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Nvs wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I dislike that Dark Eldar don't have psykers.

I know it's part of the fluff, I just kinda wish they were super powerful psychic users like craftworld Eldar.

Out of curiosity...

Why aren't they?

Best guess?

1.) Using psychic powers requires a very strict training regime and Dark Eldar society really doesn't have that kind of structure outside of the Incubi temples and Haemonculi covens.
2.) The idea that using psychic powers taps into the warp and the practitioner would be a beacon to Slaanesh, something the Dark Eldar try to hide from within the webway.
3.) Back in the day, psychic powers really weren't that developed rules wise so to make Eldar and Dark Eldar different, Dark Eldar had haemonculi and combat drugs to kind of offer similar elements that psychic powers offered at the time.

While I do agree with Brutus Apex that it would have been nice if Dark Eldar had something to do with the psychic phase, my larger gripe from a background perspective is the whole medical vat regeneration stuff. I never much enjoyed the idea of some Archon having a retinue for the sole purpose of finding a leftover finger or toe after he took a melta to the face so he could be regenerated at home. I much prefer my Dark Eldar being space vampires that consume enemy souls to remain youthful and become increasingly strong the more they consume in combat.

I actually wanted you to tell me what the actual explanation is.

What is it with Dakka treating their guesses about the lore as actual lore?

 Pouncey wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 kingbobbito wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:
I wonder how Dark Angels manage to not tear their robes every time they move a limb beyond what the robe can take.

Clearly ceramite-hardened space-spandex. They've obviously found a better alternative to cotton by the year 40,000.

I know what "ceramite" is in 40k lore...

Are you saying that they're making their robes out of power armor material?

How else could you make such good looking robes so durable? It's a high poly blend with ceramite fibers weaved throughout to create a material that's flexible and soft to the touch but that won't get torn up or easily caught on fire. Highly resistant to stains as well, heretic blood washes right out.

Is ceramite that flexible? I thought it was very rigid.

I can't say for certain as all of that was headcanon, I don't know of any book that gives the distinct chemical makeup of ceramite (although it might be out there, not that a fictional compound's chemical makeup can be used to prove anything). Assuming use of polymers, carbon fibers, some sort of flexible ceramite nanofilaments, perhaps a chemical wash in some sort of sealant.... it's 40k, just about anything is possible. I mean honestly, it could just be that the emperor likes nice robes too so he's placed his protection on them.


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Nvs wrote:
I much prefer my Dark Eldar being space vampires that consume enemy souls to remain youthful and become increasingly strong the more they consume in combat.

But we already have space vampires in the form of blood angels, we can't have someone else muscle in on their turf.

 Pouncey wrote:

Nvs wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I dislike that Dark Eldar don't have psykers.

I know it's part of the fluff, I just kinda wish they were super powerful psychic users like craftworld Eldar.

Out of curiosity...

Why aren't they?

Best guess?

1.) Using psychic powers requires a very strict training regime and Dark Eldar society really doesn't have that kind of structure outside of the Incubi temples and Haemonculi covens.
2.) The idea that using psychic powers taps into the warp and the practitioner would be a beacon to Slaanesh, something the Dark Eldar try to hide from within the webway.
3.) Back in the day, psychic powers really weren't that developed rules wise so to make Eldar and Dark Eldar different, Dark Eldar had haemonculi and combat drugs to kind of offer similar elements that psychic powers offered at the time.

While I do agree with Brutus Apex that it would have been nice if Dark Eldar had something to do with the psychic phase, my larger gripe from a background perspective is the whole medical vat regeneration stuff. I never much enjoyed the idea of some Archon having a retinue for the sole purpose of finding a leftover finger or toe after he took a melta to the face so he could be regenerated at home. I much prefer my Dark Eldar being space vampires that consume enemy souls to remain youthful and become increasingly strong the more they consume in combat.

I actually wanted you to tell me what the actual explanation is.

What is it with Dakka treating their guesses about the lore as actual lore?

The first 2 are the background based reasons.

The 3rd is the likely real reason.

Nvs wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

Nvs wrote:

 Pouncey wrote:

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
I dislike that Dark Eldar don't have psykers.

I know it's part of the fluff, I just kinda wish they were super powerful psychic users like craftworld Eldar.

Out of curiosity...

Why aren't they?

Best guess?

1.) Using psychic powers requires a very strict training regime and Dark Eldar society really doesn't have that kind of structure outside of the Incubi temples and Haemonculi covens.
2.) The idea that using psychic powers taps into the warp and the practitioner would be a beacon to Slaanesh, something the Dark Eldar try to hide from within the webway.
3.) Back in the day, psychic powers really weren't that developed rules wise so to make Eldar and Dark Eldar different, Dark Eldar had haemonculi and combat drugs to kind of offer similar elements that psychic powers offered at the time.

