaders? It literally doesn't make any sense for BT to use Gladius or Battle Company.

They're almost the same so no they shouldn't be complaining.
Yes Black Templar should've gotten a special detachment and relics too I agree, but how much different is the Tactical Marine and Crusader? Not by much.