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I'll eat my hat if two of the eldar characters don't turn out to be Malys and Yriel.

I don't own a hat either, so i'll have to go and buy one just to eat it. I'm feeling confident. Make it a sombrero.

You may want to go shopping then as from what's been said, it's neither of the 2 sadly :(

 Red Corsair wrote:
I think some folks are speculating the elimination of at least some aspects due to the fact that so much of the fething line is fine cast.

-shining spears
-striking scorpions
-fire dragons
-warp spyders
-Howling banshees
-swooping hawks
-dark reapers

not to mention

-warlocks
-Avatar of khiane
-jainzar
-karandras
-maugun rah
-Ashurman
-Feugan
-Baharoth
-pathfinders

Can anyone think of another faction that even comes close to this level of finecast?

I hope they figure something out but I can't imagine GW keeping finecast around forever.

I would listen to a dog throwing up in the yard before I listened to what "some folks are speculating".
The odds of it being right would be greatly in my favor.
Our experts go silent and everyone wants to be the new "source"
This is no different than the people who run and post everything a model is out of stock thinking that it means something. Everyone wants to be able to post "I called it!" .
All Eldar having so much finecast means is that they will see a large payday when they release their next sets.

And for the record Legion of the Damned. 100% Finecast, just got an updated codex. Inquisition for that matter .

 StupidYellow wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
What happened to the February white dwarf? Usually I would've gotten it last week but I haven't even seen pics of it...

I believe it's a week later this month, so next Monday according to the LGS guy i know.

Thank you!

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
I'll eat my hat if two of the eldar characters don't turn out to be Malys and Yriel.

I don't own a hat either, so i'll have to go and buy one just to eat it. I'm feeling confident. Make it a sombrero.

I am with you on this. Emissary is almost certainly Malys.
Visarch is probably Yriel given his cliff-hanger story arch and connection to Veilwalker, but I'd be ok with Arhra as well. Both require a bit of explanation, but nothing completely rules them out.
It would be a wasted opportunity to create wholly new characters rather then to breath life into existing ones.

I kinda wish people would get over that fact that he doesn't have the spear or yellow armour. If a god has just been born and Yriel has become it's right hand, then he could be completely different in appearance. Because, ya know plot advancement and all.
it could just as easily turn out to be a completely different character, but being Yriel ties up a nice plot thread and reinvigorates an otherwise boring character (in-game at least)

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 Red Corsair wrote:
An a wasted opportunity it may be but it hasn't stopped them before.

It is unfortunate how true this statement is.

Still, GW has gotten better lately and we do see stuff eventually. The new sleek plastic Jetbikes were teased years earlier and we finally got those (although some would have preferred not to since they gave every model a heavy weapon). And we are slowly starting to get plastic Greater Daemons.
Given the track record of GW, we don't always see these come out "when it makes sense" but we do see them eventually. I'd almost wager that Plastic Aspects have been designed....but we wont see them for Fracture of Biel-Tan.

I wouldn't consider the plastic jet bikes to be a win since it is reason 1/2 for the majority of Eldar hate.

Honestly, the Finecast Aspect Warrior are pretty good looking in the first place. Replacing them isn't overly warranted. I certainly wouldn't expect 8 new kits. Maybe they could do something like the Space Wolf pack kit, where it forms the basis of most of the SW kits, but even that would be pretty unlikely.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I wouldn't consider the plastic jet bikes to be a win since it is reason 1/2 for the majority of Eldar hate.

Honestly, the Finecast Aspect Warrior are pretty good looking in the first place. Replacing them isn't overly warranted. I certainly wouldn't expect 8 new kits. Maybe they could do something like the Space Wolf pack kit, where it forms the basis of most of the SW kits, but even that would be pretty unlikely.

Truthfully, the Aspect Warriors need a revamp. The molds are old and the wear has definitely shown.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I wouldn't consider the plastic jet bikes to be a win since it is reason 1/2 for the majority of Eldar hate.

And didn't it take like 7 years before they released them anyway? I remember Jes Goodwin saying in an interview when they release the DE reavers say they designed them alongside the CWE one, which they showed a mock-up of at Gamesday 2007. Didn't get released unit 2014/15 I think.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I wouldn't consider the plastic jet bikes to be a win since it is reason 1/2 for the majority of Eldar hate.

