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Thanks for the info. Has CB shown a render? I'd be curious to see how suitable it was for a crabbot proxy. The Danavas would be a fine Naga hacker proxy for my ASA.

No they haven't shown the Karkata yet.

I'm finding that to be a super weird dual blister. The Tech Bee and Crabbot made sense. The Tech Bee gives Engineers and Crabbots bonuses to WIP rolls - they're basically WIP upgrades that are on the table, And while it's annoying if you want multiple Tech Bees that you get multiple Crabbots, Pan Oceania can field multiple TAGs, so you might have a situation where you want more than one Crabbot.

The Danavas, from what they've said, it just a normal new hacker unit for OSS. If it's higher than AVA 1, then you're going to wind up buying multiple Karkatas well, and the Marut is AVA 1, so you'll never be in a situation to want multiple Karkata.

If the Danavas is more than AVA 1, this is an example of a dual blister done entirely wrong. If even if it is AVA 1, it's still a super weird dual blister.

 Red Harvest wrote:
Bagh Mari HMG

Finally! Not super keen on the pose but at least they're updating the model.

Loki wrote:The Tech Bee and Crabbot made sense. The Tech Bee gives Engineers and Crabbots bonuses to WIP rolls - they're basically WIP upgrades that are on the table, And while it's annoying if you want multiple Tech Bees that you get multiple Crabbots, Pan Oceania can field multiple TAGs, so you might have a situation where you want more than one Crabbot.

Tech Bee is AVA 1. Although we have higher number of TAGs, it's very unlikely you're going to field more than one, neither have I seen any increase interest for them after the update. Either way, there should be a marker for REM pilots so there's very little need to buy another blister.

Here, the Infinity official Twitter account confirms Aristeia will contain miniatures:
https://twitter.com/InfinityTheGame/status/860465183835258881

Not a huge surprise to be honest, but nice to see it confirmed.

Yeah there was no way this thing was releasing without gorgeous miniatures to go with it.

I assume they will be outsourcing to have them made in the usual plastic/PVC we see a lot of these days. I'm not sure how well that will work out for minis of infinity's scale though.

Major Lunah's Profile is out

That's rather nice profile to play with. I hope others get something cool too, when the expansion hits.

 Knight wrote:
That's rather nice profile to play with. I hope others get something cool too, when the expansion hits.

Too bad the only people who get to use it are Imperial Service and Yu Jing players.

Not a typo. She's only available to vanilla Yu Jing and Imperial Service.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Too bad the only people who get to use it are Imperial Service and Yu Jing players.

Not a typo. She's only available to vanilla Yu Jing and Imperial Service.

I know, they've hinted this in the recent article. PanO gets Tech Bee as part of the "exciting preview". Someone really needs to start supporting PanO colours in the CB design team.

 Knight wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Too bad the only people who get to use it are Imperial Service and Yu Jing players.

Not a typo. She's only available to vanilla Yu Jing and Imperial Service.

I know, they've hinted this in the recent article. PanO gets Tech Bee as part of the "exciting preview". Someone really needs to start supporting PanO colours in the CB design team.

It won't happen.

Remember that Infinity started out as a setting for a pen & paper RPG. PanOceania was one of the "bad guy" factions for it.

I didn't know that!

Of course PanO is probably my favorite faction too - d'oh!

It's certainly been entertaining watching the evolution of the reaction to Major Lunah.

Render gets shown, we're told she's a mercenary, probably in ISS.

"What the feth CB. A visor? Another MSV camo sniper mercenary? After we just got Knauf. Seriously CB you suck and your company is going to go under because of this model it's useless stupid garbage."

Sees her profile and that she's Yu Jing and ISS only.

"What the feth CB? She's awesome. I want to use her and you're not letting me it's stupid to make her Yu Jing and ISS only I hate you your company is going to go under because of this."

