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JWBS wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Renegade is knocking on for a couple of years old.

I'd suggest they made a bunch to support the Knight Codex release, but as their production bottleneck is still ongoing it isn't a regular item on the schedule and won't be until their new space and machines are online.

Consequently I don't think it's a fair comparison to the launch of a new product which GW may be giving "new edition" levels of marketing.

Nah man, Renegade fro 2016 was entirely different. Knights weren't a thing, as far as armies go, and did it even include the warden sprue? It probably did. But it wasn't the same (I'll qualify my statement again - I've not been following the 40k scene for literally years, it's just this resurgence of titans and huge mechs that has brought me back. You may well be right, but from my perspective, they really screwed us on the latest KR release. I was intending to buy it, a month or two, after having been convinced that it was staying around for a good while. But now I'm having to buy individual Knights to convert into Wardens etc because the box is as rare as hen's teeth - just a half dozen weeks after release).

Just different terrain sprue AFAIK. Knights were very much a thing, they've had a Codex since there was only one kit.

designers interview

They said there might be bigger titans!!

Might be is as good as maybe which is as good as yes!

IMPERATORS! !

This sounds interesting and sufficiently different from 40K (I have never played any of the original iterations of this game.)
That sort of micromanaging each titan is quite unlike anything in 40K. Will the knights have such control sheets too, or will they use simpler mechanics?

Apparently it is designed to be played with three to seven titans in an army (presumably not counting the knights,) so the giant starter box doesn't even give you a minimum sized force... That is worrying.

They also said that they're unlikely to make smaller models than Questoris Knights, which is a shame, I definitely wanted to have Armigers.

 Overread wrote:
They said there might be bigger titans!!

Might be is as good as maybe which is as good as yes!

IMPERATORS! !

If AT is sucessful and they continue to support it it's a good guess we'll see bigger titans. GW loves giving us bigger and bigger models

Crimson the knights likely won't have their own micro sheet. The Warlords will and that's where the micro comes in, which is why you have so few of them in a standard game. Indeed its why even one Warlord can still be a good starting point (same as how a getting started box set might only be 500points of models - it gets you started with a viable force; but its not the 2K standard most aim for).

So on that score 3-7 means that its a nice starting point to get at least one or two warlords (depending if you split or keep the whole box).

Knights and similar smaller mechs won't have the same level of micro control because not only would it choke the fun of the game in too much detail; but because they are not likely to survive a big round of shooting from a Titan. They are designed to fight each other whilst dodging and hiding from the titanic weapons and then deliver a killing blow or a distraction from a flank; or to secure objectives etc....

Reavers I'd expect to get their own table of stats; Warhounds I don't know they could go either way.


Armigers "might" make it in, but I think by smaller they were meaning things like baneblades, lemon russ tanks and the rest- ergo they are really not thinking of making tanks troops, plans etc... This is a Titan game for Titans and Knights!

I can't wait to get my hands on this. The plasma reactor rules especially could make for interesting late game. Balancing risk and reward with an ailing warlord!

Chopstick wrote:
I reckon those 3 pack knights will be 30US$, they could easily made a 6 pack knight and sold for 35/40US$ like Blood Bowl/Necromunda.

I hope you're right, but I can see them trying 3 for $40 or even $50.

 Crimson wrote:
This sounds interesting and sufficiently different from 40K (I have never played any of the original iterations of this game.)
That sort of micromanaging each titan is quite unlike anything in 40K. Will the knights have such control sheets too, or will they use simpler mechanics?

Apparently it is designed to be played with three to seven titans in an army (presumably not counting the knights,) so the giant starter box doesn't even give you a minimum sized force... That is worrying.

They also said that they're unlikely to make smaller models than Questoris Knights, which is a shame, I definitely wanted to have Armigers.

Maybe so but given what we know and the level of micro managing I suspect a 1 v 1 match will be a legit quick game. the equivilant of a 40k 500 point game, with the 3 to 7 titans being the equivilant of a 1500-2000 point game.

One thing intreasting is they give us 8 command terminals but only 4 units. so "room to grow" at least

 Elbows wrote:
What I'm not really getting at the moment, is the reference to "never done a box set of this scale before". This doesn't look any bigger than some of the larger boxed games of the past to me. Perhaps sprue count is higher or something, but I see a few small plastic buildings (sprue and card), a decent chunk of plastic sprues for the Warlords, and a rulebook, some dice and card pieces. I see nothing particularly grand about the contents of the box.

In weight of plastic, I see this on par with Dark Imperium, etc.