While I do agree with Brutus Apex that it would have been nice if Dark Eldar had something to do with the psychic phase, my larger gripe from a background perspective is the whole medical vat regeneration stuff. I never much enjoyed the idea of some Archon having a retinue for the sole purpose of finding a leftover finger or toe after he took a melta to the face so he could be regenerated at home. I much prefer my Dark Eldar being space vampires that consume enemy souls to remain youthful and become increasingly strong the more they consume in combat.

I actually wanted you to tell me what the actual explanation is.

What is it with Dakka treating their guesses about the lore as actual lore?

The first 2 are the background based reasons.

The 3rd is the likely real reason.

1 seems self-defeating since it includes a mention of two parts of Dark Eldar society that could easily be psykers if they wanted to.
2 never stopped Craftworld Eldar.
3 wouldn't stop them from adding Dark Eldar psykers later on.

My least favorite thing about my army is how it makes people on the internet assume things about me (like that I have no friends to play the game with) which simply aren't true in real life.

Out of curiosity...

Why aren't they?

I'm not entirely sure what you are asking.

Nvs nailed the reasons for why they aren't psykers according to the fluff. Although I will say I do get a strong Vampire vibe from the DE as well as the obvious Vampire Blood Angel theme. Both of which I enjoy. And I actually don't mind the test tube baby Dark Eldar thing. It's kinda cool, and no one else in the universe has that kind of fluff as far as I know. Leaving the natural birth to the aristocratic members of the society is pretty cool.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I run Space Wolves.
I hate the naming system that forces me to make explainations like "No, that is a Wolf A, not a Wolf B, C or D like the ones I was just rolling for" and half the time my opponent is just trolling anyway, but the other half who legitimately get confused means I have to take the bait. This next whinge is more a personal issue but it also sucks when my opponent asks how I remember all these Wolfy names but still forgot my Psychic phase.

I also run Nids, I like the way the Hive Mind works, kind of makes me think ants nest.
What I do hate is trying to find storage and transport systems that don't break off all my Nid's spikey bits.
It also rankles that there are MCs far better than anything in the Tyranids' codex.
I got my Tyranids because they were the Big Scary Stompy Army, what do you mean other armies that can spam Bigger, Scarier and Stompier!!? I don't mind other armies having better stuff than the Nids do, I got my Nids to encourage new players, not to win matches - I hate that the better stuff some armies have are Monstrous Creatures - but, but...but that was my schtick!

The ONLY army that should match and sometimes outclass your MCs are daemons. Tau, Eldar, and GKs should have their battle suits that are suits of armor actually count as vehicles. They're glorified dreadnaughts. Either make them like dreadnaughts or make all walkers MCs. Simple.
But I digress. Yeah, your Nids should be big and epic. My Daemon lords should be big and epic. No other false MCs should.

Fair call, it's a Daemon schtick too.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I run Space Wolves.
I hate the naming system that forces me to make explainations like "No, that is a Wolf A, not a Wolf B, C or D like the ones I was just rolling for" and half the time my opponent is just trolling anyway, but the other half who legitimately get confused means I have to take the bait. This next whinge is more a personal issue but it also sucks when my opponent asks how I remember all these Wolfy names but still forgot my Psychic phase.

I also run Nids, I like the way the Hive Mind works, kind of makes me think ants nest.
What I do hate is trying to find storage and transport systems that don't break off all my Nid's spikey bits.
It also rankles that there are MCs far better than anything in the Tyranids' codex.
I got my Tyranids because they were the Big Scary Stompy Army, what do you mean other armies that can spam Bigger, Scarier and Stompier!!? I don't mind other armies having better stuff than the Nids do, I got my Nids to encourage new players, not to win matches - I hate that the better stuff some armies have are Monstrous Creatures - but, but...but that was my schtick!

The ONLY army that should match and sometimes outclass your MCs are daemons. Tau, Eldar, and GKs should have their battle suits that are suits of armor actually count as vehicles. They're glorified dreadnaughts. Either make them like dreadnaughts or make all walkers MCs. Simple.
But I digress. Yeah, your Nids should be big and epic. My Daemon lords should be big and epic. No other false MCs should.

Fair call, it's a Daemon schtick too.

Nah. F*** the Dreadknight. Give me a dude on the ground fighting a Daemon with visual allusions to Gandalf and the Warrior-Priest from the Mark of Chaos trailer.

