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Eh, I find griping over smoke+MSV to be overblown these days. Since you can dodge without penalty or fire back at -6 if you're feeling particularly lucky it's more about protecting the shooter from BS ARO's than straight up murdering things with impunity.

Has anybody shown this yet?

The lady is kinda meh, but I like the StabBot!

Very nice! I'd take those as doc and bot over any of the support packs. Is that for the boardgame?

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
Very nice! I'd take those as doc and bot over any of the support packs. Is that for the boardgame?

No, it's the Danavas hacker for Vedic ALEPH and the Karkata TAG bot thingy.

Having started collecting JSA after Paradiso I must say I had no interest in collecting any vanilla Yu Jing until N3. They sorely needed a redesign on many units and some tweaking to their stats. I don't particularly feel they have disproportionately received too much attention considering how outdated & uninteresting many of their units looked.

I'd want for every army to receive YJ treatment.

SnotlingPimpWagon wrote:
The lady is kinda meh, but I like the StabBot!

StabBot is going cut ya! He's going cut ya good! So they gave him a knife, but no knife for PanO CraBot? Disappointed CB, disappointed. :(

Hard to hold a knife with Claws

When I first started looking at which faction to play, Yu Jing was at the bottom of the heap because the minis were so very ugly. They have improved immensely. Haqq, Nomads and the CA, have had this "YJ" treatment already. Pan-O and Ariadna seem to be receiving it, but are on the slow train to New-and-Improved-ville. Maybe the faction aesthetics are less inspiring to the artists and sculptors? I'd like to see a new auxbot modelled after the crabbot. It won't happen though. I'd really like to see a New Guarda de Assalto.

The Karkata has Chaksa legs? As I wrote, I can find a use for both as proxies. I wonder if the short jacket motif will appear on other Vedics in the future.

Release reminder:
Danavas Hacker with Karkata remote
Caledonian Starter Box
Hassassin Ayyar
Bagh-Mari HMG

Repacks:
Ninjas MSR and Hacker
Zeroes Combi rifle and Hacker

And the Steel Phalanx army box

Contents of the Caledonian Box? I'd guess 3 Caledonian Volunteers, a Mormaer, a Wulver and a Highlander Gray. I don't recall seeing the render for a new Wulver, so maybe 4 Volunteers?

No word on the 5th release, if there is one?

Ariadna have received an entirely new sectoral. If those resources had been expended on existing Ariadna factions they would be as updated as any other (assuming the smattering of Kazak new releases didn't go anywhere).

Pan-O doesn't feel like it's been neglected. Is it just that they haven't 'finished' any of the sectorals? Because that just seems to be how CB approach everything. Now that we can expect to be more 'surprised' be releases I'm not sure if that means we will see whole sectorals get fleshed out with new models before they move on...
At this point that would be surprising.

 plastictrees wrote:
Ariadna have received an entirely new sectoral. If those resources had been expended on existing Ariadna factions they would be as updated as any other (assuming the smattering of Kazak new releases didn't go anywhere).

To be fair, Ariadna received USAriadna because of the fact that they shelved Merovingia. Merovingia still exists as a Sectorial, but they've been very very clear that MRRF is going to be heavily revised and USARF was pushed up to take that place.

Pan-O doesn't feel like it's been neglected.

Maybe not from the outside, but to anyone who actually is on the inside would likely disagree.

Speaking from the point of view of Neoterra?
Our "starter set" was three old models(Aquila Guard with Multi Rifle, Swiss Guard with launcher, and Hexa with Spitfire) reboxed with three new ones(Bolts with Combi Rifle+LSG).
We got two resculpts, effectively, in the form of the Aquila Guard with HMG and the Squalo.
We got very little in the way of actual design time, from my perspective. No new profiles(it would have been a PERFECT place to add in Auxbot-less profiles with Haris, a Bolt Engineer, etc), just stuff from generic(ORCs can be taken as AVA 3) placed inside. Still no special Neoterran characters as well.
No Locust models yet; the ONE real, new unit that Neoterra got with HSN3 and it has not received a single profile as a model at this point. It's not like it has a crazy amount of loadouts to make releasing the profiles hard either.
Biggest kick in the junk is in regards to the fact that the two most sought after TAGs for both NCA and SAA got bundled together into one box.

