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I think it must be fair to say that the sword on Cypher's back is definitely the Lion Sword. The second image is the cover of Angels of Caliban and is the most recent official depiction of Lion.
The crossguard and pommel are clearly exactly the same.


https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/03/march-for-macragge/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/02/03/gathering-storm-iii-rise-of-the-primarch-first-look/

"The detail on this model is incredible, from the archeotech-plasma pistol to the massive primarch-sized sword on his back – he is every inch the fallen hero of old Caliban."
"Cypher carries a long sword across his back that is far too big for even an Astartes’ hands. It is rumoured that the sword is the fabled Lion Sword that once belonged to the Dark Angels Primarch Lion El’Jonson. "

You know it has to be a Primarch's weapon because it has a skull sheath.

 Kanluwen wrote:
You know it has to be a Primarch's weapon because it has a skull sheath.

A Leader's worth is judged by the number of skulls he has on him.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
You know it has to be a Primarch's weapon because it has a skull sheath.

A Leader's worth is judged by the number of skulls he has on him.

I thought it was how big and fancy their pauldrons were?

Also of particular interest is that in that same book, Angels of Caliban, which is the most recent HH book featuring Lion, Roboute seizes and breaks the Lion Sword.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Know why?

Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017

That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.

This has always bothered me. Isn't Natfka just an aggregator, reporting everything that comes out regardless of how wafer thin it might be? Seems somewhat unfair to call someone on their reliability when they're not trying to be reliable but rather just a font of all information, no matter how tenuous.

In other words, isn't Natfka less a case of "Here's what's happening next!!!" and more a case of "Here's what we heard what's happening next, do with it what you will.".

Taco Bell on the other hand get their rep from posting "fresh" rumours about 1-2 weeks after everyone else.

Natfka's rating does not include posts where they are merely reposting something from another site (i.e. 'Pretre on dakka posted the following...'). It only includes posts where they are the source of the rumor (i.e. 'Anonymous source says this...')

 Theophony wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
The fight comes down to a last tyranids and a flayed one that won't give up its human skin jacket. Of course this idea might have been scrapped due to the whole P.E.T.A. thing a few weeks ago

It's human flesh so PETA doesn't care......if it was a Ferret pelt then the Necrons would be hounded as animal killers...........................

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Know why?

Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017

That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.

This has always bothered me. Isn't Natfka just an aggregator, reporting everything that comes out regardless of how wafer thin it might be? Seems somewhat unfair to call someone on their reliability when they're not trying to be reliable but rather just a font of all information, no matter how tenuous.

In other words, isn't Natfka less a case of "Here's what's happening next!!!" and more a case of "Here's what we heard what's happening next, do with it what you will.".

Taco Bell on the other hand get their rep from posting "fresh" rumours about 1-2 weeks after everyone else.

Natfka's rating does not include posts where they are merely reposting something from another site (i.e. 'Pretre on dakka posted the following...'). It only includes posts where they are the source of the rumor (i.e. 'Anonymous source says this...')

Anonymous or not, it is still a site that just collects rumours and lays them out for people to read. Just exactly like how the News and Rumours forum works on Dakka. I find it funny and ironic you keep slighting him but you basically do the same thing he does. You both compile and collect data.

Davor wrote:
You both compile and collect data.

Datum are facts

 Wolfblade wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
You know it has to be a Primarch's weapon because it has a skull sheath.

A Leader's worth is judged by the number of skulls he has on him.

I thought it was how big and fancy their pauldrons were?

The best leaders have huge skull pauldrons.

Also hats. Big hats with skulls.

Davor wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Know why?

Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017

That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.

This has always bothered me. Isn't Natfka just an aggregator, reporting everything that comes out regardless of how wafer thin it might be? Seems somewhat unfair to call someone on their reliability when they're not trying to be reliable but rather just a font of all information, no matter how tenuous.

In other words, isn't Natfka less a case of "Here's what's happening next!!!" and more a case of "Here's what we heard what's happening next, do with it what you will.".

Taco Bell on the other hand get their rep from posting "fresh" rumours about 1-2 weeks after everyone else.

Natfka's rating does not include posts where they are merely reposting something from another site (i.e. 'Pretre on dakka posted the following...'). It only includes posts where they are the source of the rumor (i.e. 'Anonymous source says this...')

