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 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
It doesn't show off the bitter Tau and Ork players efforts however in other sectors!

the Tau in something like the 13th black crusade where a problem due to their limited range. I really wish GW'd retcon the stupid range issues their ships have and the stupidly small size of the tau empire

Last time around there was suspicious logging of victories, which threw the results into question.

Plus, when you've got thousands of game results to take into account, you're more likely to end up with an even split of victories, which doesn't make for the most exciting of narratives.

Here it seems they're making the outcome a pre-set narrative, which allows for far more interesting outcomes.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Last time around there was suspicious logging of victories, which threw the results into question.

Plus, when you've got thousands of game results to take into account, you're more likely to end up with an even split of victories, which doesn't make for the most exciting of narratives.

Both of these are invalid reasons which I addressed in my campaign writeup and compilation.

Specifically, Andy Chambers wrote in the WD article that the campaign mechanics were designed to prevent an even numbers stalemate like Armageddon 3, or a guaranteed victory by the side that had more players (i.e. the Imperium). The existence of the campaign threshold cascade effect enabled focused placement of results and the more organized side to win even if outnumbered in raw number of posted wins. And that is precisely what happened when the more organized Forces of Disorder beat the Forces of Order, as admitted to by Andy Chambers himself in the campaign wrap-up article.

Seriously it is only with the Eye of Terror campaign (which is the only campaign where the Imperium LOST) that there are suddenly all these attempts to cast doubt on the results. Every other worldwide campaign (which were all Imperial victories) have none of these conspiracy theories or outright denialists.

*considers that, looks at the new take*

So you're hacked off that Cadia fell in the first attempt, and now....Cadia is confirmed to fall as the opening chapter. Also, if memory serves, other than Eldrad getting a very special Slaaneshi Cuddle, nobody actually snuffed it during The Eye of Terror?

Genuine apologies if I'm sounding rude but....what exactly is the beef with that? How is it any different?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
*considers that, looks at the new take*

So you're hacked off that Cadia fell in the first attempt, and now....Cadia is confirmed to fall as the opening chapter. Also, if memory serves, other than Eldrad getting a very special Slaaneshi Cuddle, nobody actually snuffed it during The Eye of Terror?

Genuine apologies if I'm sounding rude but....what exactly is the beef with that? How is it any different?

No, I'm annoyed that 14 years after the fact there are still people in general out there (not directed specifically at Mad Doc Grotsnik) trying to cast doubt on the results, implying the other side was cheating, or trying to spin the results. That is poor sportsmanship. If a player loses a 40K game, roll with it, congratulate the other side and try again next time. If a faction loses a worldwide campaign, roll with it and accept the results and try again. The fact that there is only ever this kind of spin and denialism with the one campaign where the Imperium lost really does make Imperial players out to be sore losers. There was no such fuss in campaigns before the Eye of Terror or in the Medusa V campaign after it.The griping of Eldar players I understand since they were the only faction out of the Forces of Order that accomplished their objectives in the Eye of Terror campaign yet were "rewarded" with Eldrad being killed off.

My earlier statement with regards to GW was after 13 years of chickening out of doing anything with the Eye of Terror campaign results, they implement the Fall of Cadia but it sounds like the Cadians are pretty much backdrop redshirt cannon fodder on their own world, and whoever wrote the Blackstone Fortress stuff clearly didn't even bother to check BFG else they would immediately see that activated Blackstone Fortresses have no shields to drop in the first place. GW could have integrated some more of what happened in the Eye of Terror campaign into the new stuff. There was hardly any need for GW to avoid implementing the Eye of Terror campaign results in the first place since it seems the final endpoint is similar or even worse for Cadia.

Iracundus wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Last time around there was suspicious logging of victories, which threw the results into question.

Plus, when you've got thousands of game results to take into account, you're more likely to end up with an even split of victories, which doesn't make for the most exciting of narratives.

Both of these are invalid reasons which I addressed in my campaign writeup and compilation.

Specifically, Andy Chambers wrote in the WD article that the campaign mechanics were designed to prevent an even numbers stalemate like Armageddon 3, or a guaranteed victory by the side that had more players (i.e. the Imperium). The existence of the campaign threshold cascade effect enabled focused placement of results and the more organized side to win even if outnumbered in raw number of posted wins. And that is precisely what happened when the more organized Forces of Disorder beat the Forces of Order, as admitted to by Andy Chambers himself in the campaign wrap-up article.

Seriously it is only with the Eye of Terror campaign (which is the only campaign where the Imperium LOST) that there are suddenly all these attempts to cast doubt on the results. Every other worldwide campaign (which were all Imperial victories) have none of these conspiracy theories or outright denialists.

Somewhat tangential, but does anyone else find it ironic that the Forces of Disorder were more organized than the Forces of Order?

So in essence what is happening is the continuation of the 13th Black Crusade rather than a retcon or redo. Everything is a bit sketchy and deliberately vague so that the 40K cosmos can move forward with little or no modifications. After all GW has included civilization beyond the astronomican reach , the knight worlds, and acknowledged the grander scope of the universe. Looks like good fun to me.

Sudden thought - why are there no Grey Knights at Cadia? Didn't anyone consult the Imperial Tarot to see if they needed to be there?

 Stormonu wrote:
Sudden thought - why are there no Grey Knights at Cadia? Didn't anyone consult the Imperial Tarot to see if they needed to be there?

Good thought! My theories:

1. They did consult the Tarot and got no answer.
2. They did consult the Tarot and the Emperor didn't reveal anything because he's tired of being used as a lighthouse and wants to die.
3. They did consult the Tarot and it revealed that Cadia must fall for Chaos to be stopped.
A. The cost to stop Chaos on Cadia would have been to great and left the Imperium more vulnerable then if Cadia was allowed to fall.

5. The Emp will soon be ready to fight Siege of Terra round two on his home turf and is pulling a 'Horus' by dropping his shields and letting his opponent come to him.

So GW regained Control now and we get some c-Movie ?

"dramatis personae"...
Really?
Sounds like we are going super-hero-hammer ...

Everyone who thinks to "deserve" to win, please come back when the disappointment is back in town.

I for one, don't trust stories where things like the IG are made irrelevant.

If the Pylons are Necron property, just wait for them to be ready to rumble. The main issue with expanding the warp is that only chaos wants it. General dogpile incoming in 3 - 2 - 1 ...

The dramatis thing was in the cover of the two fenris books as well.

 n0t_u wrote:
The dramatis thing was in the cover of the two fenris books as well.

As well as plenty horus heresy books.

Sure.
Like BL-Books.
Like any Movie.

But the focus is on these personae, then.