The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17

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**Theophony**

Crimson wrote:
ProtoClone wrote:

LCotI is not a new position for RG and one he had when he wrote the Codex Astarte's.

I know, but that was not the original question. As noted, the Lord Commander technically has no authority over marines. Though in my book him originally assuming that position is proof enough that he was a hypocrite.

Or the fact that what he wrote 10K years ago is now obsolete. When he wrote it there was a chance to rebuild the imperium the way it should have been done, but after all these years and all the high lords messing things up there needs to be a new way and he is the most qualified to fix what's wrong.

**ERJAK**

davou wrote:
Watch the grey knight character have some way to teleport Gman right into the enemy lines during his magic phase

Yeah like some sort of...displacement that could use electros to move models around the board, perhaps even...swapping places...hmmm

**Crazyterran**

LightKing wrote:
What I am interested in knowing

is who will have authority over the other Non-Ultramarines chapters....Roboute or their chapter master

for the blood angels, will Roboute supercede Dante

salamanders, will Roboute supercede Tu'shan

etc. etc. etc.

You've asked this question before, and gotten the answer before.

Each Chapter can be given a specific objective, (say, the Salamanders tasked to defend a Hive World) assuming they submit themselves to the defense of the Imperium / to the campaign. How they go about doing so is up to them, though.

**Pariah-Miniatures**

So do fallen have rules not requiring cypher and are more than just veterans?

I hat happened to the astartes Praeses chapters?

**ZergSmasher**

BrianDavion wrote:
from the email sent out by GW about this, Gathering Storm three will have "rules for adding fallen dark angels to your Imperium or chaos forces" thought that might be relevant for CSM players

There is already a formation from the existing Cypher dataslate allowing you to take a formation of Cypher and 1-3 units of Chosen (the formation is called Fallen Champions). They count as CSM faction, cannot take transports or Marks, and gain some useful special rules (like Infiltrate and ATSKNF). It looks like they may be adapting this to be able to run alongside Imperial forces as Battle Brothers instead of just Chaos, with new Fallen units instead of Chosen.

I just hope I can somehow run them alongside my Dark Angels; the current dataslate does not allow Cypher to be taken in any army that also contains Dark Angels.

**kingbobbito**

ZergSmasher wrote:
I just hope I can somehow run them alongside my Dark Angels; the current dataslate does not allow Cypher to be taken in any army that also contains Dark Angels.

Or at least a way to say "my DA are fallen for this game, getting all the standard DA rules except special characters".

**Warhams-77**

Were they their own faction in the dataslate or considered Codex: CSM? They seem to be their own faction now

**VictorVonTzeentch**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Were they their own faction in the dataslate or considered Codex: CSM? They seem to be their own faction now

They were CSM.

**Warhams-77**

Fallen Champions (GW webstore)

Bolt shells and plasma blasts rain down from all sides as the Fallen Champions spring their ambush. Enemies reel in shock struggling to fight back against deadly attackers who already have them surrounded and trapped within their gunsights. As the cacophony of battle fills the air, Cypher ghosts through the crossfire, eliminating one enemy target after another with salvoes of pistol fire. The Fallen fight as a single force, maximising their firepower and discipline to the detriment of their enemies. Even they do not know Cypher’s dark secrets, but they understand enough to never risk failure or apparent weakness under his gaze.

In this bundle, you’ll receive the models necessary to field the Fallen Champions, a formation from The Gathering Storm: Rise of the Primarch led by Cypher, Lord of the Fallen. You’ll receive:

the Triumvirate of the Primarch; 3 heroic miniatures including

Roboute Guilliman – Primarch of the Ultramarines – clad in the Armour of Fate, adorned with Ultramarines and Imperial iconography and featuring a splendid ceremonial halo, he wields the Hand of Dominion and the Emperor’s Sword (yes, the Emperor’s Sword). Supplied with a sculpted 60mm round base, featuring a broken Imperial Eagle.

Cypher – Lord of the Fallen – bedecked in archaic, makeshift gear appropriate to his renegade nature, his armour is retrofitted with parts from a variety of patterns – each part telling a story. He’s armed with a modified plasma pistol, and carries a particularly interesting sword on his back… Supplied with a Citadel 32mm Round base.

