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 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

I'm wonder how far the arms race will go. I just can't wait until one party or other starts trying lock the minority party out of meetings and such.

Didnt the GOP already do that this term?

Well lots of antics occurred in the 1800s. This could get fun.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

Because YOUR precious Republican Party behaved in the same way that a two year old does when denied candy at the checkout counter.

Stop pretending this is anything other than the Republicans' fault.

Right. The GOP were so powerful, they essentially nuked the filibuster.

Man... why did they ever need to take control over the Senate.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Well this is ironic
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rick-perry-the-man-in-charge-of-americas-nukes-weighs-in-on-texas-am-student-election-145825577.html

Perry’s complaint was about the process by which Bobby Brooks, who would become the first openly gay student president in the university’s history, won the election last month. Brooks finished 750 votes behind Robert McIntosh, the son of a prominent GOP fundraiser, but McIntosh was disqualified after he was found to violate a campaign finance rule over some glow sticks used in a campaign video. But “Brooks did not win the election,” wrote Perry. “He finished second by more than 750 votes to one Mr. Robert McIntosh.

Not seeing how that is related to the politics thread.

If you can't see it then I feel bad for you

You really are just a troll aren't you. Putting you on Ignore.

Nah I can just find it ironic that Perry works for a man who lost the popular vote and then complains about someone losing with more votes to someone who had less votes


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 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

I'm wonder how far the arms race will go. I just can't wait until one party or other starts trying lock the minority party out of meetings and such.

Didnt the GOP already do that this term?

Yep they did

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

I'm wonder how far the arms race will go. I just can't wait until one party or other starts trying lock the minority party out of meetings and such.

Didnt the GOP already do that this term?

.


I think for one of the GOP committee for a Trump appointee confirmation started a meeting w/o the Ds because the Ds were across the hall 'sitting-out' in front of the cameras... is that what you meant?

And the group that got locked out was the Hispanic democrat caucus and it was about immigration reform so imagine that


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 whembly wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

I'm wonder how far the arms race will go. I just can't wait until one party or other starts trying lock the minority party out of meetings and such.

Didnt the GOP already do that this term?

.


I think for one of the GOP committee for a Trump appointee confirmation started a meeting w/o the Ds because the Ds were across the hall 'sitting-out' in front of the cameras... is that what you meant?

Nope you are wrong on that

That was it, Speaker Ryan had the Hispanic Democratic Caucus members kicked out of a meeting with the head of ICE.

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

Because YOUR precious Republican Party behaved in the same way that a two year old does when denied candy at the checkout counter.

Stop pretending this is anything other than the Republicans' fault.

Right. The GOP were so powerful, they essentially nuked the filibuster.

Man... why did they ever need to take control over the Senate.

And so the cycle begins a new, with Whembly pretending that this was not explained to him just mere days earlier.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

Because YOUR precious Republican Party behaved in the same way that a two year old does when denied candy at the checkout counter.

Stop pretending this is anything other than the Republicans' fault.

Right. The GOP were so powerful, they essentially nuked the filibuster.

Man... why did they ever need to take control over the Senate.

And so the cycle begins a new, with Whembly pretending that this was not explained to him just mere days earlier.

Right, because you continue ignore what team blue have done. Stop pretending that Democrats weren't culpable.

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

Because YOUR precious Republican Party behaved in the same way that a two year old does when denied candy at the checkout counter.

Stop pretending this is anything other than the Republicans' fault.

Right. The GOP were so powerful, they essentially nuked the filibuster.

Man... why did they ever need to take control over the Senate.

And so the cycle begins a new, with Whembly pretending that this was not explained to him just mere days earlier.

Right, because you continue ignore what team blue have done. Stop pretending that Democrats weren't culpable.

See the aforementioned posts from Sebster and others as to why Democrats did what they did.

TL;DR version? Because Republicans literally left them no other option.

 Dreadwinter wrote:
We do take joy in killing animals because that often brings us food.

You can have more food with less efforts by buying in a shop.

You like killing innocent stuff. You enjoy it. It's just a fact…
And you will be hard-pressed to show how the fact I eat pasta means I like to kill innocent corn, because it's just not true ^^.

Political brinkmanship. What could go wrong?

Regarding Trump's Kids, I am fine with them getting protection. They should, even on vacation. I have no problem with the president taking vacations and the taxpayer paying for it.

