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I still don't agree with the arguments that it is Yriel. That mysterious figure has ZERO hints on it being Yriel, artwork and bad pic to go by granted, but I see nothing that would make me think its him. TONS of loose conjecture and reposts has made it group think.
I mean the biggest hole for the Red mystery man being him IS in fact his red kabalite looking warsuit. If all fluff hints point him toward the bastard son of Vect then he would be wearing the colors of the Black Heart kabal, and thats IF Yriel somehow joined him. Then theres the problem with the weapon, it's so glaringly obvious it's a curved dark eldar sword not unlike the venom blade. Finally the model is wearing mostly DE themed armor dawning a fething trophy rack, yea about that, no way Yriel goes that far to the dark side.
My best guess is it is a new DE character similar to Sliscus. They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I forgot to mention in my last post Yriel is hugely defined by his eye of wrath. Someone explain to me where it went/how it works on a model with a normal DE helmet. Yriel could be in the box btw, I just don't find there is enough compelling evidence that the red figure is him.
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Red Corsair wrote: I mean the biggest hole for the Red mystery man being him IS in fact his red kabalite looking warsuit. If all fluff hints point him toward the bastard son of Vect then he would be wearing the colors of the Black Heart kabal, and thats IF Yriel somehow joined him. Then theres the problem with the weapon, it's so glaringly obvious it's a curved dark eldar sword not unlike the venom blade. Finally the model is wearing mostly DE themed armor dawning a fething trophy rack, yea about that, no way Yriel goes that far to the dark side.
My best guess is it is a new DE character similar to Sliscus. They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon.
While Sliscus would be cool, I don't agree with your reasoning for it not being Yriel. If he just found out that he is the son of a Dar Eldar AND a Shadowseer is showing him visions of him being the Eldar "chosen one" and taking him on adventure to do who know what, it is entirely feasible that he has dawned some ancient armour that doesn't hold ties to Iyanden or the Black Heart Kabal, but may actually represent some faction of pre-fall Eldar that we haven't heard of yet. Yriel has been renewed with a new purpose, so his attire would reflect that.
I am not saying Red dude HAS to be Yriel, just that he very well could be if GW wants to further his story.
Red Corsair wrote: I mean the biggest hole for the Red mystery man being him IS in fact his red kabalite looking warsuit. If all fluff hints point him toward the bastard son of Vect then he would be wearing the colors of the Black Heart kabal, and thats IF Yriel somehow joined him. Then theres the problem with the weapon, it's so glaringly obvious it's a curved dark eldar sword not unlike the venom blade. Finally the model is wearing mostly DE themed armor dawning a fething trophy rack, yea about that, no way Yriel goes that far to the dark side.
My best guess is it is a new DE character similar to Sliscus. They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon.
While Sliscus would be cool, I don't agree with your reasoning for it not being Yriel. If he just found out that he is the son of a Dar Eldar AND a Shadowseer is showing him visions of him being the Eldar "chosen one" and taking him on adventure to do who know what, it is entirely feasible that he has dawned some ancient armour that doesn't hold ties to Iyanden or the Black Heart Kabal, but may actually represent some faction of pre-fall Eldar that we haven't heard of yet. Yriel has been renewed with a new purpose, so his attire would reflect that.
I am not saying Red dude HAS to be Yriel, just that he very well could be if GW wants to further his story.
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But you just made up a narative to back up that theory. Thats my whole point. Give me concrete proof otherwise I can list 10 other heros it could be with just as much justification.
Reread my post, I would love for it to be Sliscus but I don't think it will be him or any previous special character. I think it will be some new DE pirate archon leveraged into working for the other eldar/Aeldari.
Again BTW, I have to point out the leaps your making in your theory. Some ancient DE suit of armor? DE don't use hand me downs they make new gear with slaves unless your Incubi. I still don't understand why he's dawn red (contrary to the many with horse blinders on he wears blue, black and yellow which are Iyandin colors) and apparently a thoughtful Haemonculus fixed his eye for him and he traded in the spear of twilight. That weapon is definitely not the spear of twilight, GW won't just change it's look from the many many pieces of art and his current model, see Kharn, Arihman or Eldrad.
