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2017/06/07 11:26:05
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Dew wrote: This is a hilarious idea.
Where can you order just the scarabs if I ever decide to be a total jackass and try this?
No way to order Scarabs directly. You make make 4 or so from the Obelisk/Tesseract box and the Warrior box contains 3 of them.
How about alternative models?
You can always get a few more 40mm bases and put 3 on instead of 4. That will get you a few more.
Forgeworld used to carry some fugly scarabs, but they aren't on the site anymore.
PuppetsWar has some cyber spiders that would work.
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skoffs wrote: The Frontline Gaming guys (the ones who helped play test the new rules on literally every unit) shared their thoughts on how each faction​ plays, tactically​.
Looking at their stuff for our stuff-
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2017/06/07 12:00:21
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Talking about IC for crons any of you guys seen that the storm Lord is only LD 9 ( in the couple books I've seen and all the online posts) you guys know if this is a typo?
All my monos are on bases some the standard clear plastic flight stands and a couple on same height metal ones ( broke a couple oops)
Still not a 100% how I will be fielding my crons, I know in my club what ever I bring I will hear nothing but OP this and OP that with out any of them actually playing against them or taking the time read the limitations that are inherent in our crons.
I do like the changes to QS, I feel mono / ob are just a tad too expensive for what they both do. But will try them.
I like how are flyer weapons ( tesla destructor are now two weapons so can hit two units if need be to help clear a landing area for troops.
Talking flyers to make them work slight better I may try to boost them With a stalker hitting a unit first to allow rerolls of 1s (expensive but meh!)
I do want to try zahndrekh and his counter tactics to remove synapse to force charges etc in my favour.
I def prefer flayed ones over wraiths always have and always will. Im Hoping the forge world have rules to play them even more dark and nasty.
I need to relook at a few things thou to get a better idea for alround play.
2017/06/07 12:22:06
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
click green "clone or download" button and "Download Zip", and extract it to your data folder which is usually c:/users/(your username)/Battlescribe/data
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2017/06/07 12:31:31
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Talking about IC for crons any of you guys seen that the storm Lord is only LD 9 ( in the couple books I've seen and all the online posts) you guys know if this is a typo?
All my monos are on bases some the standard clear plastic flight stands and a couple on same height metal ones ( broke a couple oops)
Still not a 100% how I will be fielding my crons, I know in my club what ever I bring I will hear nothing but OP this and OP that with out any of them actually playing against them or taking the time read the limitations that are inherent in our crons.
I do like the changes to QS, I feel mono / ob are just a tad too expensive for what they both do. But will try them.
I like how are flyer weapons ( tesla destructor are now two weapons so can hit two units if need be to help clear a landing area for troops.
Talking flyers to make them work slight better I may try to boost them With a stalker hitting a unit first to allow rerolls of 1s (expensive but meh!)
I do want to try zahndrekh and his counter tactics to remove synapse to force charges etc in my favour.
I def prefer flayed ones over wraiths always have and always will. Im Hoping the forge world have rules to play them even more dark and nasty.
I need to relook at a few things thou to get a better idea for alround play.
Welcome, Drewtavian!
FFG guys seemed to think that it was a typo, but no official word.
Weapons are measured from the hull, even though they have a base (same with Ghost Ark, etc). Technically, you wouldn't need to use the base at all for the Monolith. I've double based my Ghost Arks, so I like the change.
Yeah... there are already multiple threads on how the Necrons are broken (we're used to it... have been hearing it since the days of metal models.) Whatever.
I also like QS...
I had missed that the guns on our fliers are two different weapons... lemme check on that!
I prefer the Flayed Ones as well. They can act as an anvil... the rest of our units can be the hammer.
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2017/06/07 12:41:55
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Talking about IC for crons any of you guys seen that the storm Lord is only LD 9 ( in the couple books I've seen and all the online posts) you guys know if this is a typo?
All my monos are on bases some the standard clear plastic flight stands and a couple on same height metal ones ( broke a couple oops)
Still not a 100% how I will be fielding my crons, I know in my club what ever I bring I will hear nothing but OP this and OP that with out any of them actually playing against them or taking the time read the limitations that are inherent in our crons.
I do like the changes to QS, I feel mono / ob are just a tad too expensive for what they both do. But will try them.
I like how are flyer weapons ( tesla destructor are now two weapons so can hit two units if need be to help clear a landing area for troops.