Looking at the built contents, it certainly doesn't seem like a massive amount of stuff, but it's deceptive... you have to factor in the not-quite-40K-Knight-sized Warlords, and the buildings appear to be a lot of sprues for very little end content. It's certainly much more plastic than any of their previous starters, but most of that is tied up in those tiny little buildings.

 insaniak wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
What I'm not really getting at the moment, is the reference to "never done a box set of this scale before". This doesn't look any bigger than some of the larger boxed games of the past to me. Perhaps sprue count is higher or something, but I see a few small plastic buildings (sprue and card), a decent chunk of plastic sprues for the Warlords, and a rulebook, some dice and card pieces. I see nothing particularly grand about the contents of the box.

In weight of plastic, I see this on par with Dark Imperium, etc.

Looking at the built contents, it certainly doesn't seem like a massive amount of stuff, but it's deceptive... you have to factor in the not-quite-40K-Knight-sized Warlords, and the buildings appear to be a lot of sprues for very little end content. It's certainly much more plastic than any of their previous starters, but most of that is tied up in those tiny little buildings.

yeah if avoiding the buildings nets a sizeable savings it's proably worth skipping the grandmasters set and buying N scale model railway stuff

BrianDavion wrote:


yeah if avoiding the buildings nets a sizeable savings it's proably worth skipping the grandmasters set and buying N scale model railway stuff

Model railway stuff tends to be insanely expensive. I bet GW terrain will be cheaper.

 Mysterio wrote:

Chopstick wrote:
I reckon those 3 pack knights will be 30US$, they could easily made a 6 pack knight and sold for 35/40US$ like Blood Bowl/Necromunda.

I hope you're right, but I can see them trying 3 for $40 or even $50.

I could see them doing that cause it's GW, but for one sprue that seems like a lot. $35 would be ideal but who knows it could be 40. 50 would be straight up absurd though.

I know they said they would rather do more small titan variants instead of putting resources into an imperator. But at this scale this game is about the only realistic chance we have of ever getting a plastic imperator...so I say they should really consider it cause that would be an amazing centerpiece model, just crazy. Cerastus knights are also a good idea as well.

 Crimson wrote:
This sounds interesting and sufficiently different from 40K (I have never played any of the original iterations of this game.)
That sort of micromanaging each titan is quite unlike anything in 40K. Will the knights have such control sheets too, or will they use simpler mechanics?

Apparently it is designed to be played with three to seven titans in an army (presumably not counting the knights,) so the giant starter box doesn't even give you a minimum sized force... That is worrying.

They also said that they're unlikely to make smaller models than Questoris Knights, which is a shame, I definitely wanted to have Armigers.

I do think it's a bit weird - It's like they've packaged an Ork dreadnought and a unit of Grots, x2. Obviously they're restricted somewhat - they can't give us two warlords, two reavers, four warhounds and a few sprues of knights, that's going too far. And they want enough minis so that two people can each have their own army. I thin maybe one warlord, two reavers, and two knight detatchments would have been nicer, but maybe that would have been too imbalanced?

 Crimson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


yeah if avoiding the buildings nets a sizeable savings it's proably worth skipping the grandmasters set and buying N scale model railway stuff

Model railway stuff tends to be insanely expensive. I bet GW terrain will be cheaper.

could be, especially as you'll have to look hard for stuff that would fit. most model train buildings seem to be more "1950s Americania" not really the 40k gothic vibe.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


yeah if avoiding the buildings nets a sizeable savings it's proably worth skipping the grandmasters set and buying N scale model railway stuff

Model railway stuff tends to be insanely expensive. I bet GW terrain will be cheaper.

could be, especially as you'll have to look hard for stuff that would fit. most model train buildings seem to be more "1950s Americania" not really the 40k gothic vibe.

Whenever anyone mentions model railways in this thread I keep thinking back to the big railway set my Dad made me for one of my birthdays as a youngster. Either that, or the scene in Sopranos where Bobby Bacala gets clipped in the railway store and falls onto the tracks. A great scene (among many) - all the little railway people covering their mouths and eyes as Bobby dies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld0l37eFpEU

Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..

The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.

I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!

Garukadon wrote:
Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..

The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.

I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!

you forgot Battletech, if you're going to list a buncha similer stuff you really shouldn't exclude the granddaddy of the mech games

BrianDavion wrote:

Garukadon wrote:
Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..

The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.

I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!

you forgot Battletech, if you're going to list a buncha similer stuff you really shouldn't exclude the granddaddy of the mech games

I am hoping the new BattleTech mechs are in scale with the New Adeptus Titanicus ones

 Mr Morden wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

Garukadon wrote:
Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..

The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.

I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!

you forgot Battletech, if you're going to list a buncha similer stuff you really shouldn't exclude the granddaddy of the mech games

I am hoping the new BattleTech mechs are in scale with the New Adeptus Titanicus ones

they shooould be roughly on scale. I've got some battletech minis at home come AT release day I'll haul one in and make a comparison with a knight

BrianDavion wrote:

Garukadon wrote:
Thinking out loud, and I haven’t read the comments here..