Anonymous or not, it is still a site that just collects rumours and lays them out for people to read. Just exactly like how the News and Rumours forum works on Dakka. I find it funny and ironic you keep slighting him but you basically do the same thing he does. You both compile and collect data.

Except Pretre keeps track of who is a "hit" or a "miss", while Naftka keeps y'know...

Posting.

And there's no guarantee that anything posted as "Anonymous" was actually submitted. Most of the "Anonymous" stuff he posts is rehashed rumors from reliable posters/avenues of rumors, but with a bit of extra crap drizzled on top.


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 Nevelon wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
You know it has to be a Primarch's weapon because it has a skull sheath.

A Leader's worth is judged by the number of skulls he has on him.

I thought it was how big and fancy their pauldrons were?

The best leaders have huge skull pauldrons.

Also hats. Big hats with skulls.

What is this, Warmachine?

I guess it's time for this thread to be locked. After all this is why I didn't want to name where I read my source. I knew it would derail the thread.

I don't feel I have to defend myself where I or anyone else chooses to read. Just because people go else where besides dakka doesn't mean they are stupid or what not.

Now please enough with the Naftfka posts. I felt I needed to defend myself where I read it, but enough. We can read where we choose and not be belittled over it.

Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.

The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)

Davor wrote:
I guess it's time for this thread to be locked. After all this is why I didn't want to name where I read my source. I knew it would derail the thread.

I don't feel I have to defend myself where I or anyone else chooses to read. Just because people go else where besides dakka doesn't mean they are stupid or what not.

Now please enough with the Naftfka posts. I felt I needed to defend myself where I read it, but enough. We can read where we choose and not be belittled over it.

The issue isnt what you read or where you read it, its that you posted it on here and treated it as the gospel truth and got called on it.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.

The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)

Easy there. Davor fell for some bogus rumors from Naftka-ka. It has happened to people before

Davor wrote:
I guess it's time for this thread to be locked. After all this is why I didn't want to name where I read my source. I knew it would derail the thread.

I don't feel I have to defend myself where I or anyone else chooses to read. Just because people go else where besides dakka doesn't mean they are stupid or what not.

Now please enough with the Naftfka posts. I felt I needed to defend myself where I read it, but enough. We can read where we choose and not be belittled over it.

Actually, no.
If you choose to accept information from a less than certifiable source, then you also must accept that there is a chance you can be mocked for that.
It's your responsibility as a memeber of society to be correctly informed if you want to socialize with other people, networks, groups, etc.
If I were to say that I honestly believe the onion is a reputable news source and defend their articles as truth, then naturally I would open myself up to the worst of comments.

Food for thought.

Edit: point in case; Azrael.
Take a chill pill dude.

Neronoxx wrote:

If you choose to accept information from a less than certifiable source, then you also must accept that there is a chance you can be mocked for that.

Calling out is one thing. If someone posts something from an un-credible source, it should be pointed out to everyone. No problem.

Mocking is another thing entirely, and violates Rule #1.

 kronk wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.

The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)

Easy there. Davor fell for some bogus rumors from Naftka-ka. It has happened to people before

One man's "fell for" can be another's man's "deliberately distributed to incite a reaction."

WrentheFaceless wrote:

Davor wrote:
I guess it's time for this thread to be locked. After all this is why I didn't want to name where I read my source. I knew it would derail the thread.

I don't feel I have to defend myself where I or anyone else chooses to read. Just because people go else where besides dakka doesn't mean they are stupid or what not.

Now please enough with the Naftfka posts. I felt I needed to defend myself where I read it, but enough. We can read where we choose and not be belittled over it.

The issue isnt what you read or where you read it, its that you posted it on here and treated it as the gospel truth and got called on it.

I never said it was fact or gospel. I just releated to what I read that day.

*edit*

As for being gak? Why? Someone asked a question. I answered it from what I read. So what is wrong with that? So has dakka become the "if you don't agree with my opinion you are wrong"? I find it funny I am being called out and I post gak when the same people do the same.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.

The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)

Easy there. Davor fell for some bogus rumors from Naftka-ka. It has happened to people before

One man's "fell for" can be another's man's "deliberately distributed to incite a reaction."

Eh, reading Davor's posts here and in other threads, I'm going to side with honest mistake. Perhaps a little unwilling to back down from his source, but not in a trolling manner.

Just my take on it.

Thanks Kronk. You said it better than I ever can. Let's please move on. I can't fit another foot in my mouth.