Talking flyers to make them work slight better I may try to boost them With a stalker hitting a unit first to allow rerolls of 1s (expensive but meh!)
I do want to try zahndrekh and his counter tactics to remove synapse to force charges etc in my favour.
I def prefer flayed ones over wraiths always have and always will. Im Hoping the forge world have rules to play them even more dark and nasty.
I need to relook at a few things thou to get a better idea for alround play.
Welcome, Drewtavian!
FFG guys seemed to think that it was a typo, but no official word. Weapons are measured from the hull, even though they have a base (same with Ghost Ark, etc). Technically, you wouldn't need to use the base at all for the Monolith. I've double based my Ghost Arks, so I like the change. Yeah... there are already multiple threads on how the Necrons are broken (we're used to it... have been hearing it since the days of metal models.) Whatever. I also like QS... I had missed that the guns on our fliers are two different weapons... lemme check on that! I prefer the Flayed Ones as well. They can act as an anvil... the rest of our units can be the hammer.
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Yeah, the tesla destructors on the flyers are no longer twin linked. So you can actually fire at 3 targets with the doom scythe and 2 targets with the night. The deathray is a heavy weapon now though, which sucks, because you will always be hitting on 4s with it due to the fact that a flyer must always move. I suspect that might be an oversight.
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2017/06/07 12:47:49
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Talking about IC for crons any of you guys seen that the storm Lord is only LD 9 ( in the couple books I've seen and all the online posts) you guys know if this is a typo?
All my monos are on bases some the standard clear plastic flight stands and a couple on same height metal ones ( broke a couple oops)
Still not a 100% how I will be fielding my crons, I know in my club what ever I bring I will hear nothing but OP this and OP that with out any of them actually playing against them or taking the time read the limitations that are inherent in our crons.
I do like the changes to QS, I feel mono / ob are just a tad too expensive for what they both do. But will try them.
I like how are flyer weapons ( tesla destructor are now two weapons so can hit two units if need be to help clear a landing area for troops.
Talking flyers to make them work slight better I may try to boost them With a stalker hitting a unit first to allow rerolls of 1s (expensive but meh!)
I do want to try zahndrekh and his counter tactics to remove synapse to force charges etc in my favour.
I def prefer flayed ones over wraiths always have and always will. Im Hoping the forge world have rules to play them even more dark and nasty.
I need to relook at a few things thou to get a better idea for alround play.
Welcome, Drewtavian!
FFG guys seemed to think that it was a typo, but no official word.
Weapons are measured from the hull, even though they have a base (same with Ghost Ark, etc). Technically, you wouldn't need to use the base at all for the Monolith. I've double based my Ghost Arks, so I like the change.
Yeah... there are already multiple threads on how the Necrons are broken (we're used to it... have been hearing it since the days of metal models.) Whatever.
I also like QS...
I had missed that the guns on our fliers are two different weapons... lemme check on that!
I prefer the Flayed Ones as well. They can act as an anvil... the rest of our units can be the hammer.
Too true on the cron beat stick. Been collecting and playing since the early days too.
Too true on the mono etc measured from the hull, had to have a stand in my club thou for when ever it was immobilised.
skoffs wrote: The Frontline Gaming guys (the ones who helped play test the new rules on literally every unit) shared their thoughts on how each faction​ plays, tactically​.
Looking at their stuff for our stuff-
My idea is to have Zahn, Ori, O.lord, Lord and Cryptek in a "Deathstar" giving buffs to the units above. Put both 20 blob warriors to the left and right of the Dstar, my Immortals in front of the star as well. Ill use the Lynch to surround the HQs with in the star so that if my HQs get snipped I can (hopefully) 2+ the wound and put it on the lynch instead. i will then MWBD to the warriors to make them 2+ BS to get the most out of my warriors.
2 of the 5 scarabs units will be put at the back of the star to stop deepstriking units from coming up my rear and use the other scarab units to get objectives and hold up my enemies units.
2 units of deathmarks will be in reserve and will only go to the field (until turn 3) to damage my enemies DS units or units I am having trouble with. I imagine 20 shots in RF with 6s doing MW being clutch in stopping my enemy from taking out my HQs with snippers.
3 Res orbs are there for safety incase my lynch/immortals/warriors fall low in numbers.
The problem I am facing is what guns to put on the immortals and if I should invest in more scarabs by dropping a Res Orb and put those 35pts plus the 5 left over into an extra scarab unit or adding 1 to each of the scarabs I already have.