Honestly, the Finecast Aspect Warrior are pretty good looking in the first place. Replacing them isn't overly warranted. I certainly wouldn't expect 8 new kits. Maybe they could do something like the Space Wolf pack kit, where it forms the basis of most of the SW kits, but even that would be pretty unlikely.

Truthfully, the Aspect Warriors need a revamp. The molds are old and the wear has definitely shown.

The same could be said for 99% of the Finecast kits. But here we are. I would be fine if they did, since most of the Aspects look awesome, but I wouldn't count on it.

I am partial to Dire Avengers anyway (though Striking Scorpions are frickin' awesome as hell). Call me crazy, but if I had started Eldar, I probably would build a pretty awful army since I don't like most of their broken crap.

 ImAGeek wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I suppose you have Archer variants of things on the AoS side - would the Tau be the last 40k example?

Yeah, Tzeentch for AoS just got the Tzaangor Skyfires/Tzaangor Enlightened (or whatever, Tzaangor on Discs). Genestealer Cults Acolyte Hybrid kit makes two units.

I'm not sure I would call a simple weapon swap a dual kit (a la GC cultist/metamorph). For me a real dual kit was something like the shadow warriors and sisters of averlon. Completely different modeles look wise, but made with the same kit. Eldar aspect warriors would need something as dratic to make them look different enough from each other. And these kind of dual kits does seems to have fallen out of grace with GW.


As for the edlar range. It's weird that such a popular army is so badly treated. Would really need a whole makeover. Even a a lot of the plastic kit they have (guardians especially) would need to be redone.

 Galef wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
I'll eat my hat if two of the eldar characters don't turn out to be Malys and Yriel.

I don't own a hat either, so i'll have to go and buy one just to eat it. I'm feeling confident. Make it a sombrero.

I am with you on this. Emissary is almost certainly Malys.
Visarch is probably Yriel given his cliff-hanger story arch and connection to Veilwalker, but I'd be ok with Arhra as well. Both require a bit of explanation, but nothing completely rules them out.
It would be a wasted opportunity to create wholly new characters rather then to breath life into existing ones.

I kinda wish people would get over that fact that he doesn't have the spear or yellow armour. If a god has just been born and Yriel has become it's right hand, then he could be completely different in appearance. Because, ya know plot advancement and all.
it could just as easily turn out to be a completely different character, but being Yriel ties up a nice plot thread and reinvigorates an otherwise boring character (in-game at least)

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Yeah sword and red armour is just to throw people off the scent...because it's actually Yriel and he has a spear as his weapon option omfgbbq Shyamalan Twist!

I'd even be confident enough to open up the choice of which hat to eat to the general dakka public.

Sombrero? WW1 German helmet with a spike on top? That weird ozzy stetson with all the corks?

You name it and i'll eat it

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
I'll eat my hat if two of the eldar characters don't turn out to be Malys and Yriel.

I don't own a hat either, so i'll have to go and buy one just to eat it. I'm feeling confident. Make it a sombrero.

You'll have to wait, I hear they've got a shortage at Lidds after Gamgee dropped by to atone for his full exodite release predictions.

 Galef wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I wouldn't consider the plastic jet bikes to be a win since it is reason 1/2 for the majority of Eldar hate.

And didn't it take like 7 years before they released them anyway? I remember Jes Goodwin saying in an interview when they release the DE reavers say they designed them alongside the CWE one, which they showed a mock-up of at Gamesday 2007. Didn't get released unit 2014/15 I think.

Might have been even earlier than that they were done. They were done long time ago but just kept being pushed back over other releases like plastic wraithguard that had advantage of having entirely new unit in dual kit.

Phew! He'll have polished off all the Pith Helmets so hopefully i'll only get a flat-cap or two if i get it wrong

Sure I can find one of those nice beefeater hats for you to gnaw on lol.

Sure a few pages back someone was quoting about it not actually being malys or yriel, but certain characters may show up soon.

Which is a shame I guess as they seem perfect for both.



