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Is spending 100+ points and a command point worth it? We shall see. Really, it depends on whether or not the melee units have much punch. Right now, though, I'm not feeling it.

DudzeExperiment wrote:
I think people are misreading the monolith, it says transport the units not set them up. It's being treated as a transport.

No. The Monolith does not have the TRANSPORT keyword. It's using 'transported' in the generic sense and not as a keyword.

 Nagerash wrote:

And I do wonder how long it will take for a Mephrit Biker spam to appear in tournaments. It does seem to synergise best with the bikes. They don't really care for advancing/assault weapons, since they already have a high movement. They will not be standing still or engaging in melee, and the 20" advance/moving through terrain doesn't interest them much either I'd assume.

About 2 weeks. I ordered 27 Tomb Blades just now.

Hm, apparently Void scythes are S x2, AP-4 3 dmg, but -1 to hit.

What the gak, they gave the monolith the titanic keyword, that means macro weapons do double damage to it.

 Grimgold wrote:
What the gak, they gave the monolith the titanic keyword, that means macro weapons do double damage to it.

Who has macro weapons that is used semi regularly? Stormlord perhaps? (I don't know)

It has that in the index too. It's a big model but unjustifiable considering its profile

 Therion wrote:

 Nagerash wrote:

And I do wonder how long it will take for a Mephrit Biker spam to appear in tournaments. It does seem to synergise best with the bikes. They don't really care for advancing/assault weapons, since they already have a high movement. They will not be standing still or engaging in melee, and the 20" advance/moving through terrain doesn't interest them much either I'd assume.

About 2 weeks. I ordered 27 Tomb Blades just now.

When Therion spends actual $ you know it's a thing. The Blades look super strong.

I'm going to keep playing around with that Monolith redeploy to see what kind of shenanigans I can come up with. It might not be top drawer, but it sounds like a lot of fun.

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
It has that in the index too. It's a big model but unjustifiable considering its profile

Yeah that's true, but since you will be teleporting it down every game, you can at least be sure it'll get 1 turn, and you should be aware where these big guns are before deploying it 12" from the enemy.
and if you choose Mephrit, it's nice that your weapons will always benefit from the extra -1AP.

The Monolith might also be a very nice counter to some mass Deepstrike armies. If they miss their first turn 9" charge, which is not that unlikely, you can just get that unit out of there with 1cp and keep shooting for a few turns. Coupled with the VoD, you can redeploy 2 units and 1 HQ out of assault range of their scary Alfastrike (if they survived). Would be ideal with Tesla Immortal overwatch.

Not something to build a full strategy around, but could still be usefull in a few scenarios.

 Grimgold wrote:
Now for the real stinker, You can't duplicate powers between c'tan shards until all powers have been taken. If C'Tan shards get two powers per, that means you'll have to take some of the lame ones. Says it right in the image.

You can if you randomize it.

Glad to see they gave the normal C'Tan some form of flavour and identity to set them apart from the Nightbringer and Deceiver.

 Nagerash wrote:

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
It has that in the index too. It's a big model but unjustifiable considering its profile

Yeah that's true, but since you will be teleporting it down every game, you can at least be sure it'll get 1 turn, and you should be aware where these big guns are before deploying it 12" from the enemy.
and if you choose Mephrit, it's nice that your weapons will always benefit from the extra -1AP.

Since you need to deploy more than 12" away, you'll never be in -1 AP range with your weapons on the turn you deep strike down.

Darsath wrote:

 Nagerash wrote:

 MoonlightSonata wrote:
It has that in the index too. It's a big model but unjustifiable considering its profile

Yeah that's true, but since you will be teleporting it down every game, you can at least be sure it'll get 1 turn, and you should be aware where these big guns are before deploying it 12" from the enemy.
and if you choose Mephrit, it's nice that your weapons will always benefit from the extra -1AP.

Since you need to deploy more than 12" away, you'll never be in -1 AP range with your weapons on the turn you deep strike down.

Ooh right. -_- I forgot about the "more" part. Oh well...

Last, but not least:

Note how it says 'No benefit from cover' meaning no -1 to hit or anything like that. Nebulscopes for instance only ignore the save modifier that cover gives.

Hey, there's no reason it has to be me that starts a new thread. I was just tending this one as best I could.
Now that we've got official info to work with, if anyone else wants to start a new one, feel free!
(we just ask that you keep it updated rather than starting it and walking away like some posters had in the past)

Is that all what solar pulse does? Seems pretty weak compared to earlier forms.

Alternatively, I could just start a placeholder one for the time being, and flesh it out after I'm done with work.
Either way is fine by me.


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Did it.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/752626.page#9873469

Wasn't Solar Pulse originally just a "no night fight this turn" piece of wargear? If I'm remembering that correctly this seems ok, I guess. This might help stacked with Mephit against cover stacking units. I'm looking for the ray of sunshine here. That said, it seems weak set next to a redeploy for the same CP cost.

Solar pulse originally just ended night fighting for a single turn...at least back in 3rd edition lol.

Personally with veil of night and the monolith being able to pull units for CP , necrons seem to be on track to be who they used to be.

 Fenris-77 wrote:
Wasn't Solar Pulse originally just a "no night fight this turn" piece of wargear? If I'm remembering that correctly this seems ok, I guess. This might help stacked with Mephit against cover stacking units. I'm looking for the ray of sunshine here. That said, it seems weak set next to a redeploy for the same CP cost.