Thanks in-advance for the help.
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2017/06/07 14:13:02
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
My idea is to have Zahn, Ori, O.lord, Lord and Cryptek in a "Deathstar" giving buffs to the units above. Put both 20 blob warriors to the left and right of the Dstar, my Immortals in front of the star as well. Ill use the Lynch to surround the HQs with in the star so that if my HQs get snipped I can (hopefully) 2+ the wound and put it on the lynch instead. i will then MWBD to the warriors to make them 2+ BS to get the most out of my warriors.
2 of the 5 scarabs units will be put at the back of the star to stop deepstriking units from coming up my rear and use the other scarab units to get objectives and hold up my enemies units.
2 units of deathmarks will be in reserve and will only go to the field (until turn 3) to damage my enemies DS units or units I am having trouble with. I imagine 20 shots in RF with 6s doing MW being clutch in stopping my enemy from taking out my HQs with snippers.
3 Res orbs are there for safety incase my lynch/immortals/warriors fall low in numbers.
The problem I am facing is what guns to put on the immortals and if I should invest in more scarabs by dropping a Res Orb and put those 35pts plus the 5 left over into an extra scarab unit or adding 1 to each of the scarabs I already have.
Thanks in-advance for the help.
It's going to be very slow.
Not a lot of offence. I guess the Warriors will have to carry the army with weight of dice alone.
You could pull the extra Overlord out of the Battalion, make a 6th unit of Scarabs, and make a second Outrider detachment (three Scarab units in each) for an extra Command Point.
2017/06/07 14:26:44
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Charge everything. Everything you can't really hurt you just tie up. Everything you can hurt gets buried under dice. There is no speed problem because everything is quick moving or FOs from Hyperspace.
This is a cluster of blades and claws that'll leave the opponent saying "what".
2017/06/07 14:36:35
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
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My idea is to have Zahn, Ori, O.lord, Lord and Cryptek in a "Deathstar" giving buffs to the units above. Put both 20 blob warriors to the left and right of the Dstar, my Immortals in front of the star as well. Ill use the Lynch to surround the HQs with in the star so that if my HQs get snipped I can (hopefully) 2+ the wound and put it on the lynch instead. i will then MWBD to the warriors to make them 2+ BS to get the most out of my warriors.
2 of the 5 scarabs units will be put at the back of the star to stop deepstriking units from coming up my rear and use the other scarab units to get objectives and hold up my enemies units.
2 units of deathmarks will be in reserve and will only go to the field (until turn 3) to damage my enemies DS units or units I am having trouble with. I imagine 20 shots in RF with 6s doing MW being clutch in stopping my enemy from taking out my HQs with snippers.
3 Res orbs are there for safety incase my lynch/immortals/warriors fall low in numbers.
The problem I am facing is what guns to put on the immortals and if I should invest in more scarabs by dropping a Res Orb and put those 35pts plus the 5 left over into an extra scarab unit or adding 1 to each of the scarabs I already have.
Thanks in-advance for the help.
No Obyron with Zandrekh??
I don't think a third Res Orb is worth giving up Ghostwalk Mantle...
2017/06/07 14:44:49
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
My idea is to have Zahn, Ori, O.lord, Lord and Cryptek in a "Deathstar" giving buffs to the units above. Put both 20 blob warriors to the left and right of the Dstar, my Immortals in front of the star as well. Ill use the Lynch to surround the HQs with in the star so that if my HQs get snipped I can (hopefully) 2+ the wound and put it on the lynch instead. i will then MWBD to the warriors to make them 2+ BS to get the most out of my warriors.
2 of the 5 scarabs units will be put at the back of the star to stop deepstriking units from coming up my rear and use the other scarab units to get objectives and hold up my enemies units.
2 units of deathmarks will be in reserve and will only go to the field (until turn 3) to damage my enemies DS units or units I am having trouble with. I imagine 20 shots in RF with 6s doing MW being clutch in stopping my enemy from taking out my HQs with snippers.
3 Res orbs are there for safety incase my lynch/immortals/warriors fall low in numbers.
The problem I am facing is what guns to put on the immortals and if I should invest in more scarabs by dropping a Res Orb and put those 35pts plus the 5 left over into an extra scarab unit or adding 1 to each of the scarabs I already have.
