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2017/03/06 09:51:01
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Huh, the ability to combine Doctrines.
Neat. Definitely a very Ultramarine thing.
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2017/03/06 10:00:57
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
Lost in the warp while searching for a new codex
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+4 to seize initiative basically assures that you go first. Did RG come with all Warlord traits?
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I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time.
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2017/03/06 10:01:45
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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tedurur wrote:+4 to seize initiative basically assures that you go first. Did RG come with all Warlord traits?
He comes with all the Command Warlord Traits so he seemingly wouldn't get these.
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2017/03/06 10:13:27
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Brutal Black Orc
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I love the noble visage trait. It's basically: he's handsome, I'm GOING TO BE MORE HEROIC!
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2017/03/06 10:32:54
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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Let's see what Formations are in the book before I get super excited about the Victrix, and more specifically, what the Victrix is made up of.
(AKA Skyhammer please)
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 warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
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2017/03/06 11:33:02
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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Love the look of that warlord table.
Victrix looks good. No free transports, but I’m not sad to see that go. ObSec for all non-vehicles is very nice. The ability to stack doctrines is going to be very situational. I liked the fact that you needed to choose personally. I suspect it will have access to all the auxiliaries I care about, so will probably turn into my new default.
Banner is pricy, but worth flying. Especially if we are footslogging across the table with RG.
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2017/03/06 11:46:45
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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 Crazyterran wrote:Let's see what Formations are in the book before I get super excited about the Victrix, and more specifically, what the Victrix is made up of.
(AKA Skyhammer please)
I'm curious what the CORE will be, the standard demi battle company's special rules would be pretty much redundant in said task force. so will Ultramarines just have to deal with it? are they getting a NEW "UM specific" demi battle company? or access to one of the new ones in AoD? or will it be an entirely new way of doing the core right from the bare bones? so many possiabilities, it excites me!
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2017/03/06 11:54:13
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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The Victrix's sole difference (speaking solely about command benefits) to the Gladius is free transports for taking two Battle Companies versus combining Doctrines, right? I'm a bit rusty on my Space Marine rules.
EDIT: Never mind, I just realized only Demi-Companies get Objective Secured and not the whole Gladius, whereas the Victrix gives everything Objective Secured. Neat!
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2017/03/06 11:55:50
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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BrianDavion wrote: Crazyterran wrote:Let's see what Formations are in the book before I get super excited about the Victrix, and more specifically, what the Victrix is made up of.
(AKA Skyhammer please)
I'm curious what the CORE will be, the standard demi battle company's special rules would be pretty much redundant in said task force. so will Ultramarines just have to deal with it? are they getting a NEW "UM specific" demi battle company? or access to one of the new ones in AoD? or will it be an entirely new way of doing the core right from the bare bones? so many possiabilities, it excites me!
The basic battle demi-co is only partly redundant.
It gives ObSec to everything, so pods/rhinos/dreads.
It gives you another tac doctrine, which the Victrix will let you stack with others.
You might be better off with one the other cores, that trades the ObSec for fancy rules, but there is some synergy here. But I’d not be surprised if we didn’t see many core options.
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2017/03/06 12:13:01
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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 Nevelon wrote:BrianDavion wrote: Crazyterran wrote:Let's see what Formations are in the book before I get super excited about the Victrix, and more specifically, what the Victrix is made up of.
(AKA Skyhammer please)
I'm curious what the CORE will be, the standard demi battle company's special rules would be pretty much redundant in said task force. so will Ultramarines just have to deal with it? are they getting a NEW "UM specific" demi battle company? or access to one of the new ones in AoD? or will it be an entirely new way of doing the core right from the bare bones? so many possiabilities, it excites me!
The basic battle demi-co is only partly redundant.
It gives ObSec to everything, so pods/rhinos/dreads.
It gives you another tac doctrine, which the Victrix will let you stack with others.
You might be better off with one the other cores, that trades the ObSec for fancy rules, but there is some synergy here. But I’d not be surprised if we didn’t see many core options.
I suppose it depends what the Victrix is supposed to be, if it's supposed to be say, Gulliman's personal body guard/task force it might use a core of honor guard and first company members. I do notice that there was a pack selling strike force ultra with gulliman. could THAT be the core?
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2017/03/06 12:26:22
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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The Marine Standing Behind Marneus Calgar
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BrianDavion wrote:I suppose it depends what the Victrix is supposed to be, if it's supposed to be say, Gulliman's personal body guard/task force it might use a core of honor guard and first company members. I do notice that there was a pack selling strike force ultra with gulliman. could THAT be the core?
My guess is that it will have two core options.
One will be the basic battle demi co. Do all the SM big formations include it? I think they do, but would need to double check.
What the second one will be is up in the air. Could be something new, but I could see them putting Strike Force Ultra there.
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2017/03/06 12:33:55
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Implacable Black Templar Initiate
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It would be nice if the Victrix let you use auxillary detachments from codex:SM and AoD
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2017/03/06 12:53:24
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Bounding Dark Angels Assault Marine
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2017/03/06 13:08:11
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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I wish someone would do just a TLDR review of the fluff...
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2017/03/06 13:10:59
Subject: Re:The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Implacable Black Templar Initiate
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They way they were pronouncing Guilliman was horrific.