Okay I was slightly exaggerating some of that. But really, it's been a hilarious about face. I'm seeing it all over facebook from the same people that said she'd be a useless MSV camo merc sniper.

Don't want it until they can't have it.

 TalonZahn wrote:
Don't want it until they can't have it.

Can't speak for anybody else; but I personally think the way they do Mercenaries for the most part is pants on head dumb.

I like Lunah's model(might get it just to paint), but I can't say her setup really makes me think I need to start an Imperial Service army.
And that's where my own personal beef comes from with this setup. There is, in the eyes of many players, a blatant favoritism towards Yu Jing(some were VERY flustered when the "Year of Tohaa" or "Year of USARF" or whatever fizzled out to basically nothing while the "Year of Yu Jing" was perceived as a fairly big deal with a hefty redesign of a lot of units that were old) when it comes to model releases and things of that nature.

The seemingly constant release of new Mercenaries that essentially become Yu Jing exclusive is not a great thing for shaking loose that perception. Knauf was an unexpected surprise in that he went to MRRF, but it's basically considered a one and done that any new Mercenary unit is going to end up in ISS.

I also feel like Interruptor did not do himself any favors with the article that they published about Lunah being a "preview" of them trying to get away from being predictable to players with releases.

They've long had people frustrated at the lack of profiles being fully fleshed out or available readily; adding more stuff will just exacerbate the situation.

I can't see myself being pleasantly surprised by rando mercs at any point ever while I have tiny hassassin models or old as dust auxilia and borked bolt profiles.

Unpredictable sounds like an excuse for disorganized.


Edited for clarity.

Profile is strong. Probably way stronger in Vanilla YJ then ISS. First thing that comes to mind is a bait and switch with Raiden.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I can see myself being pleasantly surprised by rando mercs at any point ever while I have tiny hassassin models or old as dust auxilia and borked bolt profiles.

Can or intended can't?

Kanluwen wrote:And that's where my own personal beef comes from with this setup. There is, in the eyes of many players, a blatant favoritism towards Yu Jing(some were VERY flustered when the "Year of Tohaa" or "Year of USARF" or whatever fizzled out to basically nothing while the "Year of Yu Jing" was perceived as a fairly big deal with a hefty redesign of a lot of units that were old) when it comes to model releases and things of that nature.

They had luxurious ride ever since N3 launched.

 Knight wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I can see myself being pleasantly surprised by rando mercs at any point ever while I have tiny hassassin models or old as dust auxilia and borked bolt profiles.

Can or intended can't?

Can't
lol

What CB really needs is the month of Re-doing All Those Horrendous Support Packs. I bought the Haqqislam one and with in seconds of opening the box I vomited on myself.

As someone who owns all the armies, it doesn't really bother me if a Merc is locked down to 1 or another.

However, I don't feel like Mercs should be locked to 1-2. They should really be open to say Half the armies/factions to maximize their usage.

Perhaps some type of costing increase for armies a Merc is less likely to work for. Then they could be used by all, but it would be more thematic?

I.E. a Merc LOVES ISS and costs 20 points for them, but HATES Haqq, although for the right price, say 30 points, he will work for them.

 TalonZahn wrote:
As someone who owns all the armies, it doesn't really bother me if a Merc is locked down to 1 or another.

However, I don't feel like Mercs should be locked to 1-2. They should really be open to say Half the armies/factions to maximize their usage.

Perhaps some type of costing increase for armies a Merc is less likely to work for. Then they could be used by all, but it would be more thematic?

I.E. a Merc LOVES ISS and costs 20 points for them, but HATES Haqq, although for the right price, say 30 points, he will work for them.

Truthfully, I've been arguing for something similar to that for some of the weirder priced units(Bolts, for example) in Sectorials as well.

You're still going to have to limit some Mercs somehow to maintain balance or theme in ITS play.

Ex 1, PanO having access to Yojimbo even at increased cost goes against the no smoke/motorcycle ava and bad CC theme for PanO.