Thanks in-advance for the help.
It's going to be very slow.
Not a lot of offence. I guess the Warriors will have to carry the army with weight of dice alone.
You could pull the extra Overlord out of the Battalion, make a 6th unit of Scarabs, and make a second Outrider detachment (three Scarab units in each) for an extra Command Point.
Im going to spoiler as reply is long.
Spoiler:
It will be slow but crons have always been slow. Our army is pretty resilient so I feel my opponent will have a hard time downing all the warriors with 5++ via Orikan and 4+ RP. I will just have to foot-slog the table and kill everything in my path and get as many objects as possible.
*Actually, that sparks a question about Orikans 5++. It affects Necron Infantry units within 6 inches and since all our HQs\Characters are Necron Infantry units/models are they also affected by the 5++ and Orikan can get buffed by the Crypteks 5++ against shooting?*
I feel like two MWBD will help the list a lot more then an extra CP point as I have 5 already. Also, to bring another detachment I would need a HQ as well so I dunno how to field 3x3 scarabs + lord (lowest value HQ) with dropping the Overlord.
I know everyone "dislikes" the C.Sypder but I think it would benefit the Dstar by going into the middle of it and spawning new Scarabs every turn even if they die. So a vanilla sypder is basically RP for Scarabs for 76pts. I think thats worth it.
Can the Sypder spawn the Scarabs to their actual limit of 9 or are you only able to spawn to what I field e.g. I field 1 unit of 6 Scarabs and I lose 2 bases. Do i spawn to 6 or can I spawn more then what I originally had?
Charge everything. Everything you can't really hurt you just tie up. Everything you can hurt gets buried under dice. There is no speed problem because everything is quick moving or FOs from Hyperspace.
This is a cluster of blades and claws that'll leave the opponent saying "what".
How do you deal with enemy screens? I'd be worried about getting mileage out of the Flayed Ones with min units easily able to be denied RP 15 Wraiths is a lot but they'll probably just get all the focus for mortal wounds and multi-damage. I don't think they're the hottest vehicle killers out so they might get tied up in a pinch.
2017/06/07 14:49:42
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Charge everything. Everything you can't really hurt you just tie up. Everything you can hurt gets buried under dice. There is no speed problem because everything is quick moving or FOs from Hyperspace.
This is a cluster of blades and claws that'll leave the opponent saying "what".
Well, if you're serious, first off your lists aren't using legal Outrider detachments.
Those restrict Elite choices to 0-2 per detachment. You've got 3 in each.
You could probably add a Vanguard Detachment if you throw in a 3rd Destroyer Lord (you'd have to free up points for it first, obviously).
2017/06/07 14:53:38
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
My idea is to have Zahn, Ori, O.lord, Lord and Cryptek in a "Deathstar" giving buffs to the units above. Put both 20 blob warriors to the left and right of the Dstar, my Immortals in front of the star as well. Ill use the Lynch to surround the HQs with in the star so that if my HQs get snipped I can (hopefully) 2+ the wound and put it on the lynch instead. i will then MWBD to the warriors to make them 2+ BS to get the most out of my warriors.
2 of the 5 scarabs units will be put at the back of the star to stop deepstriking units from coming up my rear and use the other scarab units to get objectives and hold up my enemies units.
2 units of deathmarks will be in reserve and will only go to the field (until turn 3) to damage my enemies DS units or units I am having trouble with. I imagine 20 shots in RF with 6s doing MW being clutch in stopping my enemy from taking out my HQs with snippers.
3 Res orbs are there for safety incase my lynch/immortals/warriors fall low in numbers.
The problem I am facing is what guns to put on the immortals and if I should invest in more scarabs by dropping a Res Orb and put those 35pts plus the 5 left over into an extra scarab unit or adding 1 to each of the scarabs I already have.
Thanks in-advance for the help.
No Obyron with Zandrekh??
I don't think a third Res Orb is worth giving up Ghostwalk Mantle...
Obyron has no place in the list imo. The lynch are with the HQs so he has noting to GWM to Zahndrekh and the lynch can 2+ shots hitting my HQs. I tried Obyron 1st but he didnt really do much besides take up 151pts as this list isn't melee heavy.
Obyron only protects Zahn on a 2+ while lynch protect all Characters on 2+. Obyron also = 5 lynch w/ scythes plus an extra point. Lynch also have RP and lots of Res Orbs is a lot of 'I'll be back".
