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Dudeface wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

changemod wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
heh!!!!????
You're the one splitting hairs. Don't tell me that you don't see that there is a bigger difference between these models

Spoiler:

than between these

Spoiler:

Head and arm swaps, head and arm swaps.

The elven ones also have different paint jobs, but that ain't on the modelling team.

no they have differeny bodies also

Technically totally different factions now to boot, although that's a byproduct of sigmaring.

Actually they are part of the same faction, but different "sectorials" or alleigances. You can take them in the same army without a problem.

I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere in the thread and may be completely irrelevant.

But I recall reading in the Covens supplement fluff about an off-shoot Covens group (Phoenex) who are actively trying to bring the extinction of the Eldar to raise Ynnead, and have groups of harlequins and some craftworld spiritual leaders on board.

I can dig up a quote if needed.

Maybe they will have some part to play in the plot advancement of this book? Maybe a Covens tie to Biel-tan?
I know this doesn't tie in with the the characters being released as they clearly aren't Covens, but just a thought.

So this doesn't look eldar at all it looks more Dark Eldar/daemon. I'm not impressed at all and am quite let down. And what's this garbage about creating a new god who looks like slaneeshs kid sister. I haven't read any of the books but just from the design of the model it looks typical and boring.

Its a Chaos Eldar. I'd already posted a post about it, but someone took it on themselves to remove it.

To repost about it, Some of the Eldar were caught halfway within the warp/ destroyed Eye of terror area when Slannish was born.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar

This is partial of the info that I remember back in the day when I first started playing back in 2d edition.

They were on par with Spock, or Vulcans , from Star Trek, where they had to keep their emotions in check, because deep within, they were wild, and subject to extremes.

THIS is going to be about the tiered forces with different goals within the "Gathering Storm" thing...

You look into the ones that were established, the Ulthwé, the Saim-Hann, and the Harlequin troupes, the background hinted at it, but didn't really delve into it since, second editions codex, where there were some carry overs from Rogue Trader.

Much like Chaos Space marines, I suspect that we will be seeing some ... alternative Eldar, with a new names and chaos induced iconography...

Dark Eldar are, "Dark Eldar", they aren't chaos. THESE new ones should be dyed in the wool chaos elder.

 insaniak wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yeah that guy on a bunch of swirly gak who can't decide if he wants to be a C'tan or a giant Daemonette isn't a great model.

How can you say that? He has swirly gak!

Swirly gak, man!

More like the swirly gak has a man !

the_scotsman wrote:

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
I'll eat my hat if two of the eldar characters don't turn out to be Malys and Yriel.

I don't own a hat either, so i'll have to go and buy one just to eat it. I'm feeling confident. Make it a sombrero.

You'll have to wait, I hear they've got a shortage at Lidds after Gamgee dropped by to atone for his full exodite release predictions.

Nearly spat my Timmies all over my monitor.

The next 40k livestream can't come soon enough

Also, don't mess with Rob

http://riotvilleonfire.blogspot.de/2016/12/so-have-you-ever-wanted-to-punch.html

 Grot 6 wrote:
Its a Chaos Eldar. I'd already posted a post about it, but someone took it on themselves to remove it.

To repost about it, Some of the Eldar were caught halfway within the warp/ destroyed Eye of terror area when Slannish was born.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar

This is partial of the info that I remember back in the day when I first started playing back in 2d edition.

They were on par with Spock, or Vulcans , from Star Trek, where they had to keep their emotions in check, because deep within, they were wild, and subject to extremes.

THIS is going to be about the tiered forces with different goals within the "Gathering Storm" thing...

You look into the ones that were established, the Ulthwé, the Saim-Hann, and the Harlequin troupes, the background hinted at it, but didn't really delve into it since, second editions codex, where there were some carry overs from Rogue Trader.

Much like Chaos Space marines, I suspect that we will be seeing some ... alternative Eldar, with a new names and chaos induced iconography...

Dark Eldar are, "Dark Eldar", they aren't chaos. THESE new ones should be dyed in the wool chaos elder.

Where are you getting this information from?

 Grot 6 wrote:
Its a Chaos Eldar. I'd already posted a post about it, but someone took it on themselves to remove it.

