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Right, this is officially my next modelling project.

 Arbitrator wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
Here's what I dont get. They have 3 books full of getting the band back together to fight chaos. All these triumvirate sets of raid party members to fight the last boss at the end of the dungeon......and the current rumor is that abaddon bites it? Where the hell is the chaos stuff in this campaign? Now me personally I don't think abaddon will 'die' necessarily because they never axe models without replacements. But 6 imperium and 3 eldar characters and thats a wrap? Are you kidding me?

I honestly think GW is acknowledging that Abaddon as a character concept has been tainted by years of poor fluff-writing. It almost seems like they want to kill him off to make room for something better.

It seems more likely they'd want to kill him off just because in this new age of "Warhammer 40,000: The Avengers" they thought it would look odd if on the tabletop 'mere mortal' Abbadon is still around leading these giant Daemon Primarchs. He'll probably come back as a Daemon Prince anyway.

Yea the chaos gods are finally like "welp we tried it your way but its demon prince time" and Abby just kicks the sand and goes "aww shucks I almost got em this time". That could work I guess.

 Iron Angel wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I'm assuming Celestine cries on gullieman and brings him back to life. The flaming sword is the artifact.

First they force her to find him between his friends.. xD

Oh god what did I start lol

 Arbitrator wrote:
He'll probably come back as a Daemon Prince anyway.

If I were a betting man, this is exactly what I'd say GW is building towards. Abbey gets defeated but seconds before he "dies" he finally gives into the Chaos gods and becomes a DP.
No need to release an infantry model when the "big bad' of Chaos can be an MC.

 Don Savik wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Don Savik wrote:
Here's what I dont get. They have 3 books full of getting the band back together to fight chaos. All these triumvirate sets of raid party members to fight the last boss at the end of the dungeon......and the current rumor is that abaddon bites it? Where the hell is the chaos stuff in this campaign? Now me personally I don't think abaddon will 'die' necessarily because they never axe models without replacements. But 6 imperium and 3 eldar characters and thats a wrap? Are you kidding me?

I honestly think GW is acknowledging that Abaddon as a character concept has been tainted by years of poor fluff-writing. It almost seems like they want to kill him off to make room for something better.

It seems more likely they'd want to kill him off just because in this new age of "Warhammer 40,000: The Avengers" they thought it would look odd if on the tabletop 'mere mortal' Abbadon is still around leading these giant Daemon Primarchs. He'll probably come back as a Daemon Prince anyway.

Yea the chaos gods are finally like "welp we tried it your way but its demon prince time" and Abby just kicks the sand and goes "aww shucks I almost got em this time". That could work I guess.

Perhaps we will see a new Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided. Or Lorgar will get up off his ass and do something.

Is it just me or does the Primarch model (featured in the first few pictures on this thread) have odd proportions?

Not sure why... thighs look a little short, and lower legs look far to long.

Whole torso/arms also look a little off, but not sure why.

 Cothonian wrote:
Is it just me or does the Primarch model (featured in the first few pictures on this thread) have odd proportions?

Not sure why... thighs look a little short, and lower legs look far to long.

Whole torso/arms also look a little off, but not sure why.

My personal theory is that is because of a new Robot Body.

Nah, just bad GW 'proportions' again, is all!

Also, is that 'ammo belt' long enough to allow Guilliman to move his arm far at all?

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

 Cothonian wrote:
Is it just me or does the Primarch model (featured in the first few pictures on this thread) have odd proportions?

Not sure why... thighs look a little short, and lower legs look far too long.

Whole torso/arms also look a little off, but not sure why.

Nah, looks like a really big suit of MkVIII.

Anyways, the armour was supposedly Belisarius Cawl's secret project.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Because its possible to like multiple things, and even to like things after they change.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Right, this is officially my next modelling project.

Holy gak. That fixes all the issues I had with the model, except for the sword.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Because its possible to like multiple things, and even to like things after they change.

I'd like a split too if it would happen.. don't be afraid of change, change is good, change is everywhere.. mwahahah..

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Well, the Star Trek reboot movies made a lot of money. The new Star Wars movie that wasn't anything like a Star Wars movie made even more money. I don't know why, but there are obviously a lot of people out there like that.

As far as the 40k developments, I think it works out well if you like Eldar. Your Eldar can be ones distrustful of all the Ynnead stuff and continue being just like they've always been. Or, if you want, they can embrace it all and evolve. Doesn't seem like it will work out so well for fans of Ultramarines or Fallen/Dark Angels. If Guilliman creates a wonderful utopian empire broken away from the Imperium, and you're an Ultramarine player that liked the dystopian Imperium, I guess you'd be out of luck. But let's see where they take it. It sounds like they're just setting up a long-term war in Ultramar that Guilliman will be busy fighting against chaos.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Because its possible to like multiple things, and even to like things after they change.

Nobody's saying you can't like 40K after the changes, that's a matter of taste, it's the idea that you'd want it to change in the first place if you liked it how it was that baffles me.

That sword is the only part of the model that I do like !
I like the look of Cypher too.

Im all for change, and im glad folk are happy, but it just seems like no thought went into the storyline .

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Because its possible to like multiple things, and even to like things after they change.

Nobody's saying you can't like 40K after the changes, that's a matter of taste, it's the idea that you'd want it to change in the first place if you liked it how it was that baffles me.

Because every so often changing things up can be interesting.