You know it's Yriel because GW is boring and a bit lazy. A half breed character who units his two bloodlines into one combined force to come out on top and win. It's been done a million times.
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Red Corsair wrote: I still don't agree with the arguments that it is Yriel. That mysterious figure has ZERO hints on it being Yriel, artwork and bad pic to go by granted, but I see nothing that would make me think its him. TONS of loose conjecture and reposts has made it group think.
I mean the biggest hole for the Red mystery man being him IS in fact his red kabalite looking warsuit. If all fluff hints point him toward the bastard son of Vect then he would be wearing the colors of the Black Heart kabal, and thats IF Yriel somehow joined him. Then theres the problem with the weapon, it's so glaringly obvious it's a curved dark eldar sword not unlike the venom blade. Finally the model is wearing mostly DE themed armor dawning a fething trophy rack, yea about that, no way Yriel goes that far to the dark side.
My best guess is it is a new DE character similar to Sliscus. They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I forgot to mention in my last post Yriel is hugely defined by his eye of wrath. Someone explain to me where it went/how it works on a model with a normal DE helmet. Yriel could be in the box btw, I just don't find there is enough compelling evidence that the red figure is him.
Celestine invalidates your last statement.
They pulled her from the codex, released her again upgraded in the campaign.
Has anyone explained why the red guy is so huge? I mean, in the artwork it could just be him standing on something but the blurry image of the model in the background looks like he is supposed to be a pretty big dude. It could be the perspective but I don't think it is. I don't know how he could be just a normal Eldar if he's that huge, which makes me think he could very well be some weird wraith construct or the Khan.
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The odds of it being Yriel is high due to Veilwalker.. he was last seen leaving with her.. and now a mysterious Eldar is wearing a suit that doesn't match either Dark or Craftworld Eldar.. just after we discovered Yriel is half.
It's all fan conjecture at this point, but if I had to put a bet down, my money is on Yriel.
Tbh I'm more interested in the woman in the gown, and the hope she get's a model.. been waiting for a female HQ model for too danged long. If it's Malys however my other half will be nabbing her.. she has the name Aurelia here on Dakka for goodness sakes, I couldn't turn her down.
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"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
Everyone is focussing on this being an already known character.
But let's look to the Imperial Triumvate. Of those, only Celestine was previously known.
If we can use that as any sort of template or indicator, it looks like Veilwalker is the character we know, meaning it could very well be no one we've ever encountered before.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
I'm not sure we can. I can't see every box only having one known character.. they have plenty of big characters waiting for either new models or their first.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
Red Corsair wrote: I still don't agree with the arguments that it is Yriel. That mysterious figure has ZERO hints on it being Yriel, artwork and bad pic to go by granted, but I see nothing that would make me think its him. TONS of loose conjecture and reposts has made it group think.
I mean the biggest hole for the Red mystery man being him IS in fact his red kabalite looking warsuit. If all fluff hints point him toward the bastard son of Vect then he would be wearing the colors of the Black Heart kabal, and thats IF Yriel somehow joined him. Then theres the problem with the weapon, it's so glaringly obvious it's a curved dark eldar sword not unlike the venom blade. Finally the model is wearing mostly DE themed armor dawning a fething trophy rack, yea about that, no way Yriel goes that far to the dark side.
My best guess is it is a new DE character similar to Sliscus. They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I forgot to mention in my last post Yriel is hugely defined by his eye of wrath. Someone explain to me where it went/how it works on a model with a normal DE helmet. Yriel could be in the box btw, I just don't find there is enough compelling evidence that the red figure is him.
Celestine invalidates your last statement.
They pulled her from the codex, released her again upgraded in the campaign.
Did you even read my post? I said it was unlikely that a DE character with no previous model would be pulled from the old book, how the feth did you leap to a CWE character from there?
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: The odds of it being Yriel is high due to Veilwalker.. he was last seen leaving with her.. and now a mysterious Eldar is wearing a suit that doesn't match either Dark or Craftworld Eldar.. just after we discovered Yriel is half.
It's all fan conjecture at this point, but if I had to put a bet down, my money is on Yriel.