To repost about it, Some of the Eldar were caught halfway within the warp/ destroyed Eye of terror area when Slannish was born.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar

This is partial of the info that I remember back in the day when I first started playing back in 2d edition.

They were on par with Spock, or Vulcans , from Star Trek, where they had to keep their emotions in check, because deep within, they were wild, and subject to extremes.

THIS is going to be about the tiered forces with different goals within the "Gathering Storm" thing...

You look into the ones that were established, the Ulthwé, the Saim-Hann, and the Harlequin troupes, the background hinted at it, but didn't really delve into it since, second editions codex, where there were some carry overs from Rogue Trader.

Much like Chaos Space marines, I suspect that we will be seeing some ... alternative Eldar, with a new names and chaos induced iconography...

Dark Eldar are, "Dark Eldar", they aren't chaos. THESE new ones should be dyed in the wool chaos elder.

Does not make much sense I am afraid. If it was Chaos Eldar harking back to the old days then the Avatar would be a Deamon Prince or a Greater Daemon not an Avatar of the slumbering Eldar god that various people have been waiting for and who Eldrad (being a complete Teclis like tool) has cooked up his awakening.

Agreed the Eldar path is there to stop craftworlders becoming slaves to their emotions etc - but this is not always successful - hence Corsairs.

It would be unlikely that some cults to Chaos have not arisen in the millennia since the fall but I do not see that this release would represent any of them - I guess later ones could do.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Its a Chaos Eldar. I'd already posted a post about it, but someone took it on themselves to remove it.

To repost about it, Some of the Eldar were caught halfway within the warp/ destroyed Eye of terror area when Slannish was born.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar

This is partial of the info that I remember back in the day when I first started playing back in 2d edition.

They were on par with Spock, or Vulcans , from Star Trek, where they had to keep their emotions in check, because deep within, they were wild, and subject to extremes.

THIS is going to be about the tiered forces with different goals within the "Gathering Storm" thing...

You look into the ones that were established, the Ulthwé, the Saim-Hann, and the Harlequin troupes, the background hinted at it, but didn't really delve into it since, second editions codex, where there were some carry overs from Rogue Trader.

Much like Chaos Space marines, I suspect that we will be seeing some ... alternative Eldar, with a new names and chaos induced iconography...

Dark Eldar are, "Dark Eldar", they aren't chaos. THESE new ones should be dyed in the wool chaos elder.

While I do think you're onto something here, and you're dead-right about Dark Eldar, I don't think you quite hit it right.

What the Eldar are doing with Ynnead is, semantics aside, birthing a Chaos God of Death out of sheer desperation. Chaos Gods are formed of the amalgamated souls of billions of mortals. Eldar gods are exactly the same, except that the souls that form them are eldar in origin.

Avatars are Greater Daemons of Khaine in every sense. Greater Daemons are a portion of a Chaos God's power split off and manifested in the materium. Split a Chaos God enough times, and you get no Chaos God but a bunch of daemonic Avatars.

The only thing that separates them from the Chaos Gods is semantics.

So, with that in mind, it makes absolute sense that the Avatar of this new Chaos God is quasi-daemonic in nature. They're Craftworld/Dark Eldar through and through, but imbued with daemonic energy from their nascent Warp God

'Chaos Eldar' from 2nd haven't been mentioned since, and I think are about as unlikely to reappear as a faction as Zoats. While I absolutely love the idea, and some people have done some really cool things with Eldar still living in the Eye, I don't think that's what these guys are. It just doesn't fit right.

Neat idea though

It's an Eldar God of the dead. Exactly as Khaine, Cegorach, Vaul, Isha, etc were Eldar Gods. They are different things to the Chaos Gods, even if both are warp entities.

EDIT: I suppose actually this is untrue. Slaanesh and Ynnead are more the coalescing type Gods, whereas the other Eldar Gods are different. Interesting...

Avatars are different to greater Daemons too - they are actual fragments of Khaine. It remains to be seen how the Ynnead Avatar actually works.

These new things are seemingly nothing to do with Chaos Eldar - though it would be fascinating to see what they could do with those. Even as a big fan of the Eldar I would struggle to justify a 6th Eldar faction though! Haha.