 Verviedi wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Right, this is officially my next modelling project.

Holy gak. That fixes all the issues I had with the model, except for the sword.

Agreed. All of a sudden it starts to look a lot better. It still looks weirdly proportioned, and it's still not for me, but still, a lot better.

Why would you want a sequel to a movie you like? Because you want more than already exists, even knowing it will be different (and possibly just bad).

The problem with this is, if it's bad, you can't really easily ignore it and still play the game, because you'll be wanting to play in a different setting (pre-Guilliman and pre-hypothetical-Imperium-split) than your opponent, and if you play in a narrative fashion that might be an issue.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Because its possible to like multiple things, and even to like things after they change.

Nobody's saying you can't like 40K after the changes, that's a matter of taste, it's the idea that you'd want it to change in the first place if you liked it how it was that baffles me.

Because every so often changing things up can be interesting.

But not this, it's undermining one of the core themes of 40k. GW are pissing all over the background and making sure the stink of their contempt for it runs foetid through every page. Change for change's sake is how we've got this gak fest of 40k's current rules. If the background goes the same way (which all signs point to) then I'm out.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Because its possible to like multiple things, and even to like things after they change.

Nobody's saying you can't like 40K after the changes, that's a matter of taste, it's the idea that you'd want it to change in the first place if you liked it how it was that baffles me.

Because every so often changing things up can be interesting.

Yeah, and when I feel that way, I read/watch/play something else, I don't hope the thing I was reading/watching/playing at the time fundamentally and irrevocably changes; both because that removes it as an option to go back to later when I want to experience something that matches its original characteristics, and because it's a complete gamble whether I'll like the changed version or not.

Like I say, I just don't get it.

I just watched the Warhammer TV video on this. Very funny, worth a watch.

As someone whose been playing 40K for 22 years... I for one am glad to see the story advancing. It was getting pretty stale.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Because its possible to like multiple things, and even to like things after they change.

Nobody's saying you can't like 40K after the changes, that's a matter of taste, it's the idea that you'd want it to change in the first place if you liked it how it was that baffles me.

Because every so often changing things up can be interesting.

Yeah, and when I feel that way, I read/watch/play something else, I don't hope the thing I was reading/watching/playing at the time fundamentally and irrevocably changes; both because that removes it as an option to go back to later when I want to experience something that matches its original characteristics, and because it's a complete gamble whether I'll like the changed version or not.

Like I say, I just don't get it.

Well to each their own after all. And you knpow my wanting to see what happens next could always bite me in the ass with this.

 rollawaythestone wrote:
I see this as one way for them to turn up the heat between Imperium vs. Imperium battles. As schisms break out between conservative elements and those rallying around the returned Primarchs.

im pretty sure this is whats going to happen, there will be space marines versus space marines, thats a lot of space marines. exactly what gw wants. with of course our Spiritual Liege probably having the crunch advantage. story wise as long as the grimdark intensifies i am good

i like playing chaotic evil, would make a difficult decision if i start a new army, roll isis marines or imperium secondus ultramarines....

 djones520 wrote:
As someone whose been playing 40K for 22 years... I for one am glad to see the story advancing. It was getting pretty stale.

40k was a setting, not a story. To say it was getting "stale" when you had an entire galaxy and a length of time longer than recorded human history so far is just false.

I wonder why his bolter has a flamer igniter? Also Cypher's Plasma gun has one also.

Ruin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
Hopefully his recovery will help get the Imperium's head out of its ass though.

So basically you want it to stop being the Imperium?

Yes, or split into two Imperiums.

I'll never be able to understand that mindset. If I like something, it's because it is what it is, so why would I want it to be something else?

It's like people who want a dark, gritty, violent, morally-ambiguous Star Trek show.

Because its possible to like multiple things, and even to like things after they change.

Nobody's saying you can't like 40K after the changes, that's a matter of taste, it's the idea that you'd want it to change in the first place if you liked it how it was that baffles me.

Because every so often changing things up can be interesting.

But not this, it's undermining one of the core themes of 40k. GW are pissing all over the background and making sure the stink of their contempt for it runs foetid through every page. Change for change's sake is how we've got this gak fest of 40k's current rules. If the background goes the same way (which all signs point to) then I'm out.

That's bollocks. You can play anything you want in the Warhammer timeline, from 30k to 40k. It's always been that way. Both the fluff of the Imperium from the end of the HH to the gathering storm all still exists, and the ability to play narrative games of 40k or paint your minis to represent forces throughout has been a staple. People recreated the Badab wars, eg gitssplitta's mantis warriors, or go back further to The Age of Apostasy, a very interesting point in the fluff. Do you hear people going, 'Urgh, they killed Goge and moved the plot along and now I can't play Age of Apostasy.' No, of course not. you wanna make a souldrinker's army and read the fluff, the option is there, just like playing 40,999 will always be there.

I take a couple days off from the Internet to play Conan: Exiles, and Roboute Guilliman comes back from the dead.



From an objective standpoint, it actually doesn't bother me to have one or more primarchs come back, I guess.

However, I don't have any faith in the current GW Creative and writing staff to do this right. The sky isn't falling yet, but I think I can make out some small cracks.

 Nicorex wrote:
I wonder why his bolter has a flamer igniter? Also Cypher's Plasma gun has one also.

thats their latest thing esp in age of sigmarine, which painting wise annoys the hell out of me, model in the mold magic/fire/etherialness wherever possible