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review copy came. Post something in next week's episode 181 podcast. It's a nice box. GW has pretty much said everything already. If you need these models, enjoy the nice discount
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Stupid question. What came first? These Dark Eldar bike thingies or the Green Goblin glider from the Spiderman movie? Who ripped of whom?
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
I believe his point was that the Spider-Man comics are obviously a lot older and the Green Goblin has always had a skyboard. It wasn't new in the film.
I believe his point was that the Spider-Man comics are obviously a lot older and the Green Goblin has always had a skyboard. It wasn't new in the film.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner
We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Grot 6 wrote: Here are some sources for some more Dark Eldar terrain. That garbage that they have with the game looks like simple card stock, that really needs real spire terrain...
I'm really interested in getting these guys up off the ground.
It all looks like it's based on Dawn of War: Soulstorm and the problem is Dark Eldar have had such a massive facelift since then that it just doesn't look right with current models.
I believe his point was that the Spider-Man comics are obviously a lot older and the Green Goblin has always had a skyboard. It wasn't new in the film.
Ding ding ding. We have a winner
My brain hurts so much from the level of "DERRRRRRPPPPP" you two just had to deal with and explain. Sorry guys. The internet failed you.
Reality is a nice place to visit, but I'd hate to live there.
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This has started to grab my attention lately, not so much to expand or start a DE force. But as a stand alone beer and pretzels game. Is there much of an indication that the game itself is any good/decent replayability? I got the hang of star wars X wing pretty well and I hear this is somewhat similar. As much as I like Star Wars, a game like that set in 40k with DE is much more interesting.
I finally bought it, and must admit that I'm really impressed with the rules. If they would have developped them a bit more, I think it would have been a real classic. WOuld be great if they eventually release an advanced ruleset (doubt it though)
lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
Given how even Lost Patrol has gotten a couple updates I'm confident this will get some attention too.
Between this and Gathering Storm I'm actually hoping to find a disgruntled DE player who wants to trade for a crapload of WMH.
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
I think my only gripe with the rules, having played it a few times, is that they did the GW thing where they tied a totally unrelated game's rules to the rules of a different game.
You want to use these cool upgrade bits for your gangs of comorragh gang? well, you can't, because the Warhammer 40,000 rules says ONLY the Arena Champion or Heliarch gets to have cool gear.
The Arena Champion can take a power sword, and it's not included in either the Helion or Reaver kit? That's fine, our players are resourceful, maybe they have other bits, we'll show some cool conversions, and most importantly: The Arena Champion can take a power sword in the Warhammer 40,000 rules.
What? Include rules for the Reavers to take Stun Claws? Make rules for the Wych weapons, including the cool chain flails we converted a model to be holding in the GoC rulebook? Let Helions take Power Swords, or Blast Pistols, or Venom Blades?
But that doesn't exist in the 7th edition rules of this unrelated game system, we can't do that!
C'mon GW. Admit to yourself that nobody has used a Helion in 40k since 5th edition dropped and they were trash. Don't tie your rules for this much cooler game system where they're interesting and flavorful to the horrible rules they're shackled to in 40k.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
Does anyone have some idea when thiss'll be available again? I want to order somestuff from the UK and this might be a major hold-up. The fact that it's barely more expensive as an import than the regiment boxes of old makes it really tempting to get it this way, though, even if the actual saving (13€) is not that much money in the end. I need those faceless helmets!
(It's pretty much what I overpaid on a SC domestically compared to the UK, though,and that STILL hasn't shipped, stupid AK Interactive paints holding my order up)
Looking for a Skaven Doomwheel banner to repair my Nurgle knights.
Eldarain wrote: Given how even Lost Patrol has gotten a couple updates I'm confident this will get some attention too.
Between this and Gathering Storm I'm actually hoping to find a disgruntled DE player who wants to trade for a crapload of WMH.
I'm not talking about some gakky 2-pages rules supplement in WD (they'll be some in next WD for using Harlequin in GOC BTW). I'm talking about a real advanced rulebook.
lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
the_scotsman wrote: I think my only gripe with the rules, having played it a few times, is that they did the GW thing where they tied a totally unrelated game's rules to the rules of a different game.
You want to use these cool upgrade bits for your gangs of comorragh gang? well, you can't, because the Warhammer 40,000 rules says ONLY the Arena Champion or Heliarch gets to have cool gear.
The Arena Champion can take a power sword, and it's not included in either the Helion or Reaver kit? That's fine, our players are resourceful, maybe they have other bits, we'll show some cool conversions, and most importantly: The Arena Champion can take a power sword in the Warhammer 40,000 rules.
What? Include rules for the Reavers to take Stun Claws? Make rules for the Wych weapons, including the cool chain flails we converted a model to be holding in the GoC rulebook? Let Helions take Power Swords, or Blast Pistols, or Venom Blades?