From Blog for the Blood God on FB



https://www.facebook.com/BlogForTheBloodGod/photos/pb.1433169386929903.-2207520000.1485344420./1862206167359554/?type=3&theater

I have no idea if this is reliable

Vorian wrote:
It's an Eldar God of the dead. Exactly as Khaine, Cegorach, Vaul, Isha, etc were Eldar Gods. They are different things to the Chaos Gods, even if both are warp entities.

EDIT: I suppose actually this is untrue. Slaanesh and Ynnead are more the coalescing type Gods, whereas the other Eldar Gods are different. Interesting...

Avatars are different to greater Daemons too - they are actual fragments of Khaine. It remains to be seen how the Ynnead Avatar actually works.

These new things are seemingly nothing to do with Chaos Eldar - though it would be fascinating to see what they could do with those. Even as a big fan of the Eldar I would struggle to justify a 6th Eldar faction though! Haha.

You've hit the nail on the head with Slaanesh Began as an Eldar God, but branched out into other souls and is now classified as a Chaos God it's not even as if you can draw the distinction that Eldar Gods are good to Eldar, and Chaos Gods aren't. Khaine tried to wipe out the eldar, while Asuryan and most of the pantheon stood by and did precisely nothing. It's also stated that the Gods fought on both sides during the War in Heaven, for and against the Eldar.

The only difference between the Eldar Gods and the Chaos Gods is that the former is constructed solely of Eldar psychic energy. That's a brilliant part of the arrogance and hypocrisy of the Eldar. They're staunchly opposed to the Chaos Gods, but venerate their own pantheon which is functionally the same thing. It's a lot less clear-cut than your usual god-structure which fits perfectly into the grey-area feel of 40k

The thing about Greater Daemons is that they are actual fragments of their patron God too. In order to make a Greater Daemon, they fracture off a portion of their own energy and form it into another distinct being. The only difference with Khaine is that he's so fractured that he's no longer present as a distinct entity

Perhaps that gives us some insight into how it's actually possible to destroy a Chaos God: fracture them into so many bickering Greater Daemons that the coalesced energy in the warp is no longer sentient...

Ooh! I've just had a lightbulb moment. Not saying it's likely to be true, but what if...



Oh, and I too love the idea of Croneworld Eldar, especially if they're approached with a little more imagination than 'chaos-worshipping eldar) spoilered as it's pretty off-topic:



Ibushi over on 40kOnline has a cool Croneworld army as well

So we have moved from the topic at hand, to AoSing, to wish listing, to Chaos, to Chaos Wishlisting and now Fan fictioning?
Really?

 BloodGrin wrote:
So we have moved from the topic at hand, to AoSing, to wish listing, to Chaos, to Chaos Wishlisting and now Fan fictioning?
Really?

You missed out the pointless moaning and nagging of people.

Yep, by the looks of things.

Oh, and 'fan fictioning' is an unnecessarily derogatory term for what people come up with in 40k, when the whole idea of 40k is to come up with a story for your dudes.

As I've said previously, it'll steer itself back on track when we get some actual new information about things (apparently there's a discussion taking place on the tubes tomorrow). Til then, relax and just go where the discussion takes you there's a note in the top of the thread as to which page the last piece of solid news is.

SeanDrake wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:
So we have moved from the topic at hand, to AoSing, to wish listing, to Chaos, to Chaos Wishlisting and now Fan fictioning?
Really?

You missed out the pointless moaning and nagging of people.

Haha!*

*imagine the way Jimmy Carr laughs that

Warhams-77 wrote:
From Blog for the Blood God on FB

https://www.facebook.com/BlogForTheBloodGod/photos/pb.1433169386929903.-2207520000.1485344420./1862206167359554/?type=3&theater

I have no idea if this is reliable

So Abaddon and two Khorne dudes. Hard to say if true since Abaddon is a given and they could have just pulled the names of the other two from the literature. One thing against it is that we got things that are completely new in the first two boxes so I wouldn't be expecting to have already heard of all three characters in the next box.

I feel like there should be representatives of all the gods with Abbaddon, but if GW are sticking to the triumvirate thing then I guess that won't be happening.

Is Abaddon's model on the older side of things?