The design of the game already sounds really fun to get into, and I hope AT will be a good enough platform to become a staple, like AoS and 40k. Expanding the game later... Bio Titans, Megalithic Necron constructions, gigantic demons, Behemoth Orkz stuff. In a way I would like to see a Monster Battle Royal taking place, like Pacific Rim, Godzilla, Robot Jocks, Robotech, all while destroying the city housing all the ruckus.

I plan on going all in on this release and showing my support. Good times ahead!

you forgot Battletech, if you're going to list a buncha similer stuff you really shouldn't exclude the granddaddy of the mech games

They're all Knights though! Even the Avatar, Zeus, Atlas. still little guys

Ah Battletch, yes... that brings back memories.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
This sounds interesting and sufficiently different from 40K (I have never played any of the original iterations of this game.)
That sort of micromanaging each titan is quite unlike anything in 40K. Will the knights have such control sheets too, or will they use simpler mechanics?

Apparently it is designed to be played with three to seven titans in an army (presumably not counting the knights,) so the giant starter box doesn't even give you a minimum sized force... That is worrying.

They also said that they're unlikely to make smaller models than Questoris Knights, which is a shame, I definitely wanted to have Armigers.

Maybe so but given what we know and the level of micro managing I suspect a 1 v 1 match will be a legit quick game. the equivilant of a 40k 500 point game, with the 3 to 7 titans being the equivilant of a 1500-2000 point game.

One thing intreasting is they give us 8 command terminals but only 4 units. so "room to grow" at least

Yep, 1 vs 1 is a perfectly cromulent game. Played quite a few during testing. We were working on the assumption that a Warlord would be a pricey FW resin kit, so we wanted to make sure there was plenty of bang for your buck even if you could only afford a single Warlord each. Don't get me wrong, the game is significantly more interesting with a full maniple with Knight support on each side, but in a one on one game you've still got a number of tactical decisions to make.

So who wants to bet which Knights are next up? My money is on Cerastus, although I'd really like to get a tiny Porphyrion as I'll never own the 28mm version...

 lagoon83 wrote:

cromulent

 xttz wrote:
So who wants to bet which Knights are next up? My money is on Cerastus, although I'd really like to get a tiny Porphyrion as I'll never own the 28mm version...

My gut feeling is they'll do the plastic GW knights first. So I'm going to call it as a 2 pack of dominus, 1 vallent one castellian.

BrianDavion wrote:

 xttz wrote:
So who wants to bet which Knights are next up? My money is on Cerastus, although I'd really like to get a tiny Porphyrion as I'll never own the 28mm version...

My gut feeling is they'll do the plastic GW knights first. So I'm going to call it as a 2 pack of dominus, 1 vallent one castellian.

I'd like to see some of the classics. That one with the claw and melta (That was known as an Errant back then but I guess they'll ret-con it). Or the big gun guy https://www.cargad.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/screenshot-26022014-1150.jpeg (I guess this would be called the Acastus now). But the lancer or anything else would be great. New Knights = win win.


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Here's some nice pics of classic Knights, and the ir nomenclatures for anyone that's unfamiliar

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4f/36/cb/4f36cb6fa4bbec54a901435d2d8c3f04.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/72/0e/66720ecf1e2d2a5a3686fbe83297e0dc.jpg

Those Knights were called Castellan and Crusader, they've already been re-done.

There's a thermal cannon in the Questoris kit, and I think they said we'd get a thunderstrike guantlet later. That's enough for an old school Errant.

There was a knight with a rocket launcher on the top of its armor in the twitch game. I know for sure this bit isn't on the sprues so I hope they slip that on an upgrade sprue fairly soon. There are also a couple knight heads/masks i'd like to see that didn't make it onto the sprue.

 xttz wrote:
Those Knights were called Castellan and Crusader, they've already been re-done.

There's a thermal cannon in the Questoris kit, and I think they said we'd get a thunderstrike guantlet later. That's enough for an old school Errant.

Sure, but the new Castellan bares not much of a resemblance to the old one (gatling gun and claw, vs big gun + another big gun). I'm sure the pattern will continue. They stared making 40k Knights years before they considered a resurgence of Epic Knights, so the names are all up in the air at this point. Edit/ - I'm thinking of the Warden. Which didn't exist back then? Or did? Still my point remains, I hope we will get plenty of new and old configurations, regardless of name designations.


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 Thargrim wrote:
There was a knight with a rocket launcher on the top of its armor in the twitch game. I know for sure this bit isn't on the sprues so I hope they slip that on an upgrade sprue fairly soon. There are also a couple knight heads/masks i'd like to see that didn't make it onto the sprue.

Is there a VOD of this? Much appreciated if you can link one, I'd like to see it.