I have a problem with the President having so many vacations after criticizing the last President for taking too many vacations. I also have a probelm with him saying on the campaign trail taht he will be too busy working than taking vacation, and then taking vacation. Make sense?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Dreadwinter wrote:
We do take joy in killing animals because that often brings us food.

You can have more food with less efforts by buying in a shop.

You like killing innocent stuff. You enjoy it. It's just a fact…
And you will be hard-pressed to show how the fact I eat pasta means I like to kill innocent corn, because it's just not true ^^.

Assuming you don't hand grind your own wheat into flour and just eat mass produced pasta, it could be argued you're killing the planet by enabling companies to mass produce food with shoddy practices that contribute to global warming as opposed to growing your own food.

 whembly wrote:

 feeder wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ivanka-trump-family-aspen-skiing-holiday-family-taxpayer-secret-service-agent-a7643246.html

So we don't have enough money to feed the elderly, but we do have enough to let some rich feths go skiing.

...so, they can't go vacay?

Not if they don't want to be colossal hypocrites.

How so? The Obama family went on many trips costing a pretty coin. Did you complain then? (ftr, I wanted Obama to vacay as much as he could to keep him away from the pen & phone )

I'm not complaining. Trump's loud whining about Obama & family going on vacation, and now he's on track to blow Obama's two-term total out of the water in the first half of his term, is colossally hypocritical. But, as the cool kids say, Trump's gotta Trump.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Assuming you don't hand grind your own wheat into flour and just eat mass produced pasta, it could be argued you're killing the planet by enabling companies to mass produce food with shoddy practices that contribute to global warming as opposed to growing your own food.

Indeed. But this is a completely different issue from killing stuff for fun, isn't it?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Assuming you don't hand grind your own wheat into flour and just eat mass produced pasta, it could be argued you're killing the planet by enabling companies to mass produce food with shoddy practices that contribute to global warming as opposed to growing your own food.

Indeed. But this is a completely different issue from killing stuff for fun, isn't it?

Oh, just get a room you two

Looks like Nunes is now apologizing for his actions. I doubt there will be any repercussions.

Meanwhile, Trump descends into Clintonesque word parsing. From his rambling Time interview:
"When I said wiretapping, it was in quotes. Because a wiretapping is, you know, today it is different than wire tapping. It is just a good description. But wiretapping was in quotes. What I'm talking about is surveillance."

Apparently he also believes he is mostly right because Brexit. Seriously.

AHCA.... terrible healthcare legislation or the worst possible healthcare legistlation?

If this gets passed, people will be begging for ACA.... or better yet..... Single Payer!

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Assuming you don't hand grind your own wheat into flour and just eat mass produced pasta, it could be argued you're killing the planet by enabling companies to mass produce food with shoddy practices that contribute to global warming as opposed to growing your own food.

Indeed. But this is a completely different issue from killing stuff for fun, isn't it?

Not really. A single deer has a much smaller carbon footprint than a cow that was raised for dairy or beef.

I also do not like killing "innocent" stuff. I do not hunt. Mostly because I do not want to sit in a tree at 4am freezing my balls off. Now, what is your definition of "innocent"? Are natural predators such as mountain lions and bears monsters because they kill these "innocent" animals for food? They could just eat grass and berries.

You are all over the place with your arguments here. You clearly know nothing about conservation, because if the deer population in my area was left unchecked, then they would end up killing themselves as well as many other species by overpopulating and then decimating the plants that the ecosystem needs to survive. They sound real "innocent" when you bring that up, right?

 Easy E wrote:


Regarding Trump's Kids, I am fine with them getting protection. They should, even on vacation. I have no problem with the president taking vacations and the taxpayer paying for it.

I have a problem with the President having so many vacations after criticizing the last President for taking too many vacations. I also have a probelm with him saying on the campaign trail taht he will be too busy working than taking vacation, and then taking vacation. Make sense?

Yup. I agree and fair game on the last bit.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Assuming you don't hand grind your own wheat into flour and just eat mass produced pasta, it could be argued you're killing the planet by enabling companies to mass produce food with shoddy practices that contribute to global warming as opposed to growing your own food.

Indeed. But this is a completely different issue from killing stuff for fun, isn't it?