Ex. 2: Avicenna would be straight up disgusting in certain factions. Her camped behind any supped up TO HI like Anathematics or the recursion she adds to Ariadna might be too overbearing

I know this has been brought up before, but the only limitation to Mercs is ITS play. You're complaining about CB not letting you take profiles because you're doing what CB tells you do.

To me, that's EXACTLY why they should be allowed.

If you doubled their cost to make up for your thematic lacking, you would have to make some hard choices.

It also makes the army more fragile at the same time. If you break the lynch-pin the rest of the army gets destroyed.

 TalonZahn wrote:
To me, that's EXACTLY why they should be allowed.

If you doubled their cost to make up for your thematic lacking, you would have to make some hard choices.

It also makes the army more fragile at the same time. If you break the lynch-pin the rest of the army gets destroyed.

Lol I aint taking a 42 irregular order in PanO just to get a single smoke source on an extremely impetuous profile. That's a worse price than Guarda de Assaultos.

I'm sure there's a reasonable bump in pts for Yojimbo somewhere in between. But I'm unwilling to tolerate PanO having a smoke source in ITS.

You have then proved my point. If it's not worth the cost, then it won't be taken.

It also means that it CAN be taken.

Your choice.

You want smoke for a steep price or do you want keep your army in-house?

 avantgarde wrote:
But I'm unwilling to tolerate PanO having a regular smoke source.

Reading player's responses it would seem a lot of them are simply unwilling to tolerate of PanO having anything, aside of bad drawbacks.

 avantgarde wrote:
You're still going to have to limit some Mercs somehow to maintain balance or theme in ITS play.

Ex 1, PanO having access to Yojimbo even at increased cost goes against the no smoke/motorcycle ava and bad CC theme for PanO.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuulll.

The "no smoke" thing for PanO has been debunked so many times it's not even funny. The ONLY reason it exists now is because CB refuses to compromise that one stupid rule when it comes to PanO, yet has no issue with removing the other faction "handicaps" now.


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 avantgarde wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:
To me, that's EXACTLY why they should be allowed.

If you doubled their cost to make up for your thematic lacking, you would have to make some hard choices.

It also makes the army more fragile at the same time. If you break the lynch-pin the rest of the army gets destroyed.

Lol I aint taking a 42 irregular order in PanO just to get a single smoke source on an extremely impetuous profile. That's a worse price than Guarda de Assaultos.

I'm sure there's a reasonable bump in pts for Yojimbo somewhere in between. But I'm unwilling to tolerate PanO having a smoke source in ITS.

So when do you start getting upset about virtually every other faction having Smoke+MSV?

It's my irrational opinion and it's not going to change. Also I am upset at the proliferation of Smoke+MSV2. I disliked the addition of Jaguars and Kerails and would object to smoke being added to Onyx, a faction I play.

Not like they hurting from lack of it. PanO crushes it at big tournies.

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 Knight wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
I can see myself being pleasantly surprised by rando mercs at any point ever while I have tiny hassassin models or old as dust auxilia and borked bolt profiles.

Can or intended can't?

Kanluwen wrote:And that's where my own personal beef comes from with this setup. There is, in the eyes of many players, a blatant favoritism towards Yu Jing(some were VERY flustered when the "Year of Tohaa" or "Year of USARF" or whatever fizzled out to basically nothing while the "Year of Yu Jing" was perceived as a fairly big deal with a hefty redesign of a lot of units that were old) when it comes to model releases and things of that nature.

They had luxurious ride ever since N3 launched.

Having started collecting JSA after Paradiso I must say I had no interest in collecting any vanilla Yu Jing until N3. They sorely needed a redesign on many units and some tweaking to their stats. I don't particularly feel they have disproportionately received too much attention considering how outdated & uninteresting many of their units looked.
If any faction needs attention I'd say its still not PanO.
Haqq & CA (more than just Shas) have many models & profiles that could use a retooling.