Grand Master Voldus, Warden of the Librarius – clad in ornate terminator armour, bearing marks of the Grey Knights, he is armed with the Malleus Argyrum – an ancient Daemon hammer that acts as a conduit for his psychic energies – and a storm bolter. Supplied with a Citadel 40mm Round base;

a set of 10 Mark IV Space Marines, with an impressive selection of armaments including bolters, missile launcher, heavy bolter, chainswords, power swords, power fists, plasma pistols, lightning claw blades, combi flamer, melta and plasma guns, a melta bomb and a set of combat blades! These miniatures also include ammo packs, holstered bolt pistols and a selection of frag and krak grenades. Supplied with ten Citadel 32mm Round bases and a transfer sheet;

and a set of 5 Fallen, including an upgrade sprue to customise your unit. There are also plenty of spare components that can be used to convert your other multi-part plastic Space Marine squads into Fallen. These are supplied with 5 Citadel 25mm Round bases.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
I see

Found some more info, VeteranNoob on B&C

veterannoob, on 05 Mar 2017 - 05:50 AM, said:

custodes, and well, just about everything in the universe cameo in the story (excellent for the fluff, btw, IMO) but rules section is heavy metal, 2 page color panel Fallen designs, Echoes and Cataclysms of Wars scenario rules, the triumverate individual and together, Fallen as faction but probably not the pages some may hope, GK and daemonic adversaries inline with this narrative better buffs, items, formation/decurion Ultramarines, some items and tactical objectives, warlord traits for UM...think that's about it.

I also like Forge the Narrative, Started a week after us (almost 4 years ago). Listened to their ep tonight.

and Ronin_cse quoting a podcast (Forge the Narrative)

Cypher is basically the same as he is now rules wise. He plays a big part in the story.

Fallen are their own faction now. Their unit is basically the same as DA vets with the same options. There's a formation that includes Cypher and 3 units of fallen

He can still be BB with armies of the imperium minus DA and Chaos Space Marines

They are being super vague about him and the fallen to avoid story spoilers

ronin_cse, on 04 Mar 2017 - 5:37 PM, said:

Fallen are their own faction now. Their unit is basically the same as DA vets with the same options. There's a formation that includes Cypher and 3 units of fallen

Ronin_cse - some of the other rules in the book (source: podcast)

Well I can only listen so fast!

There's a formation that includes Cato, honor guard, and a unit of sternguard or vanguard. Adds 1 to all their WS and BS and allows Guilliman to look out sir with models in the formation

The big detachment gives everything ob sec. Gives you more doctrines for ultra marine models. Sounds like it's just another version of the regular gladius. Also it includes relics for Ultramarines in the book. There is a Triumvirate formation of course but they didn't go over the rules for that

Warlord traits too, one allows you to seize on a 2+.

there's a cloak that gives IWnD and Eternal Warrior. There's a standard that allows a killed model to complete a shooting or combat attack before it is removed. 60 pts though

Spoiler:

Back to the rules (there was an interview in between). Just dropped a hint that Draigo leaves the warp for a second to bless the new GK character

Voldis has frag grenades...his thunder hammer IS NOT unwieldy

Daemonic adversaries chart: basically a way to come up with a reason for GK to fight something that ISN'T daemons. Could add effects like xenos that are possessed by daemons for example, really just a narrative tool

Bulwark of purity: 1 librarian, 2 units of paladins, 2 terminators (all grey knights). Librarian must wear terminator. While 3+ units on battlefield you can add +1 to deny the witch tests, and if any unit casts banishment all daemons within 12" of any unit in the formation are also affected

Sete, on 04 Mar 2017 - 5:28 PM, said:
I need a bit of explanation on that one

That's all they said about it. Think of it like the empearyon (spelling?) chart from GS1, really just there to add flavor to the game

**Crazyterran**

Everying i wanted. Its Ultrachristmas!

Praise the Primarch! Praise Roundtree!

**Slayer-Fan123**

I'm glad Ultramarines are getting stuff akin to Angel of Death. Now we just need Black Templars relics and formations and we will be set!

**Warhams-77**

Ordered all three Triumvirate sets and book II + III yesterday. I enjoyed reading part I and look forward to playing through the entire campaign this summer. Overall, a good release. It reminds me quite a lot of 1992 and Jervis Johnson's Wargame Series, with Bill King fleshing out the Horus Heresy story, followed by Battle for Armageddon and Doom of the Eldar. All three (four with 1st Battle for Armageddon expansion) were laying the foundations for so many of today's storylines. I hope GW continues with these in-depth, story driven campaigns

**alphaecho**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Davor wrote:
Fluff is eternal? Then how come Dark Angels are green and not black like in Rouge Trader? How come we have Primarchs? How come we have 30K? We had none of that in Rogue Trader.

Because that was 40K at its inception. There was a mass rationalisation of the 40K setting at the start of 2nd Ed where they defined everything and threw out a lot of the weirder RT stuff.

Weird stuff?

Surely you mean all the good stuff like half Eldar UM officers named after Romanian tennis players?