Celestine had an outdated model which was replaced in the Imperial Triumvirate. If Abby's getting a little arthritic they might do the same.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Is Abaddon's model on the older side of things?

Celestine had an outdated model which was replaced in the Imperial Triumvirate. If Abby's getting a little arthritic they might do the same.

Abby is more than a little arthritic, he's beginning to mummify or even to shrivel to nothing but dust. He needs as much a new model as Phoenix kings, Mephisto and friends...

Solid contender then

Anyone else in the Chaos range a little worse for wear?

Current Abaddon model is going on at least 18 years. When I started the hobby in 1999 that was his model.

I guarantee he will be redone.

A new Abbadon would make sense to go with the 13th Black Crusade/Gathering Storm stuff coming out. I hope the books are good. The story so far is interesting. The introduction 1-page story to Trazyn the Infinite in Fall of Cadia was pretty funny.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
Solid contender then

Anyone else in the Chaos range a little worse for wear?

Kharn and Ahriman had recent updates so the only other character still rocking a 2nd ed model is Fabius, but I don't think we should be looking at current characters for ideas of who will be in the Chaos triumvirate, besides Abaddon of course.

At this point, I'm tempted to try a 'round up' thread, covering the events leading up to, during and beyond Fall of Cadia.

I'm thinking that rather than a comprehensive rehashing, a 'if want you know about Tau, read Kauyon and Mont'ka' - so pointers, and perhaps brief spoiler descriptions for those just wanting the meat and bones?

Would be a shame to have two Khorne-followers with him, though. Unless they took the opportunity to update some of the CSM range. But like new plastic aspect warriors, im not holding my breath.

 PhillyT wrote:
Current Abaddon model is going on at least 18 years. When I started the hobby in 1999 that was his model.

I guarantee he will be redone.

Olderer than that. 1996 I believe - I remember that because GCSE's, and it was when, I, err.....'became a man'

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
At this point, I'm tempted to try a 'round up' thread, covering the events leading up to, during and beyond Fall of Cadia.

I'm thinking that rather than a comprehensive rehashing, a 'if want you know about Tau, read Kauyon and Mont'ka' - so pointers, and perhaps brief spoiler descriptions for those just wanting the meat and bones?

That's a good idea dude

You can edit the OP with any new information so it's always there at the top, and if the discussion wanders away beneath it it doesn't matter

Honestly Abadont was a pretty rough sculpt even in the mid 90's and time has not been kind.

Not Nagash bad but still pretty bad.

 Ynneadwraith wrote:
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The thing about Greater Daemons is that they are actual fragments of their patron God too. In order to make a Greater Daemon, they fracture off a portion of their own energy and form it into another distinct being. The only difference with Khaine is that he's so fractured that he's no longer present as a distinct entity

Perhaps that gives us some insight into how it's actually possible to destroy a Chaos God: fracture them into so many bickering Greater Daemons that the coalesced energy in the warp is no longer sentient...

I don't actually recall this anywhere in the fluff in 20 years of play (I could very well me wrong, I hasten to add). As far as I am aware, Greater Daemons are just extra power along the same alignment as that which forms a god as opposed to a fragment. The implication being that a Chaos God would have to 'break' itself to create a GD were they to be a fragment. As I understood it, they were just extra and this is further supported by the fact that in current fluff, mortals can be elevated to GD's according to the wiki's etc. There's so much rage that Khorne is abundantly able to make Bloodthirsters without compromising himself. This then feeds into the idea that for Khaine to actually provide his species with any fighting chance, actually had to fracture himself to provide a significantly powerful warrior on par with these great gods who are the strongest divinity's in all iterations of Warhammer and who just toss out powerful servants like they're nothing. I saw it as a part of the whole tragedy angle of the Eldar. GD's are just big, powerful daemons that feed off the same emotions as a god and the avatar is literally an avatar.

On topic anyway....


Surely a Chaos Triumvirate would be Typhus, Abaddon and Zaraphiston? Abby being the big center piece, though I hope they don't do some pre-set pose, tons of extra 'area effect' cartoon model like with the rest.

Isn't the Black Legion the only one with Berserkers outside of the World Eaters? It would make sense that they have a lot of Khorne followers, then - especially since he's the in universe most powerful god, at the moment.