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2017/01/18 09:27:22
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
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So, at the end of Fall of Cadia, Cadia has, well, fallen, and it's Pylon network is defunct.
This has of course allowed The Eye of Terror to expand, with the suggestion being that Abaddon's previous Crusades have wrecked Pylon networks leading to Terra's door - and that The Eye is going to expand down that route.
That means the biggest warp breach in realspace is about to get an awful lot bigger.....
How might that affect Tyranids? I'm not all that up on their background - has Tyranid/Warp Storm interaction been covered before?
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The I know there was one story in the Tyranid codex in which their shadow in the warp weakened a daemonic incursion. I'm not sure how it would affect an entire warp storm but I wouldn't be surprised if they trumped it.
Ironically enough, the Tyranids may prove to be the Imperium's salvation.
The Tyranids cause massive feedback towards entities of the warp, including Psykers that are not their own. If they arrive in force, the Shadow of the Warp that they generate will effectively nullify Daemonic incursions, as well as preventing both Chaos and Imperial Psykers from operating effectively.
General Annoyance wrote: The Tyranids cause massive feedback towards entities of the warp, including Psykers that are not their own. If they arrive in force, the Shadow of the Warp that they generate will effectively nullify Daemonic incursions, as well as preventing both Chaos and Imperial Psykers from operating effectively.
Local smaller incursions sure. Are you implying that nids are so anathema to the warp that they could simply fly into the EoT and that would be lights out for the big four?
I really don't see it.
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2017/01/18 14:45:16
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Local smaller incursions sure. Are you implying that nids are so anathema to the warp that they could simply fly into the EoT and that would be lights out for the big four?
I really don't see it.
Not at all, but they'd cause major issues for both the Forces of Chaos and the Imperium simply with their presence.
I doubt they'd fly into the Eye of Terror anyway - all the biomass that they'd be after would be on the Imperial Worlds in that system, not in the Warp.
Tyranids represent ultimate Order, total obedience to a single guiding will. The Shadow in the warp is the antithesis of Chaos. They are utterly opposite and both seek the same prey.
So it depends on who shows up with the most strength at any confrontation, the extragalactic predator, or the extradimensional one...
Not at all, but they'd cause major issues for both the Forces of Chaos and the Imperium simply with their presence.
I doubt they'd fly into the Eye of Terror anyway - all the biomass that they'd be after would be on the Imperial Worlds in that system, not in the Warp.
The Eye of Terror has plenty of biomass.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:So it depends on who shows up with the most strength at any confrontation, the extragalactic predator, or the extradimensional one...
This fellow has the right idea. There isn't going to be a "this side always beats this side" style situation.
2017/01/18 16:33:09
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
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Also raises the question of how well do Tyranids perceive Daemonic presence when not planetside?
I mean, being an inherently psychic race, you'd imagine that Synpase creatures can see them just fine, and relay that to the little'uns. But on a proper-proper Daemon World, how long before the Hive Fleet realises there's insufficient, non-corrupted biomass to justify the assault, and circumvent? And what happens to Nids in warpstorm, as assumedly they don't have geller field equivalents.
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Hmm I suspect Tyranid fan boys here... The Shadow of the Warp is not something which nullifies the Warp, it's the Tyranid utilizing it to such a degree, that nothing else will be able to utilize it as well... outside the Warp. Inside the Warp, the Tyranid communication will not block anything as everything will be surrounded by the Warp.
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2017/01/18 22:23:00
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Correct my ignorance here, but I was always under the impression the Tyranids developed "The shadow of the warp" as a means to nullify psykers in a subtle way, as to hide the fact their planet was next on the Tyranids biomass buffet?
Or has the fluff changed during the 15 years I've been away from 40k?
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2017/01/18 22:32:36
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Freddy Kruger wrote: Correct my ignorance here, but I was always under the impression the Tyranids developed "The shadow of the warp" as a means to nullify psykers in a subtle way, as to hide the fact their planet was next on the Tyranids biomass buffet?
Or has the fluff changed during the 15 years I've been away from 40k?
The Shadows of the Warp is an incidental affect of the ENORMOUS presence that the Hive Mind has over warp control. They are not direct anathema to daemons, but daemons will flicker and struggle to maintain their form in realspace while under the blanket of shadows.
Nids avoid warp storms more like an animal avoiding dangerous terrain, more than for any other reason, as Nids do not utilize warp travel. They use an organism deemed a narwal that literally gravity tethers itself and the fleet to a large gravitational source like a planetary system, and "pulls" them all to it.