My idea is to have Zahn, Ori, O.lord, Lord and Cryptek in a "Deathstar" giving buffs to the units above. Put both 20 blob warriors to the left and right of the Dstar, my Immortals in front of the star as well. Ill use the Lynch to surround the HQs with in the star so that if my HQs get snipped I can (hopefully) 2+ the wound and put it on the lynch instead. i will then MWBD to the warriors to make them 2+ BS to get the most out of my warriors.
2 of the 5 scarabs units will be put at the back of the star to stop deepstriking units from coming up my rear and use the other scarab units to get objectives and hold up my enemies units.
2 units of deathmarks will be in reserve and will only go to the field (until turn 3) to damage my enemies DS units or units I am having trouble with. I imagine 20 shots in RF with 6s doing MW being clutch in stopping my enemy from taking out my HQs with snippers.
3 Res orbs are there for safety incase my lynch/immortals/warriors fall low in numbers.
The problem I am facing is what guns to put on the immortals and if I should invest in more scarabs by dropping a Res Orb and put those 35pts plus the 5 left over into an extra scarab unit or adding 1 to each of the scarabs I already have.
Thanks in-advance for the help.
It's going to be very slow.
Not a lot of offence. I guess the Warriors will have to carry the army with weight of dice alone.
You could pull the extra Overlord out of the Battalion, make a 6th unit of Scarabs, and make a second Outrider detachment (three Scarab units in each) for an extra Command Point.
Im going to spoiler as reply is long.
Spoiler:
It will be slow but crons have always been slow. Our army is pretty resilient so I feel my opponent will have a hard time downing all the warriors with 5++ via Orikan and 4+ RP. I will just have to foot-slog the table and kill everything in my path and get as many objects as possible.
*Actually, that sparks a question about Orikans 5++. It affects Necron Infantry units within 6 inches and since all our HQs\Characters are Necron Infantry units/models are they also affected by the 5++ and Orikan can get buffed by the Crypteks 5++ against shooting?*
I feel like two MWBD will help the list a lot more then an extra CP point as I have 5 already. Also, to bring another detachment I would need a HQ as well so I dunno how to field 3x3 scarabs + lord (lowest value HQ) with dropping the Overlord.
I know everyone "dislikes" the C.Sypder but I think it would benefit the Dstar by going into the middle of it and spawning new Scarabs every turn even if they die. So a vanilla sypder is basically RP for Scarabs for 76pts. I think thats worth it.
Can the Sypder spawn the Scarabs to their actual limit of 9 or are you only able to spawn to what I field e.g. I field 1 unit of 6 Scarabs and I lose 2 bases. Do i spawn to 6 or can I spawn more then what I originally had?
1- Crons being slow is a distraction tactic we tell our opponents so they're not ready for all the speedy things we've got. If you play a slow army, you will probably lose out of objectives (you do have some Scarabs, though, so that's probably going to have to be their job).
2- Orikan's ability effects SAUTEKH Infantry. Careful of the distinction, there, as not all our HQ/Characters have the Sautekh faction. If they are, then yes, they will get the buff. He himself can also benefit from his own buff, as the rule does not say "other friendly Sautekh Infantry".
3- I'm not saying you should remove the Overlord, I'm saying he should become the HQ for a new detachment. You'll still have two MWBD buffers on the table, PLUS an extra Command Point.
4- If you're worried about losing a disposable cheap unit like Scarabs... well, okay.
5- Spyder only gives them back what they lost. If you started with 5 you cannot go above that number.
2017/06/07 15:05:23
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Obyron has no place in the list imo. The lynch are with the HQs so he has noting to GWM to Zahndrekh and the lynch can 2+ shots hitting my HQs. I tried Obyron 1st but he didnt really do much besides take up 151pts as this list isn't melee heavy.
Obyron only protects Zahn on a 2+ while lynch protect all Characters on 2+. Obyron also = 5 lynch w/ scythes plus an extra point. Lynch also have RP and lots of Res Orbs is a lot of 'I'll be back".
It's not the wound shifting that I think should be the reason, but the Ghostwalk Mantle. You already have a standard lord with Res Orb, that's almost his points. Res Orbs are good and all but GWM is one of the best pieces of Wargear in the game. It's a free action disengage for one of those blocks of warriors at minimum, I wouldn't overlook it without strong consideration.