Davor wrote:
Anonymous or not, it is still a site that just collects rumours and lays them out for people to read. Just exactly like how the News and Rumours forum works on Dakka. I find it funny and ironic you keep slighting him but you basically do the same thing he does. You both compile and collect data.

He produces the rumors or at least doesn't provide us with any way to differentiate between rumors he wrote and rumors he got from someone else. Feel free to take this over the Ongoing Rumor Accuracy thread to discuss further, but this has been done to death.

Edit:
nevermind

Hey people, how about we go back on topic? I'm pretty sure that Naftka's web-domain isn't in Marcragge, isn't it?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
How about a Crimson Fists v. Orks grudge match? Captain Cortez should be back with the Chapter by now. I bet he is itching to shove a grenade down an Ork's throat.

You sure are persistent about this fugly model



I always thought it was some pythons holy grail, black knight level crap that he disarmed a warboss using his rib cage after the boss buried his 'Uge Choppa into his mid section


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 Kanluwen wrote:

Davor wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Spoiler:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Know why?

Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (420 TRUE) / (858 FALSE) / (78 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) - Updated 1/10/2017

That's barely a 30% accuracy rate, without accounting for how many of that 420 were self evident, easily predicted or simple luck.

This has always bothered me. Isn't Natfka just an aggregator, reporting everything that comes out regardless of how wafer thin it might be? Seems somewhat unfair to call someone on their reliability when they're not trying to be reliable but rather just a font of all information, no matter how tenuous.

In other words, isn't Natfka less a case of "Here's what's happening next!!!" and more a case of "Here's what we heard what's happening next, do with it what you will.".

Taco Bell on the other hand get their rep from posting "fresh" rumours about 1-2 weeks after everyone else.

Natfka's rating does not include posts where they are merely reposting something from another site (i.e. 'Pretre on dakka posted the following...'). It only includes posts where they are the source of the rumor (i.e. 'Anonymous source says this...')

Anonymous or not, it is still a site that just collects rumours and lays them out for people to read. Just exactly like how the News and Rumours forum works on Dakka. I find it funny and ironic you keep slighting him but you basically do the same thing he does. You both compile and collect data.

Except Pretre keeps track of who is a "hit" or a "miss", while Naftka keeps y'know...

Posting.

And there's no guarantee that anything posted as "Anonymous" was actually submitted. Most of the "Anonymous" stuff he posts is rehashed rumors from reliable posters/avenues of rumors, but with a bit of extra crap drizzled on top.


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 Nevelon wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
You know it has to be a Primarch's weapon because it has a skull sheath.

A Leader's worth is judged by the number of skulls he has on him.

I thought it was how big and fancy their pauldrons were?

The best leaders have huge skull pauldrons.

Also hats. Big hats with skulls.

What is this, Warmachine?

See the trouble with that part though is there is actually no proof that is what he is doing. So while you guys very well may be correct in that assumption, you don't have the proof to back the claim despite parroting it, which would ironically make you no better then he is if your assumption is correct, if not, your just trashing his reputation.

Lord Kragan wrote:
Hey people, how about we go back on topic? I'm pretty sure that Naftka's web-domain isn't in Marcragge, isn't it?

 Azreal13 wrote:

(and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)

 Azreal13 wrote:

 kronk wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Sources be damned, you posted dumb gak and got called on it, then it transpires that the dumb gak you posted came from the very fountain of dumb gak for wargaming news.

The solution is not to post dumb gak in the first place, not try and act like a moderator when it blows up in your face (and, for future reference, don't publicly call for a thread to be locked, use the yellow triangle, it makes a user look less like a wannabe try hard mod.)

Easy there. Davor fell for some bogus rumors from Naftka-ka. It has happened to people before

One man's "fell for" can be another's man's "deliberately distributed to incite a reaction."

And here we are working off assumptions again. Less feels.

 Wolfblade wrote:

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
You know it has to be a Primarch's weapon because it has a skull sheath.

A Leader's worth is judged by the number of skulls he has on him.

I thought it was how big and fancy their pauldrons were?

Well a leader with the biggest Pauldrons and the most Skulls would just be the best period.

It depends, though, on the quality of the cloack and hat too. A man with big pauldrons and hats trumps a man with big pauldrons and skulls, it also helps derail the topic of the thread better. Not that there's much to say, though at this point.

Are there going to be any BL books accompanying this new Rise of the Primarch release? I'd love a novel about Guillemans return.