That being said, if a hive fleet arrived anywhere near abby's forces, they would be in SERIOUS trouble, as not only would it disable their telepathic communications, but any daemonic allies would start to fizzle. Though granted, this would also be bad for EVERYONE ELSE in the area as well...tyranids are very proactive, they dont discriminate who they choose to eat hahahaha
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2017/01/18 22:43:55
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Now I’ve got this image of strategically placed space stations around the Eye of Terror, packed full of “subdued” nids, using the shadow of the warp in a controlled manor to stabilize warp space.
Because absolutely nothing could go wrong with a setup like that.
What’s that blinking red status light in bay 15? Better send someone to check it out...
Tyranids don't nullify the warp, they just create so much chatter that everything else just fizzles away. Like static on the radio. Every synaptic command is a telepathic bow-wave, and the massive overlapping web of that can take over the shallow-warp and cause Daemons of the Deep-Warp to loose cohesion.
2017/01/18 23:27:58
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
gameandwatch wrote: The Shadows of the Warp is an incidental affect of the ENORMOUS presence that the Hive Mind has over warp control. They are not direct anathema to daemons, but daemons will flicker and struggle to maintain their form in realspace while under the blanket of shadows.
Nids avoid warp storms more like an animal avoiding dangerous terrain, more than for any other reason, as Nids do not utilize warp travel. They use an organism deemed a narwal that literally gravity tethers itself and the fleet to a large gravitational source like a planetary system, and "pulls" them all to it.
That being said, if a hive fleet arrived anywhere near abby's forces, they would be in SERIOUS trouble, as not only would it disable their telepathic communications, but any daemonic allies would start to fizzle. Though granted, this would also be bad for EVERYONE ELSE in the area as well...tyranids are very proactive, they dont discriminate who they choose to eat hahahaha
So, in essence the 'Nids "shadow of the warp" is like their own personal psychic network area, and like a pirate radio show, they "hijack" other psychic channels by being a massively powerful local area broadcast on the spread thin psychic resonance from the eye of terror?
I can dig that.
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2017/01/18 23:41:50
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
And now is the plot twist where we find out necron pariahs were never removed, but trazyn had them kept safe for this sort of event.
You know, since he's now an imperial friend and all lol.
ALEXisAWESOME wrote: Tyranids don't nullify the warp, they just create so much chatter that everything else just fizzles away. Like static on the radio. Every synaptic command is a telepathic bow-wave, and the massive overlapping web of that can take over the shallow-warp and cause Daemons of the Deep-Warp to loose cohesion.
In real space yes. But Tyranids entering the warp might well find that their synaptic connection to the hive mind is overpowered by the junk and chatter of daemons
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2017/01/19 09:15:01
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Another thing to consider - the 'Nids were drawn to our galaxy by the Astronomicon.
If the Emperor dies (or is reborn), the 'Nids may go hunt another galaxy if there is no more beacon - I almost bet that's how they'll explain them not devouring the galaxy at the end of this mess.
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2017/01/19 09:28:02
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Stormonu wrote: Another thing to consider - the 'Nids were drawn to our galaxy by the Astronomicon.
If the Emperor dies (or is reborn), the 'Nids may go hunt another galaxy if there is no more beacon - I almost bet that's how they'll explain them not devouring the galaxy at the end of this mess.
Technically, they were drawn by the Pharos exploding. The fact that they kept coming for 10000 years after that suggests that they're here until either they or the galaxy is wiped out.
Stormonu wrote: Another thing to consider - the 'Nids were drawn to our galaxy by the Astronomicon.
If the Emperor dies (or is reborn), the 'Nids may go hunt another galaxy if there is no more beacon - I almost bet that's how they'll explain them not devouring the galaxy at the end of this mess.
But now they're here the biomass everywhere must be enough to hold them.
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As a diehard Tyranid fan, my only hope is that we don't get trivialized by the Pokémon master.
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Beyond that scenario, I can't wait to see what happens. That being said... I'm pretty sure that blue Mary Sue with the toilet seat logo is going to be some sort of ambassador just by virtue that he's the only one who has ever actually tapped the hive mind and come out still sane. ...I hate him.
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2017/01/19 13:21:25
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Nevelon wrote: Now I’ve got this image of strategically placed space stations around the Eye of Terror, packed full of “subdued” nids, using the shadow of the warp in a controlled manor to stabilize warp space.
Because absolutely nothing could go wrong with a setup like that.
What’s that blinking red status light in bay 15? Better send someone to check it out...