Is it just that they haven't 'finished' any of the sectorals? Because that just seems to be how CB approach everything. Now that we can expect to be more 'surprised' be releases I'm not sure if that means we will see whole sectorals get fleshed out with new models before they move on...
At this point that would be surprising.

It doesn't. It means that they can add "new" units without a book at release.

 Red Harvest wrote:

Contents of the Caledonian Box? I'd guess 3 Caledonian Volunteers, a Mormaer, a Wulver and a Highlander Gray. I don't recall seeing the render for a new Wulver, so maybe 4 Volunteers?

Unless they changed thier mind it's this:

Ninjas are getting repacked? That's disappointing considering the reculpted Red Veil ninja looks so amazing and the current ones pale in comparison.

 Absolutionis wrote:
Ninjas are getting repacked? That's disappointing considering the reculpted Red Veil ninja looks so amazing and the current ones pale in comparison.

Mayacast (I think it was them that had the release list) were unsure. Reports from Rumble and Adepticon were unsure, some people were saying two new models, some saying repack.

Guess we'll find out when we see the pictures.

It's pretty rare that we are completely surprised with no renders for a model with an existing profile these days

Caledonian Starter Box is on BoW.

3x Caledonian Volunteers (1 specifically a Paramedic)
1x Mormaer, T2 rifle
1x Wulver T2 Rifle
1x Highlander Gray T2 rifle

125 pts, 0 SWC

And the Wulver is bloody aweful. Looks 90s GW plastic monopose bad.

I think the box is decent. Not fan of the Wulver though.


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuulll.

The "no smoke" thing for PanO has been debunked so many times it's not even funny. The ONLY reason it exists now is because CB refuses to compromise that one stupid rule when it comes to PanO, yet has no issue with removing the other faction "handicaps" now.

Where has this been debunked numerous times?
Where do you know why CB does things?
Why is dakkadakka collectively not calling you out on speaking in absolute statements, while never ever providing anything to back up your claims? I don't even.

I figured everyone would just be happy the lady has pants.

 Zewrath wrote:
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Why is dakkadakka collectively not calling you out on speaking in absolute statements, while never ever providing anything to back up your claims? I don't even.

Because he's entitled to his opinion, yes?

Sure, he's speaking very authoritatively and with conviction, but I think everyone realizes it is his opinion there.

I mean, I don't want to be on a forum where everyone has to state "IN MY OPINION" in every post they post.

It's understood.

Now isn´t that kinda funny? Zewrath complains about Kanluwen´s abolute statements and yet tells us about the Last Saga models "For the record, yes this is a total ripoff."

Whatever. I guess I am just trolling/being ignorant again. ^^

I like the Caledonians. Nicely done models and a medic, which is cool imho. I hope there might be an Acontecimento Supportbox with Hacker, Bot, Medic and something else (minelayer?)?

Why has the Karkata remote a knife though? Still, pretty pretty models which will find their way to me due to being OSS.

Saphos wrote:
I like the Caledonians. Nicely done models and a medic, which is cool imho. I hope there might be an Acontecimento Supportbox with Hacker, Bot, Medic and something else (minelayer?)?

Sadly no. Only Hacker with Fast Panda is being planned.

I actually really like the Wulver...

Do we know if there are more Caledonian releases coming up?

What am I saying, I don't want to get into Caledonians. I'd never be able to paint the tartan.

ubik2000 wrote:
Do we know if there are more Caledonian releases coming up?

What am I saying, I don't want to get into Caledonians. I'd never be able to paint the tartan.

There's at least a Volunteer SWC box and a Highlander Grey box coming.

I could really get behind CB rapidly updating all of the starter sets. In fact, if that was the main focus to every month I would be a happy clam.

So if you are listening CB, if you update the QK starter box I will 100% buy it no question.