Either way, I'll be buying the "not malys" to convert into an inquisitor lol.

More stuff to add to my deathwatch and friends army.

 Jackal wrote:

Sure a few pages back someone was quoting about it not actually being malys or yriel, but certain characters may show up soon.

I can't find it now, but I saw someone screen capture a bit from the Facebook conversation with GW when these were revealed.
Someone asked them outright about the similarities between the Emissary and Lady Malys.
A GW rep gave a generic "That's a funny coincidence" or some such vague answer, or "These are all new" - Did that mean all new models (yes) or all new characters (maybe?)

People seem to be taking this as official denial that they are Malys or Yriel
I've taken it to mean GW likes to be sneaky and are avoiding and outright confirmation until they are ready.

It reminds me of the riddle about 2 coins making 30 cents and one of them isn't a Nickel......

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 streetsamurai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I suppose you have Archer variants of things on the AoS side - would the Tau be the last 40k example?

Yeah, Tzeentch for AoS just got the Tzaangor Skyfires/Tzaangor Enlightened (or whatever, Tzaangor on Discs). Genestealer Cults Acolyte Hybrid kit makes two units.

I'm not sure I would call a simple weapon swap a dual kit (a la GC cultist/metamorph). For me a real dual kit was something like the shadow warriors and sisters of averlon. Completely different modeles look wise, but made with the same kit. Eldar aspect warriors would need something as dratic to make them look different enough from each other. And these kind of dual kits does seems to have fallen out of grace with GW.

The Sisters of Avelorn are just weapon, front of the chest, and head swaps.

Exactly like the Metamorph/Acolyte set.

Don't get me wrong, both are great models and would be more than fitting for both characters.

But nothing surprises me anymore with them.

It could just as easy be them as it could 2 brand new unheard of characters.

Doesn't help malys was cut out of the current edition too (for no good reason, along with others)



While yriel doesnt have his signature gear, it's more than possible that resurrecting a God and being made their champion he would be given specific weapons and armour etc.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I suppose you have Archer variants of things on the AoS side - would the Tau be the last 40k example?

Yeah, Tzeentch for AoS just got the Tzaangor Skyfires/Tzaangor Enlightened (or whatever, Tzaangor on Discs). Genestealer Cults Acolyte Hybrid kit makes two units.

I'm not sure I would call a simple weapon swap a dual kit (a la GC cultist/metamorph). For me a real dual kit was something like the shadow warriors and sisters of averlon. Completely different modeles look wise, but made with the same kit. Eldar aspect warriors would need something as dratic to make them look different enough from each other. And these kind of dual kits does seems to have fallen out of grace with GW.

The Sisters of Avelorn are just weapon, front of the chest, and head swaps.

Exactly like the Metamorph/Acolyte set.

metamorphs have the same front as the hybrid.

 Kanluwen wrote:

The Sisters of Avelorn are just weapon, front of the chest, and head swaps.

Exactly like the Metamorph/Acolyte set.

So would a well designed/matched Aspect Warrior box

Reapers and Dragons would literally just need to be head & gun swaps. The arms could be exactly the same with a bit of redesign
Hawks & Banshees would share the same legs and torsos, with 5 female fronts & 1-2 male fronts. 5 gun arms, 5 pistol/power sword arms & different heads + 5 sets of Hawk wings
Scorpions & Spiders would be the same.

None of those combos would have as much plastic/sprue needed as the current Necron Lych Guard/Praetorians. Which I might note is a box that makes Infantry or Jump Infantry and each have 2 different weapon loadouts for 4 unique unit builds in the same box. Only $33 for 5

It's not only possible, its practical. GW keeps letting the ball drop on this one.

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 streetsamurai wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I suppose you have Archer variants of things on the AoS side - would the Tau be the last 40k example?

Yeah, Tzeentch for AoS just got the Tzaangor Skyfires/Tzaangor Enlightened (or whatever, Tzaangor on Discs). Genestealer Cults Acolyte Hybrid kit makes two units.