Tbh I'm more interested in the woman in the gown, and the hope she get's a model.. been waiting for a female HQ model for too danged long. If it's Malys however my other half will be nabbing her.. she has the name Aurelia here on Dakka for goodness sakes, I couldn't turn her down.
If it's Yriel then it's only in name. lets run through it, he doesn't have his eye or wrath, he doesn't have his spear, he suddenly wears a totally new outfit hiding his face. Seriously, it would only be him by name, which I don't think has happened before.
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Red Corsair wrote: I mean the biggest hole for the Red mystery man being him IS in fact his red kabalite looking warsuit. If all fluff hints point him toward the bastard son of Vect then he would be wearing the colors of the Black Heart kabal, and thats IF Yriel somehow joined him. Then theres the problem with the weapon, it's so glaringly obvious it's a curved dark eldar sword not unlike the venom blade. Finally the model is wearing mostly DE themed armor dawning a fething trophy rack, yea about that, no way Yriel goes that far to the dark side.
My best guess is it is a new DE character similar to Sliscus. They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon.
While Sliscus would be cool, I don't agree with your reasoning for it not being Yriel. If he just found out that he is the son of a Dar Eldar AND a Shadowseer is showing him visions of him being the Eldar "chosen one" and taking him on adventure to do who know what, it is entirely feasible that he has dawned some ancient armour that doesn't hold ties to Iyanden or the Black Heart Kabal, but may actually represent some faction of pre-fall Eldar that we haven't heard of yet. Yriel has been renewed with a new purpose, so his attire would reflect that.
I am not saying Red dude HAS to be Yriel, just that he very well could be if GW wants to further his story.
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But you just made up a narative to back up that theory. Thats my whole point. Give me concrete proof otherwise I can list 10 other heros it could be with just as much justification.
Reread my post, I would love for it to be Sliscus but I don't think it will be him or any previous special character. I think it will be some new DE pirate archon leveraged into working for the other eldar/Aeldari.
Again BTW, I have to point out the leaps your making in your theory. Some ancient DE suit of armor? DE don't use hand me downs they make new gear with slaves unless your Incubi. I still don't understand why he's dawn red (contrary to the many with horse blinders on he wears blue, black and yellow which are Iyandin colors) and apparently a thoughtful Haemonculus fixed his eye for him and he traded in the spear of twilight. That weapon is definitely not the spear of twilight, GW won't just change it's look from the many many pieces of art and his current model, see Kharn, Arihman or Eldrad.
There is a recent novel that ends with yriel being given a new purpose to live by veilwalker.
FoC specifically mentions the armour is a blend of c.world and d.eldar design.
Eldar don't use ancient gear? Except all aspect warriors and pheonix lords even dicounting it being made to reinforce.his mixed.heritage.
He is a Prince to both groups of eldar.
Not 100% but I belevie it was mentioned ages ago that his corsair colours were.predominantly red.
Pretty sure you cannot see his eye for the helmet.
The spear is iffy but maybe he now fights with sword and spear and it is some d.elder sword to mark his position.
GW change art all the time .
Your last point is especially laughable and comical, because not only the 7th ed Valkyrie shown dumber things (like being able to throw the troopers without parachutes out of its hatches, no harm done) - Irbis
Can't really tell in the pic of the model or art what he is armed with, some have argued you can see the spear on the model shot.. me I'm not so sure. As for the eye.. who knows, under the helm, or he's removed it as he has a new focus.
But its just as valid a possibility as saying random new Dark Eldar.. we'll know soon enough, well as long as GW doesn't draw out the red Eldar for another book of course.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
Two White Horses (Ipswich Town and Denver Broncos Supporter)
Red Corsair wrote: I mean the biggest hole for the Red mystery man being him IS in fact his red kabalite looking warsuit. If all fluff hints point him toward the bastard son of Vect then he would be wearing the colors of the Black Heart kabal, and thats IF Yriel somehow joined him. Then theres the problem with the weapon, it's so glaringly obvious it's a curved dark eldar sword not unlike the venom blade. Finally the model is wearing mostly DE themed armor dawning a fething trophy rack, yea about that, no way Yriel goes that far to the dark side.