Debatable. I think mass produced food has a much higher effect than people killing for fun. Just wanted to remind you of glass houses and stones

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ustrello wrote:
Well this is ironic
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rick-perry-the-man-in-charge-of-americas-nukes-weighs-in-on-texas-am-student-election-145825577.html

Perry’s complaint was about the process by which Bobby Brooks, who would become the first openly gay student president in the university’s history, won the election last month. Brooks finished 750 votes behind Robert McIntosh, the son of a prominent GOP fundraiser, but McIntosh was disqualified after he was found to violate a campaign finance rule over some glow sticks used in a campaign video. But “Brooks did not win the election,” wrote Perry. “He finished second by more than 750 votes to one Mr. Robert McIntosh.

Not seeing how that is related to the politics thread.

I'm sorry that (presumably as a Texan) you're embarrassed by Rick Perry, but the fact that the newly confirmed US Secretary of Energy feels it among his first priorities in office to weigh in on student elections seems pretty political to me.

If it makes you feel any better, since he's a a cabinet member, as an American I am equally embarrassed by Rick Perry now, too. He's our dumbass.

 Kanluwen wrote:
See the aforementioned posts from Sebster and others as to why Democrats did what they did.

TL;DR version? Because Republicans literally left them no other option.

At this point, it is 100% on you and Sebster for continuing to provide a platform for him. You know exactly what's going to happen, and keep letting him hold that football, while he screams at you, "I'm not gonna yank it away this time, Charlie Brown, honest!"

No, this isn't the time you're going to have an honest debate with him. It won't be next time or the time after that or ever, ever ever.

 Frazzled wrote:
Well lots of antics occurred in the 1800s. This could get fun.

I for one would love to see some duels on the House/Senate floors... Most of those pathetic fools have never done a day of military time, so the footage would undoubtedly go to Comedy Central pretty quick

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 jreilly89 wrote:
Assuming you don't hand grind your own wheat into flour and just eat mass produced pasta, it could be argued you're killing the planet by enabling companies to mass produce food with shoddy practices that contribute to global warming as opposed to growing your own food.

Indeed. But this is a completely different issue from killing stuff for fun, isn't it?

Debatable. I think mass produced food has a much higher effect than people killing for fun. Just wanted to remind you of glass houses and stones

Can you guys please take this elsewhere?


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 Kanluwen wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Yup.

Sad state with the Senate really. Allowing a minority to block bad ideas can be meaningful and ought to be cherished more.

Alas, that's over...

Because YOUR precious Republican Party behaved in the same way that a two year old does when denied candy at the checkout counter.

Stop pretending this is anything other than the Republicans' fault.


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 NinthMusketeer wrote:
I think the Dems should stick to the (relatively) high road for two more years at least. I strongly suspect it's about to pay off. Of course that's assuming we put basic decency and respect for their offices aside but i think we can agree that largely died off some time ago.

I doubt it. Trump voters are living in a separate reality than the rest of us. They're fed news from places like Fox or Breitbart, where anything and everything is the fault of the Democrats and the Republicans are the plucky underdogs of the story.

I meant in the sense of motivating democratic turnout, rather than, as you say, convincing the unconvinicible.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Well lots of antics occurred in the 1800s. This could get fun.

I for one would love to see some duels on the House/Senate floors... Most of those pathetic fools have never done a day of military time, so the footage would undoubtedly go to Comedy Central pretty quick

Exactly. I want to see Warren and McConnell going Mano O Mano with Mac 10s while Cruz dive bombs people while riding Mordor Fell Beast.

Welp looks like the vote for Trumpcare/RyanCare was delayed, So much for making the "deal"

7 years of claiming they could do it better, and this is what they come up with - hot garbage they couldn't dare bring it to a vote.

Is the democrats fault that the republicans won't work with each other to compromise?

 d-usa wrote:
Is the democrats fault that the republicans won't work with each other to compromise?

Everything's the Dems fault, obviously.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Is the democrats fault that the republicans won't work with each other to compromise?

Everything's the Dems fault, obviously.

I bet you it was that retired Harry Ried!

 Ouze wrote:
7 years of claiming they could do it better, and this is what they come up with - hot garbage they couldn't dare bring it to a vote.

TBF the plan so far is so terrible and destructive even ISIS won't claim it.



..meanwhile..

The group proposing to cut breast cancer screening, maternity care, and contraceptive coverage :