In 7th edition, the Solar Pulse meant that the Night Fighting rules were not in effect for that turn and your opponent could only fire snap shots at the bearer and the unit he was attached to. In fifth, if the Night Fighting rules were in effect, they cease to apply until the end of the turn. If they are not in effect, then they apply until the end of the turn.

The New Solar Pulse's ability to remove all benefts from cover will allow you to easily remove camping camo cloak scouts and the like with minimal effort. Its a huge improvement over "remove night fighting if it happens to be in play"


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Do we think forgebane is going to be a decent value for the price for just the necron units? I have no interest in the AdMech stuff or knights.

 iGuy91 wrote:
The New Solar Pulse's ability to remove all benefts from cover will allow you to easily remove camping camo cloak scouts and the like with minimal effort. Its a huge improvement over "remove night fighting if it happens to be in play"


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Do we think forgebane is going to be a decent value for the price for just the necron units? I have no interest in the AdMech stuff or knights.

I believe the game retails at $160 and the contents come in at $113 for necrons units without the cryptek, and mechanicus is like $75 without the armigers. So $185 before the new models get added in.

I added up all the stuff and used the overlord price to predict the cryptek and it's about 170 Canadian for the stuff individually and 190 for the Forgebane box. You aren't saving money, you are just getting a lot more stuff cheap and you could potentially sell off the Admech stuff. If you sell off the admech, it's cheaper. If you don't, you just bought more stuff than you wanted but at a big discount. Personally, I'm fine with paying an extra 20 bucks for the admech stuff. I wouldn't buy it if it was a standalone box, but at that price I'm fine with it sitting on my pile of shame for a while.

 Grimgold wrote:
Suicide night scythe has less problems than other transports have, if it gets blown up your units don't have the potential to take damage. In fact it's better if it gets blown up since they can move on their turn and charge. This will be one of the ways melle cron armies drag lychguard into CC, along with a veil of darkness. If they decide not to shoot it, it still has guns.

Sorry but this is just too much. Such a terrible strategy. I can still wipe the unit EASILY without much effort. I simply move around the base of that nice little picnic basket you packed for me and then kill the NS. No room to deploy means you still fry. This will not be a thing because your seriously talking about wasting points just to try to get closer, only if the player your facing is a bad player.


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Those C'Tan powers are fething filthy. Especially from the vault. I wonder how many points the two varieties break down into. The ability to spam mortal wounds is just insane, especially when everyone else is expecting a nerf to smite. This helps deal with eldar a bit.

On that note Imoteks storm will delete a unit of reapers from across the table as well. The Necrons really can get around the modifiers plaging the game ATM.

Oh and tomb blades are stupidly good. How units like this continue to get past testing boggles the mind. A high toughness flying unit with an invuln and yet again a modifier to hit that can get in close and deal a withering volley as mephrit with guass.

Why not Nephrekh if you want to get Lychguard into assault? Unless Novokh gets assault+charge stratagems, you're looking at Turn 2 or Turn 3 charges for points-conservative delivery (veil, hoping your Night Scythe explodes) and Nephrekh doesn't cost anything extra.

Grand Illusion is more reliable now with Dimensional Corridor, and that would be a Turn 1 or Turn 2 charge depending, but it still costs too much.

I hate to say it, but even if lichguard get a big output boost and or price drop they still lose out to other options. Especially now that a wraith does more damage, it has innate mobility, a 3++ more wounds and it's attacks are now -2 2 damage. Of which it has more. Your really only getting a tad more strength and AP and you can reanimate, only we know there is a stratagem to reanimate wraiths. Maybe the voidscythe is an alternate weapon for them, but odds are 10 to 1 it's the profile for the plastic overlord clampack. It was always strange to me when they redesigned the warscythe on that model and never gave it unique traits. That leaves lichguard in a pretty stale spot.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
Suicide night scythe has less problems than other transports have, if it gets blown up your units don't have the potential to take damage. In fact it's better if it gets blown up since they can move on their turn and charge. This will be one of the ways melle cron armies drag lychguard into CC, along with a veil of darkness. If they decide not to shoot it, it still has guns.

Sorry but this is just too much. Such a terrible strategy. I can still wipe the unit EASILY without much effort. I simply move around the base of that nice little picnic basket you packed for me and then kill the NS. No room to deploy means you still fry. This will not be a thing because your seriously talking about wasting points just to try to get closer, only if the player your facing is a bad player.

As I recall someone did the math, it would take 30+ 32MM bases to completely surround a flying base, because you have a 3" deployment zone, and must be more than 1 inch away from enemy models. Which means circling the base isn't sufficient (because they could just place 2" out), you need a circle one inch out from the base to completely eliminate deployment. This fact is why storm ravens are still popular with marines for dropping units off, because it's almost impossible to pull off. It's one of those urban myths from the early days of 8th ed.

There's no point making assumptions about units and rules that haven't been revealed yet

 Galas wrote:

 Grimgold wrote:
What the gak, they gave the monolith the titanic keyword, that means macro weapons do double damage to it.

Who has macro weapons that is used semi regularly? Stormlord perhaps? (I don't know)

The Shadowsword rerolls wounds against titanic, but isn't actually a macro weapon itself. Macro weapons aren't really a thing in typical matched play.

Oops. Nevermind.