My best guess is it is a new DE character similar to Sliscus. They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon.
While Sliscus would be cool, I don't agree with your reasoning for it not being Yriel. If he just found out that he is the son of a Dar Eldar AND a Shadowseer is showing him visions of him being the Eldar "chosen one" and taking him on adventure to do who know what, it is entirely feasible that he has dawned some ancient armour that doesn't hold ties to Iyanden or the Black Heart Kabal, but may actually represent some faction of pre-fall Eldar that we haven't heard of yet. Yriel has been renewed with a new purpose, so his attire would reflect that.
I am not saying Red dude HAS to be Yriel, just that he very well could be if GW wants to further his story.
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But you just made up a narative to back up that theory. Thats my whole point. Give me concrete proof otherwise I can list 10 other heros it could be with just as much justification.
Reread my post, I would love for it to be Sliscus but I don't think it will be him or any previous special character. I think it will be some new DE pirate archon leveraged into working for the other eldar/Aeldari.
Again BTW, I have to point out the leaps your making in your theory. Some ancient DE suit of armor? DE don't use hand me downs they make new gear with slaves unless your Incubi. I still don't understand why he's dawn red (contrary to the many with horse blinders on he wears blue, black and yellow which are Iyandin colors) and apparently a thoughtful Haemonculus fixed his eye for him and he traded in the spear of twilight. That weapon is definitely not the spear of twilight, GW won't just change it's look from the many many pieces of art and his current model, see Kharn, Arihman or Eldrad.
There is a recent novel that ends with yriel being given a new purpose to live by veilwalker.
FoC specifically mentions the armour is a blend of c.world and d.eldar design.
Eldar don't use ancient gear? Except all aspect warriors and pheonix lords even dicounting it being made to reinforce.his mixed.heritage.
He is a Prince to both groups of eldar.
Not 100% but I belevie it was mentioned ages ago that his corsair colours were.predominantly red.
Pretty sure you cannot see his eye for the helmet.
The spear is iffy but maybe he now fights with sword and spear and it is some d.elder sword to mark his position.
GW change art all the time .
Wow, you guys need to read more carefully, Eldar use hand me downs, DE do not with the exception of Incubi who are their own strange nut.
Saying he is DE royalty is also a laugh, a DE would kill Khain himself to rule the Dark City. If Vect found out he had an "heir" he'd have him chopped up and tossed into the nearest star.
Never heard of him being tied to red. He always wore a varient of Iyandin colors. Dark blue with yellow accents.
GW as far as I can think of, someone correct me if I am wrong, has never altered a model with an existing model and established art. Seriously, closest I can think of is Calgar getting terminator armor and even then it was an add on to his previous model and an in game upgrade. Genuinely curious if I am brain farting someone, but any other model has always adhered to the art/previous versions. Kharn didn't suddenly get a two headed ax, Arihmans staff didn't change, celestines ardent blade is the same roses and all. The most the gained was an add on like a disc or new jump pack, longer chains.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Can't really tell in the pic of the model or art what he is armed with, some have argued you can see the spear on the model shot.. me I'm not so sure. As for the eye.. who knows, under the helm, or he's removed it as he has a new focus.
But its just as valid a possibility as saying random new Dark Eldar.. we'll know soon enough, well as long as GW doesn't draw out the red Eldar for another book of course.
It looks like a run of the mill DE sword, definitely not a husk blade which for me eliminates the right hand man to Vect (blanking on his name) and I can't see where a spear would be. The model isn't holding one in the art and blurry as that pic might be, to me it is clear enough to see he isn't holding a spear and one isn't popping out from behind him.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BTW can we update the first post to contain that artwork and the few picks we have?
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From what I've seen on facebook, the suggestion is the bit I have highlighted between the two black lines and pointed to is the haft of the spear.. while the back of his hand seems to be over the top of a weapon like if he was holding a spear.. and some kind of blurring is blocking out the actual hand and weapon tip.