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2017/01/19 13:45:16
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
I recall some fluff (from somewhere) about daemons fighting nids and both sides losing interest (I think the daemons disappear); nids because daemons have no biomass and daemons because nids don't have proper souls or blood.
2017/01/19 18:06:31
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Nevelon wrote: Now I’ve got this image of strategically placed space stations around the Eye of Terror, packed full of “subdued” nids, using the shadow of the warp in a controlled manor to stabilize warp space.
Because absolutely nothing could go wrong with a setup like that.
What’s that blinking red status light in bay 15? Better send someone to check it out...
Epic post.
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2017/01/20 09:10:50
Subject: The Eye is Leaking - Tyranids stuffed? (some FoC spoilers)
Nevelon wrote: Now I’ve got this image of strategically placed space stations around the Eye of Terror, packed full of “subdued” nids, using the shadow of the warp in a controlled manor to stabilize warp space.
Because absolutely nothing could go wrong with a setup like that.
What’s that blinking red status light in bay 15? Better send someone to check it out...
Epic post.
I would totally watch this movie!
I'll just leave this here. No reason.....
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Stormonu wrote: Another thing to consider - the 'Nids were drawn to our galaxy by the Astronomicon.
If the Emperor dies (or is reborn), the 'Nids may go hunt another galaxy if there is no more beacon - I almost bet that's how they'll explain them not devouring the galaxy at the end of this mess.
Technically, they were drawn by the Pharos exploding. The fact that they kept coming for 10000 years after that suggests that they're here until either they or the galaxy is wiped out.
The Pharos exploding? Not heard that story, anyone got a link?
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Stormonu wrote: Another thing to consider - the 'Nids were drawn to our galaxy by the Astronomicon.
If the Emperor dies (or is reborn), the 'Nids may go hunt another galaxy if there is no more beacon - I almost bet that's how they'll explain them not devouring the galaxy at the end of this mess.
Technically, they were drawn by the Pharos exploding. The fact that they kept coming for 10000 years after that suggests that they're here until either they or the galaxy is wiped out.
The Pharos exploding? Not heard that story, anyone got a link?
It's one of the HH novels, it's pretty good if only for all the insight we get into Curze's head.
“Far beyond the fringes of the galaxy there was naught but endless black.
Past the last few stray stars plying their lonely track through the cold night, past the dead worlds and the fragments of galactic collisions billions of years gone, past the probes sent out by extinct races recorded in no history… past all that and beyond, there was a night sea studded with the diamond islands of distant, lonely galaxies.
Though incomprehensibly vast, this sea was not empty. Great behemoths of the deep lurked there. Into the eternal blackness, a flash of quantum energy shone out at many times the speed of light; a brief flare, milliseconds in duration, projecting from an unremarkable spiral of stars.
It was not missed.
In the darkness, something of limitless hunger stirred in a slumber that had lasted for aeons. A million frozen and unblinking eyes saw the flash, tripping cascades of stimuli. Their purpose served, the eyes died.
The entity processed the message the eyes provided without ever truly awakening. Automatically, instinctively, its gargantuan, dreaming mind analysed the signal, comparing it against all parameters for the one thing it sought.
Prey.
Slowly, glacially, the great devourer shifted its course.”
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Unyielding Hunger wrote: As a diehard Tyranid fan, my only hope is that we don't get trivialized by the Pokémon master.
Ah... Trazyn, what brings you to this battlefield? Do you dare think to stand alone against my army of Daemon engines?
Hello Abbadon. I think you underestimate my collection. *pulls out a tesseract vault* Carnifexes, I choose you!
Beyond that scenario, I can't wait to see what happens. That being said... I'm pretty sure that blue Mary Sue with the toilet seat logo is going to be some sort of ambassador just by virtue that he's the only one who has ever actually tapped the hive mind and come out still sane. ...I hate him.
Don't feel too bad about it. He only managed to skim the surface of it and make some general observations (like the direction certain tendrils were moving in). He later has an encounter with a Maleceptor and it a) nearly cooks his brain and b) horrifies him with the realisation that he's totally underestimated the power and intelligence of the Hive Mind. It's only the power within Malcador's staff that shields him from a head explosion in the end.
The (not so widely read) fluff that came with Shield of Baal goes out of its way to play up the staggering size and power of the Hive Mind. I think it's a safe bet that GW will continue with that line, and that even if the Tyranids get beaten in a few key character-heavy warzones, they will continue to strip huge chunks of the galaxy. There are far more Hive Ships than there are heroes, after all
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