Starter sets, and the support boxes. They really need some help.

ubik2000 wrote:
Do we know if there are more Caledonian releases coming up?

Yes. Yes there is.

What am I saying, I don't want to get into Caledonians. I'd never be able to paint the tartan.

Look for someone with the Hordes Trollblood book is advice I keep hearing.



Bringing a post back from a few months ago; it's dossiers/renders from an event. Some have been released, some haven't. Caledonia is in there though.


PanOceania
Bagh Mari HMG render



Yu Jing
Shikami dossier

Zhanying Agent render



Ariadna


USARF Airborne with Molotok render


New Caledonia stuff!
Dossiers:


Renders:


The Volunteers renders are a mixture of the starter set and the Special Weapons box models.

Tohaa
Sukeul Commando with Missile Launcher(it's on the back of the model slung) render:




Combined Army
Nexus Operative dossier:


Haqqislam
Hassassin Ayyar render:


Nomads
Riot Grrls render:
(Note: I'm actually a big fan of this new design for them. They have more character than the original designs)
Last, but most definitely not least...

ALEPH
Danavas Hacker(Operations Subsection--a new Vedic model!) dossier and render:

Saphos wrote:
Now isn´t that kinda funny? Zewrath complains about Kanluwen´s abolute statements and yet tells us about the Last Saga models "For the record, yes this is a total ripoff."

Whatever. I guess I am just trolling/being ignorant again. ^^

I like the Caledonians. Nicely done models and a medic, which is cool imho. I hope there might be an Acontecimento Supportbox with Hacker, Bot, Medic and something else (minelayer?)?

Why has the Karkata remote a knife though? Still, pretty pretty models which will find their way to me due to being OSS.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

Making strong statements with several arguments is not the same thing as saying "CB does this because I say so, trust me on this one".

 Zewrath wrote:

Saphos wrote:
Now isn´t that kinda funny? Zewrath complains about Kanluwen´s abolute statements and yet tells us about the Last Saga models "For the record, yes this is a total ripoff."

Whatever. I guess I am just trolling/being ignorant again. ^^

I like the Caledonians. Nicely done models and a medic, which is cool imho. I hope there might be an Acontecimento Supportbox with Hacker, Bot, Medic and something else (minelayer?)?

Why has the Karkata remote a knife though? Still, pretty pretty models which will find their way to me due to being OSS.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

Making strong statements with several arguments is not the same thing as saying "CB does this because I say so, trust me on this one".

What do you want me to do, cite common sense?

A large amount of what CB does and figuring out why they did it isn't exactly requiring an advanced degree. It just requires a bit of knowledge about the company and the way they've described or done things in the past.

I know you're active on the Infinity forums. Look around. People much better than me on the theorycrafting side of things have time and time again posted how the whole "+1 BS" advantage that PanO has is heavily negated by the MSV+Smoke combination. PanO, however, is the only faction which outwardly still maintains its "advantage/disadvantage" from back in the day(Lesser WIP stat for a +1BS benefit; like how YJ had higher CC scores but lesser BS scores and Ariadna had lesser tech but it was basically unhackable).

 TalonZahn wrote:
I figured everyone would just be happy the lady has pants.

Isobel MacGregor tight pants. At least they are not Lulu Lemon yoga pants. Kilts are for men only, IIRC.

Saphos wrote:
Why has the Karkata remote a knife though? Still, pretty pretty models which will find their way to me due to being OSS.

Check its profile. That is the only weapon it carries. It has the Flash Pulse too.

 plastictrees wrote:
It's pretty rare that we are completely surprised with no renders for a model with an existing profile these days

True, but Nosferatu the Wulver is one of these rare cases. I wonder why CB chose not to reveal its render

Those tactical rocks are Tesseum right?

Not a bad starter. I would call it adequate. This makes what, 3 starters in a row that are "adequate' -- ASA, Bakunin and now this. Each has a couple of nice to very nice minis and the rest is just sort of box filler.

In My Opinion©, of course.