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2017/11/29 18:35:09
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Requizen wrote: I would be ok with the price of Destroyers, Praets, Lychguard, etc if they reduced all incoming damage by half. Too expensive for multiwound models considering everything has D3 or D6 damage readily available.
What if Destroyers were 2+ or had 5 wounds
Their weapons make them kinda weak imo. Str 5 ap-3, if they had like +1 to wound or so, then maybe.
Dont take this the wrong way, they are great against MEQs n TEQs, but its awkward.
From the old age they lost 1 str and 1 attack on their weapons and gauss rule aswell.
I will admit though - i tried 6 destroyers with destroyer lord, overlord and a cryptek (lol yea i know, a lot of pts sink) they managed to survive bombartment from 2 basilisks and 1 knight for 2 turns before they destroyed the knight and then went basilisk hunting (they recovered the game for me).
2017/11/29 18:48:36
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Do they need to move that fast though? At first they should probably stay 24" away from their targets, and survive incoming fire. Late game they perhaps move up to grab objectives and hunt down things. Then they are less things shooting at them so perhaps not so dependent on crypteks invulsave
2017/11/29 19:33:57
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Well I'll put mine in 2 squads of 5+1, combined with a Tomb Sentinel as fire magnet and some Acanthrites to go up the board backed by Wraiths, so the enemy should have more urgent targets than the destroyers
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2017/11/30 00:02:31
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Destroyers are just far too expensive for me to justify the price, right now.
I had been hoping for a price adjustment in C.A, but now it looks like I'll have to wait a few months longer until the codex comes out (hopefully).
But even then I don't know how likely I will be to include them anymore.
They're probably still going to end up too pricey a unit to just place and forget without support, like you might with Scarabs or even Tomb Blades. So then you end up having to invest SO MUCH in them, HQ-wise, to get them to perform at optimum efficiency (a D.Lord for wounding rerolls, an Overlord for MWBD, a Cryptek for 4+++).
It just... doesn't seem worth it, you know?
2017/11/30 20:49:16
Subject: Re: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Our local meta is highly competitive, yet it is surprising one of the players had very peculiar success with very simple army:
Spoiler:
Nemesor
Anrakyr
Illuminor
Orikan
Stalker with Heat Ray
20 warriors
20 warriors
10 immortals w/ Tesla
10 immortals w/ Tesla
8 scarabs
8 scarabs
5 scarabs
1997 pts total
I will face him on Sunday with Death Guard.
Initialy I wasn't really anticipating this game as something special, but after his triumph over GK (with 3 storm ravens!) and IG armies I am kind of anxious.
Mathematicaly I can't lose, but it will be quite a gamble. I will have to deal with scarabs fast enough to have enough time killing warriors and immortals, and I don't have many long range options to safely and reliably kill 20 warriors in cover and under orikan's invulnerable save, and short range crossfire might favor necrons a little bit.
Gonna be interesting game.
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2017/12/01 09:06:51
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
He beat 3 stormravens and IG with that list? WTF?!
I'm sorry, I know first hand what a GMDK and a single stormraven can do to infantry, and the amount of dakka IG can put out.
The other players must have played quite badly to lose to that :/
It literally has no anti tank, its okay at dealing with infantry, but and fast CC army would absolutely wreck it.
I've played DG with my crons, the only thing I was really scared about was Morty. If you have him you should take this list down very, very quickly.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Another question.
Now that we can reliably get immortals into RF range T1, hitting on 2+, with potentially a 2+ armour save in cover, how good do Gauss immortals look to you guys now. Im starting to really like the idea of them....
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2017/12/01 10:29:30
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
A cryptek with the veil zapping up immortals in some cover near you? Definitely not unheard of. Could even have deathmarks around and ready to to for threat of extra added pressure.
T.
2017/12/01 11:27:56
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Now that we can reliably get immortals into RF range T1, hitting on 2+, with potentially a 2+ armour save in cover, how good do Gauss immortals look to you guys now. Im starting to really like the idea of them....
We could always get Immortals in RF range with the Deceiver as you get to teleport at least 1 unit plus himself 9" away from enemy models and can't charge. I suppose the VoD reliablity to let the Immos plus HQ Deepstrike compared to the D3 chance of the Deceiver is a bit better. However, getting to move 2 units via the D3 works out a bit better then the VoD if you are not charging with those units.
Does anyone know if VoD teleports the bearer and Infantry unit or Bearer and <Dynasty> unit excluding Vehicles?
I'm still salty about Obyron's Veil being wholely dependant on Zahndrekh.
Anyway,
While a Cryptek would be good if multiple units are going to be moving up (eg. Veiled Immortals + G.I'd D3 Immortals), if ONLY taking a single unit up (just Veiled guys) I don't know if that'd be the best HQ for the job.
I'd be leaning more towards an Overlord so they'd get MWBD plus have some CC backup.
Only issue there is they'd probably be a kamikaze squad.
It might be expensive, but if you can fit the Deceiver in with the Veil bearer, that might end up being the best solution (then at least you'd have a lot of firepower to inflict enough damage with multiple threats in their face so you'd be less likely to lose the upper hand with what might just end up being a minor distraction to your opponent).