Like I said above I'm not convinced.. but I could possibly see it.
edit - Imgur is not hot linking for some reason, so here is a link to the pic
The main reason I doubt it is a purely DE character (even though his armour does suggest this) is the picture of his actual model. though blurry, it is quite clear that there are no DE around him. There are only Ulthwe Eldar around him. GW pretty much never does this in photos, even though the rules allow it. GW typically sticks with Faction A character being surrounded by Faction A units. Any alliance photos they take have a clear separation between factions. So if Red-dude isn't surrounded by models of HIS same faction, then he is almost assuredly a model with a blurred faction.
Wouldn't it be cool if this new model, whoever he turns out to be, was an HQ for CWE, DE and Harlequins?
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My best guess is it is a new DE character similar to Sliscus. They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also I forgot to mention in my last post Yriel is hugely defined by his eye of wrath. Someone explain to me where it went/how it works on a model with a normal DE helmet. Yriel could be in the box btw, I just don't find there is enough compelling evidence that the red figure is him.
Celestine invalidates your last statement.
They pulled her from the codex, released her again upgraded in the campaign.
Did you even read my post? I said it was unlikely that a DE character with no previous model would be pulled from the old book, how the feth did you leap to a CWE character from there?
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They won't make any of the old guard I'm guessing since they discontinued them in the recent book. They will just introduce us to a new Archon sort of like how we got Facerippa, krom and kranon
I am replying simply to that, as I feel very strongly that one of the characters will be Vect.
This seems to be the time for re-introductions in this campaign and they are having fun with it
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: From what I've seen on facebook, the suggestion is the bit I have highlighted between the two black lines and pointed to is the haft of the spear.. while the back of his hand seems to be over the top of a weapon like if he was holding a spear.. and some kind of blurring is blocking out the actual hand and weapon tip.
Like I said above I'm not convinced.. but I could possibly see it.
edit - Imgur is not hot linking for some reason, so here is a link to the pic
Aye, agreed.. why I said not convinced.. although I will add, it seems a real weird way to be holding a sword considering his overall pose.. but him stalking forward holding a spear down and forward would be quite natural.
The sooner the model gets fully leaked the better, if its a spear you can lock in Yriel I'd reckon, if its a sword, probably not.
"That's not an Ork, its a girl.." - Last words of High General Daran Ul'tharem, battle of Ursha VII.
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Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: From what I've seen on facebook, the suggestion is the bit I have highlighted between the two black lines and pointed to is the haft of the spear.. while the back of his hand seems to be over the top of a weapon like if he was holding a spear.. and some kind of blurring is blocking out the actual hand and weapon tip.
http://imgur.com/a/2citW
Looks like the flight stem to the Jetbike in the background to me.
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Aye, agreed.. why I said not convinced.. although I will add, it seems a real weird way to be holding a sword considering his overall pose.. but him stalking forward holding a spear down and forward would be quite natural.
The sooner the model gets fully leaked the better, if its a spear you can lock in Yriel I'd reckon, if its a sword, probably not.
OR he's holding his swords in the upside down pose, which you usually see when people are using knives/daggers (think stabbing and not slashing) which some people fight with their swords that way too
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: From what I've seen on facebook, the suggestion is the bit I have highlighted between the two black lines and pointed to is the haft of the spear.. while the back of his hand seems to be over the top of a weapon like if he was holding a spear.. and some kind of blurring is blocking out the actual hand and weapon tip.
http://imgur.com/a/2citW
Looks like the flight stem to the Jetbike in the background to me.
Looks like the flight stem to the Jetbike in the background to me.
That was my first thought when folks over on facebook raised the spear idea.. I still think that's quite possible.
edit - Although looking at the pic again, I think the flight stand is just behind it to the right.
It could'nt be. Follow the line, it's warped with one part near the top being wider on the right side than the left.
It is "warped" because that stem is clear and it is warping what is behind it. If you look at the image again, you'll see TWO lines. These are the outer edges of the stem.
Looks like the flight stem to the Jetbike in the background to me.
That was my first thought when folks over on facebook raised the spear idea.. I still think that's quite possible.
edit - Although looking at the pic again, I think the flight stand is just behind it to the right.
It could'nt be. Follow the line, it's warped with one part near the top being wider on the right side than the left.
It is "warped" because that stem is clear and it is warping what is behind it. If you look at the image again, you'll see TWO lines. These are the outer edges of the stem.
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