Yes, necrons are slow...until they use their teleportation shenanigans to suddenly appear in your deployment zone and blow up your artillery.
Teleportation have always been a necron gimmick, a trade off for their traditional lack of mobility.
Which is why its a bit disappointing to see them lose the veil and the monolith recall, because that a big part of that tradition.
They still have some options, but its sad to see traditional staples go.
Are we allowed to tell them that on FB yet? I mean, I don't dislike the 8th necrons as they are, but I definitely dislike how they took away some of the old flavor. They already took our inertialess drives, now they want our teleportation? This makes me a saaad murderbot.
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2017/06/07 15:13:45
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Something I noticed after going over it finely because I kept bugging me that I was always misreading it.
Anrakyr and Imotekh are our only Overlord options that are able to hand out My Will Be Done to Triarch Praetorians. Which is a pretty big deal for it benefiting their both their shooting/assault - more AP-3 attacks, and +1 charge range.
2017/06/07 15:17:17
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Halfpast_Yellow wrote: Something I noticed after going over it finely because I kept bugging me that I was always misreading it.
Anrakyr and Imotekh are our only Overlord options that are able to hand out My Will Be Done to Triarch Praetorians. Which is a pretty big deal for it benefiting their both their shooting/assault - more AP-3 attacks, and +1 charge range.
And likewise, Szeras is the only one who can give them a 5++ save.
Really not liking the Faction restriction mechanic.
2017/06/07 15:20:23
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
Halfpast_Yellow wrote: Something I noticed after going over it finely because I kept bugging me that I was always misreading it.
Anrakyr and Imotekh are our only Overlord options that are able to hand out My Will Be Done to Triarch Praetorians. Which is a pretty big deal for it benefiting their both their shooting/assault - more AP-3 attacks, and +1 charge range.
And likewise, Szeras is the only one who can give them a 5++ save.
Really not liking the Faction restriction mechanic.
It makes sense fluff wise though.
The Praetorians are above the dynasties, so they technically aren't part of any faction. Not to mention that not all dynasties are sympathetic towards the triarch and Imotekh.
Whilst one may not agree with the current direction of the necron fluff, at least the rules are consistent with it.
What I have
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2017/06/07 15:41:14
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
My idea is to have Zahn, Ori, O.lord, Lord and Cryptek in a "Deathstar" giving buffs to the units above. Put both 20 blob warriors to the left and right of the Dstar, my Immortals in front of the star as well. Ill use the Lynch to surround the HQs with in the star so that if my HQs get snipped I can (hopefully) 2+ the wound and put it on the lynch instead. i will then MWBD to the warriors to make them 2+ BS to get the most out of my warriors.
2 of the 5 scarabs units will be put at the back of the star to stop deepstriking units from coming up my rear and use the other scarab units to get objectives and hold up my enemies units.
2 units of deathmarks will be in reserve and will only go to the field (until turn 3) to damage my enemies DS units or units I am having trouble with. I imagine 20 shots in RF with 6s doing MW being clutch in stopping my enemy from taking out my HQs with snippers.
3 Res orbs are there for safety incase my lynch/immortals/warriors fall low in numbers.
The problem I am facing is what guns to put on the immortals and if I should invest in more scarabs by dropping a Res Orb and put those 35pts plus the 5 left over into an extra scarab unit or adding 1 to each of the scarabs I already have.
Thanks in-advance for the help.
It's going to be very slow.
Not a lot of offence. I guess the Warriors will have to carry the army with weight of dice alone.
You could pull the extra Overlord out of the Battalion, make a 6th unit of Scarabs, and make a second Outrider detachment (three Scarab units in each) for an extra Command Point.
Im going to spoiler as reply is long.
Spoiler:
It will be slow but crons have always been slow. Our army is pretty resilient so I feel my opponent will have a hard time downing all the warriors with 5++ via Orikan and 4+ RP. I will just have to foot-slog the table and kill everything in my path and get as many objects as possible.
*Actually, that sparks a question about Orikans 5++. It affects Necron Infantry units within 6 inches and since all our HQs\Characters are Necron Infantry units/models are they also affected by the 5++ and Orikan can get buffed by the Crypteks 5++ against shooting?*
I feel like two MWBD will help the list a lot more then an extra CP point as I have 5 already. Also, to bring another detachment I would need a HQ as well so I dunno how to field 3x3 scarabs + lord (lowest value HQ) with dropping the Overlord.