2017/12/01 13:58:24
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Welp, give it to Zahndrekh and we have ourselves a strike force (10 Gauss Immortals with him, 10 Scythe Lychguard/15+ Flayed Ones with Obyron).
If that's really doable, I'd be willing to overlook what they did to Oby in the index.
(Can we get the exact wording on the part that says who can and can't take it? Under a spoiler, of course, so gw don't wet themselves)
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Odrankt wrote: Well that mean Anrakyr with a unit of Lychguard will wreck havoc!
It's still a 9" charge, and they'd be by themselves in the middle of hostile territory. Too risky for my blood.
At least with Obyron you get to place 6" away from Zahndrekh, making it only 3" away from the enemy (unless they errata'd that and we don't know about it yet).
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2017/12/01 15:06:54
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
It's still a 9" charge, and they'd be by themselves in the middle of hostile territory. Too risky for my blood.
At least with Obyron you get to place 6" away from Zahndrekh, making it only 3" away from the enemy (unless they errata'd that and we don't know about it yet).
I usually get my 9" charges when I use a Tomb Sentinel, Flayed Ones or Scarabs and if worst comes to it I just CP the lower dice if I roll a 5-6 on the other one. Maybe a mixture of the Deceivers G.I to deploy Anrakyr then use the VoD from Zahndrekh to go near Anrakyr for +1 A and then Ghostwalk Oby into position? Might cost a lot of points (at the moment) but it sounds like a good CC core.
I have a question that's a little of topic for everybody. Has anyone used the Deceives G.I to Re-deploy Canoptek Acanthrites to make full use of their cutting beam? 9 S7 -4 D6 Melta sounds like quite the punch. And if backed via Cryptek you can RP on a 4+ by using 2 CPs.
Anyone else interested/shocked by this combo that I completely ignored throughout 8th edition.
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AFAIK, every codex so far has restricted Relics to non-Named Characters. Codex Approved may have overlooked this restriction, but I would not by any means expect this to be a "thing" that sticks around.
2017/12/01 16:01:53
Subject: Re: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
What would be everyones recommendation in a 5k apoc game to taking out a heirophant? I havent played my necrons since 6th edition, and I havent played new nids in 8th at all. Trying to jump back in and I already know I will be facing this, but thats all I know. Was thinking pylons, but is there other good options?
If pylons, what would be my best options?
"It's like the 12 days of Christmas...except its the 12 days of Death" Ian Christe
2017/12/01 16:06:39
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Requizen wrote: AFAIK, every codex so far has restricted Relics to non-Named Characters. Codex Approved may have overlooked this restriction, but I would not by any means expect this to be a "thing" that sticks around.
I agree on this, they always stated that named characters already have fancy wargear and so cannot take relics. (Only one relic can be taken by the army anyway, unless shelling out CPs)
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2017/12/01 16:16:16
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Even then, putting the Veil on an Overlord or Cryptek isn't bad by any means. Aside from the obvious shenanigans of Veil + Zahndrekh + Obyron + Melee unit, it's still a great item.
Now, with Deceiver, Zahndrekh/Obyron, and Veil, we can easily get most of our army in midfield. One of our Troops biggest weaknesses was speed - once Warriors and Gauss Immortals are up the board they're not terrible. Still doesn't make us a top army, but lets us play the Objective game much easier than it did previously and once Gauss is in Rapid Fire range, it's pretty solid.
2017/12/01 17:16:18
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Well, if anyone getting the book can come back here and confirm the exact wording for us regarding who is and isn't allowed relics we would be extremely grateful.
2017/12/01 17:26:09
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
Looks like Sau have gotten even stronger with their combo ports...
Admittedly now im kind of interested in the shenanigans the world killer can get into though.
Sure you wont be able to pre T1 deciever place a bunch of immortals or other stuff with assault weapons and then charge them in that turn 1. But since they go before the first turn that means they'll be able to move in very close and then turn 2 they'll probably be within WK's 12" field allowing you to spray and run in assuming they survived and then continue.
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Also even if we have to restrict that cloak to a non named, this means you could always overlord it and TP the overlord and one of your leaders like Nemesor instead if you really wanted to get them into melee that turn. Worse case scenario Nemesor and overlord can MWBD eachother since both are infantry giving you a little bit of a buffer on your 2+ to hits in case of penalties *chuckle* along with the other bonuses.
Admittedly though Cryptek might be the better option for this so that you effectively have a Cryptek, overlord (nem) and lord (oby) combo with a protection squad rolling in for shooting and melee T1. Heck if you have a second squad and an Overlord back with Oby's TP crew then you can still MWBD the team Obyron will be porting up with for that extra +1 to help on your ~ 2/3 inch charge?
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I was almost tempted to start buying orks and modeling/painting them with a french theme.
If only so I could begin the pardonné waghh.
2017/12/01 17:43:54
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
skoffs wrote: Well, if anyone getting the book can come back here and confirm the exact wording for us regarding who is and isn't allowed relics we would be extremely grateful.
The wording says, exactly:
"If your army is led by a NECRON warlord, then you may give the following Relic to a NECRON CHARACTER (other than a Ctan Shard) in your army"
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2017/12/01 17:44:45
Subject: Necron 8th Tactica - Unit grading in OP / NEW new FAQ discussion p.97
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