Sarcasm obviously on my part.

The 2ndEd background and warhead books are still a good read for me after 23 years. We even got electro priests back.

**guru**

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/rise-of-the-primarch-meet-40ks-newest-faction.html

**unmercifulconker**

Thanks for compiling that information Warhams, sounds

awesome!

**Roleplayer**

The High Lords of Terra and Segmentum Command speak the words of the Emperor with the voice of the Ecclesiarchy

This so called 'primarch' is a usurper, and must be put to the sword.

The faithful must remain vigilant against the false prophet!

**unmercifulconker**

The will of the Emperor's son is the will of the Emperor, any who dispute this are enemies of man and must be destroyed.

Edit: Player Civil War has entered the game.

**zamerion**

Voldus review:

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/03/05/triumvirate-of-the-primarch-tactical-review-grand-master-voldus/

**BrianDavion**

Roleplayer wrote:The High Lords of Terra and Segmentum Command speak the words of the Emperor with the voice of the Ecclesiarchy

This so called 'primarch' is a usurper, and must be put to the sword.

The faithful must remain vigilant against the false prophet!

unmercifulconker wrote:The will of the Emperor's son is the will of the Emperor, any who dispute this are enemies of man and must be destroyed.

Edit: Player Civil War has entered the game.

And this is why I'm stoked by the possiabilities!

**Rayvon**

unmercifulconker wrote:

Edit: Player Civil War has entered the game.

It has always been there though, all GW have done is remove the need for imagination.

**commander dante**

So Voldus and Guilliman have been leaked
But Cypher hasnt?
I NEED to see his rules!

**NivlacSupreme**

I think they're the same.

**TedNugent**

commander dante wrote:
So Voldus and Guilliman have been leaked
But Cypher hasnt?
I NEED to see his rules!

Cypher already has a dataslate. Not sure if he's in this new book or not.

In the dataslate was basically a captain in the dataslate with EW and with an MC bolt and plasma pistol that can fire both. He had ridiculous ballistic skill and could use his pistol profiles in close combat.

**Kanluwen**

guru wrote:
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2017/03/rise-of-the-primarch-meet-40ks-newest-faction.html

For those who don't want to click through and give BoLS anything:

The two most important bits.

**NivlacSupreme**

Victrix guard?

**BrianDavion**

zamerion wrote:
Voldus review:

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/03/05/triumvirate-of-the-primarch-tactical-review-grand-master-voldus/

I think that review of Voldus misses the fact that as a HQ choice you don't have to pay a "Librarian tax" to take Voldus. handy if you're ever trying to squeeze a small Grey Knights task force in. as you could take Voldus INSTEAD of "a Librarian and Dragio"

**Kanluwen**

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Victrix guard?

It didn't say anything about them in the article. They're going to be drawing it out over the week.

From what Warhams said, I think it would be the Sicarius, Honor Guard, unit of Sternguard or Vanguard formation. Adds 1 to their WS/BS and allows Guilliman to Look Out, Sir with models in the formation.

What I 100% need to know is whether or not the Fallen Champions formation is 100% confirmed to be just Cypher and 3 units of Fallen or if it's the Triumvirate.

**NivlacSupreme**

Kanluwen wrote:
NivlacSupreme wrote:
Victrix guard?

It didn't say anything about them in the article. They're going to be drawing it out over the week.

From what Warhams said, I think it would be the Sicarius, Honor Guard, unit of Sternguard or Vanguard formation. Adds 1 to their WS/BS and allows Guilliman to Look Out, Sir with models in the formation.

What I 100% need to know is whether or not the Fallen Champions formation is 100% confirmed to be just Cypher and 3 units of Fallen or if it's the Triumvirate.

There's also a Victrix strike force.

**Kanluwen**

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
NivlacSupreme wrote:
Victrix guard?

It didn't say anything about them in the article. They're going to be drawing it out over the week.

From what Warhams said, I think it would be the Sicarius, Honor Guard, unit of Sternguard or Vanguard formation. Adds 1 to their WS/BS and allows Guilliman to Look Out, Sir with models in the formation.

What I 100% need to know is whether or not the Fallen Champions formation is 100% confirmed to be just Cypher and 3 units of Fallen or if it's the Triumvirate.

There's also a Victrix strike force.

Victrix Strike Force Detachment.

**Samsonov**

I think the response to all this shows quite some different audiences are in the community. We have the biggest change to 40K background in 25 years and most people are discussing the rules for a couple of models, ones who will only be used in some games and then only be one component of those games.

However, I think the people who are most interested in background are likely to be buying less than those who are interested in the rules for the latest models, so perhaps GW is taking the correct approach when it comes to selling models.