But that doesn't exist in the 7th edition rules of this unrelated game system, we can't do that!
I love this idea that 40k is a "completely unrelated game system". Wouldn't it be more annoying if you built up your gangs, then tried to add them to a 40k army and found you couldn't without proxying because the rules let you give them all weird upgrades?
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streetsamurai wrote: I'm not talking about some gakky 2-pages rules supplement in WD (they'll be some in next WD for using Harlequin in GOC BTW). I'm talking about a real advanced rulebook.
Got to love a realistic ambition. "Hey, they gave us the kind of thing we like, after years of swearing they wouldn't, but personally I'm bent out of shape because the execution is only OK instead of mindblowing".
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the_scotsman wrote: I think my only gripe with the rules, having played it a few times, is that they did the GW thing where they tied a totally unrelated game's rules to the rules of a different game.
You want to use these cool upgrade bits for your gangs of comorragh gang? well, you can't, because the Warhammer 40,000 rules says ONLY the Arena Champion or Heliarch gets to have cool gear.
The Arena Champion can take a power sword, and it's not included in either the Helion or Reaver kit? That's fine, our players are resourceful, maybe they have other bits, we'll show some cool conversions, and most importantly: The Arena Champion can take a power sword in the Warhammer 40,000 rules.
What? Include rules for the Reavers to take Stun Claws? Make rules for the Wych weapons, including the cool chain flails we converted a model to be holding in the GoC rulebook? Let Helions take Power Swords, or Blast Pistols, or Venom Blades?
But that doesn't exist in the 7th edition rules of this unrelated game system, we can't do that!
I love this idea that 40k is a "completely unrelated game system". Wouldn't it be more annoying if you built up your gangs, then tried to add them to a 40k army and found you couldn't without proxying because the rules let you give them all weird upgrades?
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streetsamurai wrote: I'm not talking about some gakky 2-pages rules supplement in WD (they'll be some in next WD for using Harlequin in GOC BTW). I'm talking about a real advanced rulebook.
Got to love a realistic ambition. "Hey, they gave us the kind of thing we like, after years of swearing they wouldn't, but personally I'm bent out of shape because the execution is only OK instead of mindblowing".
More like "imagine if you tried to add them to 40k, and had to pay 13ppm for T3 5+SV jump infantry with 1 S4 attack". If you're playing Hellions in any kind of situation where someone might give a flying fart about them being WYSIWYG, you're doing it wrong. GoC likely got made because the gorgeous Hellion kit had rock-bottom sales numbers because of how horrendous they are in 40k. Add in the fact that Reaver Jetbikes are, by default, not WYSIWYG (they're supposed to have a pistol and CCW, the models only come with one or the other), and this argument is kind of pointless for the only unit that might care about being WYSIWYG. Any weapon you convert onto him, you just say "That's his CCW, the rules say he's supposed to have one."
40k is an unrelated game to Gangs of Comorragh, just like Gorkamorka, Deathwatch Overkill, and Necromunda are. The way you can tell is, none of them require the 40kBRB to play, and all of them have systems that are completely different from 40k. And the reason, say, Necromunda is a better and deeper game system than GoC is that when designing it, GW wasn't particularly concerned with making sure all the upgrades aligned with what the rules of 40k let the units take, they designed it as its own game system.
I don't care that much, as myself and the folks I've been playing it with have already added rules for Scourges, Raiders and Venoms in the game as well as all the wych weapons, because it's a fun appealing base game that's really quite easy to houserule.
"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"
"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"
"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"
You and I have wildly different definitions of the word "unrelated", clearly. But you know, your personal gaming values are apparently all that matters - WYSIWYG does not matter but WAAC does, etc. Anything else is "doing it wrong". Sort of makes it impossible to discuss with you, not to mention very very unappealing.
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I love this idea that 40k is a "completely unrelated game system". Wouldn't it be more annoying if you built up your gangs, then tried to add them to a 40k army and found you couldn't without proxying because the rules let you give them all weird upgrades?
Sounds like a mythical timmy.. the player that has NO idea what 40k is and somehow stumbles upon this board game as the only thing he buys? If you're at a real game store you won't buy this because it requires too much assembly to be a "board game" nor does it compare in terms of rules quality to superior board games and if you're a new player then you'll probably be guided to buy actual 40k products.
The people that bought this SEEM to be those that already know 40k Dark Eldar, thus they won't surprised if their wargear options don't transfer over 1:1.
MORE OPTIONS is better as it allows you to create better games and let your players decide what to do.
Honestly I don't know why people are saying this is such an amazing deal. 6 reavers are 80$, this is 60$ and sure you can say "but you get Hellions too" yet who cares about those? It's like going on ebay and saying "Wow this dude is selling 1000$ of Pyrovores for 100$.. that's a 90% SAVINGS". When in reality it's a loss of 100$ because you just bought useless pyrovores.
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