The least favorite thing about my favorite army? It would have to be that Terminators are a joke in the game. Why can't we have 2 wounds to make the unit more survivable? I love terminators and I have always love the lore, too bad it's just a mediocre unit that barely any Space Marine players use. I use them regardless crap or good in my armies most of the time.

My favourite army is Tyranids.

What I dislike most about them is that Space Marine players seem to think I am actually a Games Master running a bunch of NPCs.

They expect to win in assault. They expect to win the shooting game. And they see the Hive Mind rules as ridiculous.

The 7th Edition Dark Eldar codex in general.

None of them are Marines. They're therefore unlikely to receive any new rules or models for a long time, and when they do it'll be a half-assed slapdash sideshow to the latest Marines release.

In the grim darkness of the far future there is only MEQ.

Lack of Pariahs. For a race that fought and defeated the Old Ones, the Necrons inexplicably have no tabletop way to shut down psykers.

Random C'tan powers, just no. This hurts both the C'tan shards and the Tesseract Vault.

Lack of a "punchy" SHV/GMC. Necron Super heavies are pretty much only good against light vehicles, and the Transcendant C'tan is now just a regular MC.

Some weapon variety wouldn't go amiss either, Necrons don't really show their technological superiority on the tabletop.

 BBAP wrote:
None of them are Marines. They're therefore unlikely to receive any new rules or models for a long time, and when they do it'll be a half-assed slapdash sideshow to the latest Marines release.

In the grim darkness of the far future there is only MEQ.

You make an excellent case for playing a different game with an entirely different IP.

Not long ago I would have said lack of legion rules

Now it's just the old kits. There are a lot of kits I love like the basic CSM squad, terminators, raptors, termie lord, the classic vehicles are fine (not the dinobots) and the spawn kit looks like a lot of fun to work with. But it would be great to get a havoc kit with the kind of options the loyalist devastators get (the SM devs kit is amazing) and our bikes could do with a new kit. I suppose it isn't difficult to customise the chaos marines on the bikes but a proper bikers box with special weapons and a more current aesthetic would be nice

A plastic chaos lord/sorcerer in power armour similar to the terminator lord/sorcerer kit would be brilliant, but given there are so many lord and sorcerer models out there it isn't too important. A proper bike lord kit is probably more important

For the Orks the thing I hate is how GW seems to think Orks are designed to fail. The RNG tables, the garbage leadership, lack of saves, and lack of killing power all make Orks feel like they are meant to be punching bags instead of a real threat a lot of the time. I wish GW would learn from Relic's interpretation of the Orks because DoW/Space Marine Orks are badasses while also being incredibly colorful, silly, comical, and yet still absolutely brutal at the same time.

For the Tau its the zogging super suits that I feel ruin the whole "combined arms" and "work together to overcome weaknesses" motif that the Tau had going for them. I love Fire Warriors, Crisis Suits, Pathfinders, Hammerheads, and Broadsides because of how each unit plays, what role they serve in the army, and how they all work better when supported by other units and how they support each other. Then there is the Riptide which does the job of basically everything while also being very durable which comes across as just lazy. The Stormsurge + plus all the Forge World gak continues the trend of mecha suits that are bigger and more powerful but ignore the Tau's roots of being combined arms.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I run Space Wolves.
I hate the naming system that forces me to make explainations like "No, that is a Wolf A, not a Wolf B, C or D like the ones I was just rolling for" and half the time my opponent is just trolling anyway, but the other half who legitimately get confused means I have to take the bait. This next whinge is more a personal issue but it also sucks when my opponent asks how I remember all these Wolfy names but still forgot my Psychic phase.

I also run Nids, I like the way the Hive Mind works, kind of makes me think ants nest.
What I do hate is trying to find storage and transport systems that don't break off all my Nid's spikey bits.
It also rankles that there are MCs far better than anything in the Tyranids' codex.
I got my Tyranids because they were the Big Scary Stompy Army, what do you mean other armies that can spam Bigger, Scarier and Stompier!!? I don't mind other armies having better stuff than the Nids do, I got my Nids to encourage new players, not to win matches - I hate that the better stuff some armies have are Monstrous Creatures - but, but...but that was my schtick!

The ONLY army that should match and sometimes outclass your MCs are daemons. Tau, Eldar, and GKs should have their battle suits that are suits of armor actually count as vehicles. They're glorified dreadnaughts. Either make them like dreadnaughts or make all walkers MCs. Simple.
But I digress. Yeah, your Nids should be big and epic. My Daemon lords should be big and epic. No other false MCs should.