I'm not sure I would call a simple weapon swap a dual kit (a la GC cultist/metamorph). For me a real dual kit was something like the shadow warriors and sisters of averlon. Completely different modeles look wise, but made with the same kit. Eldar aspect warriors would need something as dratic to make them look different enough from each other. And these kind of dual kits does seems to have fallen out of grace with GW.

The Sisters of Avelorn are just weapon, front of the chest, and head swaps.

Exactly like the Metamorph/Acolyte set.

metamorphs have the same front as the hybrid.

Fine, not EXACTLY like but don't pretend that the Sisters of Avelorn are some wildly different kit to the Shadow Warriors. I've built enough Shadow Warriors and Metamorphs/Acolytes to be able to say pretty confidently that it's not a huge difference.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

Vorian wrote:
I suppose you have Archer variants of things on the AoS side - would the Tau be the last 40k example?

Yeah, Tzeentch for AoS just got the Tzaangor Skyfires/Tzaangor Enlightened (or whatever, Tzaangor on Discs). Genestealer Cults Acolyte Hybrid kit makes two units.

I'm not sure I would call a simple weapon swap a dual kit (a la GC cultist/metamorph). For me a real dual kit was something like the shadow warriors and sisters of averlon. Completely different modeles look wise, but made with the same kit. Eldar aspect warriors would need something as dratic to make them look different enough from each other. And these kind of dual kits does seems to have fallen out of grace with GW.

The Sisters of Avelorn are just weapon, front of the chest, and head swaps.

Exactly like the Metamorph/Acolyte set.

metamorphs have the same front as the hybrid.

Splitting hairs a tad, the point stands. It might be a weapon swap, but it still makes 2 units.

 Galef wrote:

 Jackal wrote:

Sure a few pages back someone was quoting about it not actually being malys or yriel, but certain characters may show up soon.

I can't find it now, but I saw someone screen capture a bit from the Facebook conversation with GW when these were revealed.
Someone asked them outright about the similarities between the Emissary and Lady Malys.
A GW rep gave a generic "That's a funny coincidence" or some such vague answer, or "These are all new" - Did that mean all new models (yes) or all new characters (maybe?)

People seem to be taking this as official denial that they are Malys or Yriel
I've taken it to mean GW likes to be sneaky and are avoiding and outright confirmation until they are ready.

It reminds me of the riddle about 2 coins making 30 cents and one of them isn't a Nickel......

Spoiler:

the other one is

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Haha! I can just imaging the GW rep doing the 'Doctor Evil pinky-to-mouth' thing when he said that

It's blatantly Malys and Yriel.

Saying that. The beefeater hat has me worried :S pretty certain people shouldn't get hairballs...

heh!!!!????
You're the one splitting hairs. Don't tell me that you don't see that there is a bigger difference between these models








than between these

 streetsamurai wrote:
heh!!!!????
You're the one splitting hairs. Don't tell me that you don't see that there is a bigger difference between these models

Spoiler:

than between these

Spoiler:

Head and arm swaps, head and arm swaps.

The elven ones also have different paint jobs, but that ain't on the modelling team.

Head and arm swaps are all it takes to make a new unit as far as i'm concerned provided it's a unified look that's distinct from the other unit

changemod wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
heh!!!!????
You're the one splitting hairs. Don't tell me that you don't see that there is a bigger difference between these models

Spoiler:

than between these

Spoiler:

Head and arm swaps, head and arm swaps.

The elven ones also have different paint jobs, but that ain't on the modelling team.

no they have differeny bodies also

 streetsamurai wrote:

changemod wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
heh!!!!????
You're the one splitting hairs. Don't tell me that you don't see that there is a bigger difference between these models

Spoiler:

than between these

Spoiler:

Head and arm swaps, head and arm swaps.

The elven ones also have different paint jobs, but that ain't on the modelling team.

no they have differeny bodies also

Technically totally different factions now to boot, although that's a byproduct of sigmaring.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Head and arm swaps are all it takes to make a new unit as far as i'm concerned provided it's a unified look that's distinct from the other unit

And since Aspect Warrirors are also intended to have varied paint schemes, kits could work as just head & arm swaps.
Heck, they all have the same stat line to boot (just the armour and wargear is different). Most dual kits make units with slightly more varied stat lines

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