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2017/03/06 13:36:47
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Glad they're continuing the tradition of having GK be overcosted pieces of crap. Don't want people whining about 5th ed. again do we?
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wtf is this buddhist monk ascendant martial dice arts crap lol
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2017/03/06 14:01:47
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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 Kellevil wrote:It would be nice if the Victrix let you use auxillary detachments from codex: SM and AoD
It will almost definitely allow some of them. Especially stuff from the Codex. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some allowed from Angels of Death (ObSec Skyhammer Annihilation Force anyone?).
I am a little bit miffed that they will probably be able to field ObSec Sternguard better than I can with my Crimson Fists, but since when do the Crimson Fists ever get anything nice anyway?
Honestly, I am considering running my Crimson Fists using Ultramarines Tactics at this point. Which sucks because it would turn Pedro Kantor into a generic Captain/Chapter Master.
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2017/03/06 15:04:05
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Damsel of the Lady
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 Quickjager wrote:Glad they're continuing the tradition of having GK be overcosted pieces of crap. Don't want people whining about 5th ed. again do we?
I wish I'd played during 5th to see the glory days. :(
Do we have any more word on the GK formation? Last I saw it was 1 Librarian, 2 Paladins, 2 Terminators and you get +1 to DTW and Stern's version of Banishment. I'm hoping there's more to it than that.
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2017/03/06 15:14:02
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Bloodthirsty Bloodletter
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Just give me the Fallen rules/formation already, I need to know what the source book they're using is or if it's self-contained and separate from other books.
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2017/03/06 15:22:27
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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 BroodSpawn wrote:Just give me the Fallen rules/formation already, I need to know what the source book they're using is or if it's self-contained and separate from other books.
There's a unit entry for Fallen in the table of contents. I think it's safe to say that it is self-contained.
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2017/03/06 15:32:08
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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Quickjager wrote:Glad they're continuing the tradition of having GK be overcosted pieces of crap. Don't want people whining about 5th ed. again do we?
Oh shush.
You young pups don't remember the glory of 3.5 CSM.
Alas, how we must suffer for the Sins of Haines for 4 editions.
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2017/03/06 15:38:19
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
'Murica! (again)
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someone already posted pics over the weekend. But the formation with Cypher and 1-3 units fallen gives them infiltrate and the fallen units in this formation w/in 12" Cypher get ATSKNFear and stubborn 
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2017/03/06 15:47:15
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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 VeteranNoob wrote:someone already posted pics over the weekend. But the formation with Cypher and 1-3 units fallen gives them infiltrate and the fallen units in this formation w/in 12" Cypher get ATSKNFear and stubborn
Hum. I never saw those. Got a link?
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2017/03/06 15:53:45
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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VeteranNoob wrote:someone already posted pics over the weekend. But the formation with Cypher and 1-3 units fallen gives them infiltrate and the fallen units in this formation w/in 12" Cypher get ATSKNFear and stubborn
So.....basically...
A slightly improved version of the Dataslate formation.
The real question is...are the Fallen using CSM Chosen as their base or DA Company Veterans?
Chosen = No Grav, Storm Bolters, Combat or Storm Shields.
Company Veterans = No 4 x Plasma/Melta Squads
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2017/03/06 15:55:43
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Someone *ahem* over on Facebook has enhanced the Custodes/ GKs/whoisit image, if you zoom in on the Rhino...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154266201631727&set=p.10154266201631727&type=3
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 Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
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2017/03/06 16:08:06
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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2017/03/06 16:31:58
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Peregrine - If you like the army buy it, and don't worry about what one random person on the internet thinks.
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2017/03/06 16:42:46
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Northridge, CA
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 DarkStarSabre wrote: VeteranNoob wrote:someone already posted pics over the weekend. But the formation with Cypher and 1-3 units fallen gives them infiltrate and the fallen units in this formation w/in 12" Cypher get ATSKNFear and stubborn
So.....basically...
A slightly improved version of the Dataslate formation.
The real question is...are the Fallen using CSM Chosen as their base or DA Company Veterans?
Chosen = No Grav, Storm Bolters, Combat or Storm Shields.
Company Veterans = No 4 x Plasma/Melta Squads
I NEEDA KNOW THESE THINGS
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2017/03/06 16:43:20
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Krazed Killa Kan
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I'm kind of annoyed BOLS didn't talk about Cypher's rules, but they did mention that they were new rules, so I guess they're legitimately different from the existing dataslate.
One thing I was thinking about was that Roboute in CC would obliterate an Imperial Knight before it gets to swing. S10 AP1 with Armourbane I6 with 6 attacks and a SD attack on a 6 roll....
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2017/03/06 16:58:29
Subject: The Gathering Storm Part III: Rise of the Primarch -- twitch broadcast 3.3.17
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Damsel of the Lady
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 TedNugent wrote:I'm kind of annoyed BOLS didn't talk about Cypher's rules, but they did mention that they were new rules, so I guess they're legitimately different from the existing dataslate.
One thing I was thinking about was that Roboute in CC would obliterate an Imperial Knight before it gets to swing. S10 AP1 with Armourbane I6 with 6 attacks and a SD attack on a 6 roll....
To be fair, Rowboat costs about the same as a Knight. Errants are 325 and Paladins are 375. Most Knights have better shooting and access to stomp too plus moving 12". So he seems about fairly costed to them.
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