I know everyone "dislikes" the C.Sypder but I think it would benefit the Dstar by going into the middle of it and spawning new Scarabs every turn even if they die. So a vanilla sypder is basically RP for Scarabs for 76pts. I think thats worth it.
Can the Sypder spawn the Scarabs to their actual limit of 9 or are you only able to spawn to what I field e.g. I field 1 unit of 6 Scarabs and I lose 2 bases. Do i spawn to 6 or can I spawn more then what I originally had?
1- Crons being slow is a distraction tactic we tell our opponents so they're not ready for all the speedy things we've got. If you play a slow army, you will probably lose out of objectives (you do have some Scarabs, though, so that's probably going to have to be their job).
2- Orikan's ability effects SAUTEKH Infantry. Careful of the distinction, there, as not all our HQ/Characters have the Sautekh faction. If they are, then yes, they will get the buff. He himself can also benefit from his own buff, as the rule does not say "other friendly Sautekh Infantry".
3- I'm not saying you should remove the Overlord, I'm saying he should become the HQ for a new detachment. You'll still have two MWBD buffers on the table, PLUS an extra Command Point.
4- If you're worried about losing a disposable cheap unit like Scarabs... well, okay.
5- Spyder only gives them back what they lost. If you started with 5 you cannot go above that number.
1. Thats true. I do like it when my opponent thinks they have me in a tough position only for my Wraiths and Tomb Blades to flank them either side and circle around their army. I can use the 2 units of scarabs in the star to get objects behind me and use the others to get the other objectives. If i plan it right I could hold 2 objects with the star if i spread them out on the last turn (if objects are placed to my advantage) and get the last 2 by flooding them with the scarabs.
2.Yeah thats all good. I know all HQs are not Sautekh but the ones I am bringing all have Sautekh or <Dynasty>. Also the Crypteks 5++ can affect Orikan so the star will have a universal 5++. Lynch with scythes sounds good with 5++ instead of 4++.
3. Miss-read what you said. Good point. Ill see what I can do. Might have to lower the general Scarabs count.
4. Disposable, yes. But their annoying, distracting and stop my rear-end from being exposed
5.Good to have that cleared up.
Halfpast_Yellow
Thats a good point. I just feel like i will be wasting his Ghostwalk due to everything being in the middle besides a few scarabs and Deathmarks. I would happily put him in a corner and teleport him with the lynch but because our Characters are really important and can be taken down via snippers i think they need the lynch there to protect them that bit more. I could try 2-3 alternative lists and see what I could come up with.
cthululsSpy
I really wish we had the veil. So much possible movement lost for no reason I guess GW are going to see how all the armies play before they update 8th via codexs.
I would love to take a doom/night scythe if it could hover in place instead of having to move but thats a bit to much wishful thinking.
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click green "clone or download" button and "Download Zip", and extract it to your data folder which is usually c:/users/(your username)/Battlescribe/data
When making a new roster the drop down will let you pick he current 8th edition.
k
Those files seem to be all modified about a month ago, are you sure they are for 8th?
2017/06/07 16:30:16
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
And likewise, Szeras is the only one who can give them a 5++ save.
Its the RP bonus szeras gives everyone regardless of dynasty, he actually doesn't have a chronomotron to give anyone a 5++
Oh, son of a bitch, yeah, got the ability wrong.
... which means there isn't anyone who can give them (Praets) an invuln, right?
Correct. Though arguably they're not terrible without it. 35 points for fast 2W 3+ Infantry is sort of a steal. You can compare them to SM/CSM bikers. Less options, but stock with an Assault AP-3 weapon that's also the same in combat makes them pretty comparable, and they run in the mid 30s before buying upgrades. And they can't claim cover since they're Bikes and not Infantry, and don't have Fly.
Bikes are good. These guys are good. Both went up in points, of course, but that's basically everything in the game other than basic foot dudes.
2017/06/07 16:49:47
Subject: New Necron Tactica Thread - 8th ed. leak discussion pg.25 / new stats mathhammer pg.29
click green "clone or download" button and "Download Zip", and extract it to your data folder which is usually c:/users/(your username)/Battlescribe/data
When making a new roster the drop down will let you pick he current 8th edition.
k
Those files seem to be all modified about a month ago, are you sure they are for 8th?
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