Fair call, it's a Daemon schtick too.

Nah. F*** the Dreadknight. Give me a dude on the ground fighting a Daemon with visual allusions to Gandalf and the Warrior-Priest from the Mark of Chaos trailer.

I'm struggling to follow you here. Are you a Grey Knight player?

I would show pictures but for some reason I cant. I cant seem to ever link anything to the SD card.
I'll find out how to upload pics oneday

 Vankraken wrote:
For the Orks the thing I hate is how GW seems to think Orks are designed to fail. The RNG tables, the garbage leadership, lack of saves, and lack of killing power all make Orks feel like they are meant to be punching bags instead of a real threat a lot of the time. I wish GW would learn from Relic's interpretation of the Orks because DoW/Space Marine Orks are badasses while also being incredibly colorful, silly, comical, and yet still absolutely brutal at the same time.

For the Tau its the zogging super suits that I feel ruin the whole "combined arms" and "work together to overcome weaknesses" motif that the Tau had going for them. I love Fire Warriors, Crisis Suits, Pathfinders, Hammerheads, and Broadsides because of how each unit plays, what role they serve in the army, and how they all work better when supported by other units and how they support each other. Then there is the Riptide which does the job of basically everything while also being very durable which comes across as just lazy. The Stormsurge + plus all the Forge World gak continues the trend of mecha suits that are bigger and more powerful but ignore the Tau's roots of being combined arms.

While I do agree I don't think the problem at its core is necessarily the riptide. Now am I saying the riptide is fine? Nope but what I am saying is look at how easy access other armies have to strength 8 ap 3+ its ji wonder the riptide and storm surges get used more than crisis suits

Dark Angels: Deathwing is by far the coolest thing in the entire codex and at the same time completely unplayable trash. Also, no matter the odds, I always lose at least 2-3 Black Knights out of 16 or so to Gets Hot! in the first turns. None of the named characters outside of Sammael are worth even looking at and even Sammy's speeder is complete and utter trash. Thank the Emperor for the last functioning jetbike.

Admech: No transports whatsoever, Electro-Priests of both sorts are so bad that it makes me almost vomit.

Necrons: Having started playing Necrons in 2nd edition I was (and still am) more than a bit upset about the new(er) fluff. I liked having my army of soulless death-machines be slaves to ageless, incomprehensible evils that are more like a force of nature than anything else. Now those same C'tan are kept in Poké-balls.

Assassins: I've never made it into combat with an Eversor.

Deathwatch: Nobody seems to play them so its quite hard to get information about anything regarding them.
Also: Forgeworld doesnt bother making anything usable for Deathwatch only armys.

CSM, enough with the "randumb".

Also, Champion of Chaos. You are telling me that a self centred, treacherous, out to save his own neck Aspiring Champion is willingly going to challenge Brother Captain Smashfether instead of hurling one of his squad mates at him and legging it? And no, Look out Sir! doesn't justify this scenario for the same reason, his squad mates want to take his place not sacrifice themselves in favour of a promotion.

Yeah, chaos is a mess. It seems GW took chaos a little too literally, and thought it meant random bs.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I'm struggling to follow you here. Are you a Grey Knight player?

Probably.

The Dreadknight has not been popular whatsoever. I believe the usual disparaging reference is to a baby-carrier.

 Pouncey wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
I'm struggling to follow you here. Are you a Grey Knight player?

Probably.

The Dreadknight has not been popular whatsoever. I believe the usual disparaging reference is to a baby-carrier.

Thanks Pouncey.

Yeah. The Dreadknight was designed so terribly that it's as if the sculptor had bad burritos the night before, dropped trou and poo-blasted a wall, then sculpted what he saw in the fecal-based Rorschach's test.

...if I'd eaten anything in the last two hours I think I'd be struggling to keep it down after that image.
Very graphic, do you write often?

Alpha Legion marines (30k)

Lack of any good fluff (in any time period, 30 or 40k). It's hard to be enthusiastic when your force loses as much as Cobra Commander while having little to no back story or development.

The dreadknight is the result of an modeler in training who gained inspiration from the Xbizit Pimp My Ride meme.

"You dawg, I heard you like power armor. So I put power armor in your power armor so you can crusade while you crusade."

The same modeler, or perhaps a kindred spirit, would go on to design the centurion. Which is also a ridiculous design.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
...if I'd eaten anything in the last two hours I think I'd be struggling to keep it down after that image.
Very graphic, do you write often?

Actually, I was an English major in college with a masters degree in education.


Also...you'll be okay. Have a Tums.