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 Breotan wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
The warhounds might be sold in pairs and also come with all of their basic weapon options, plus the picture points to multiple armor plates for loyalist/heretics. They could be knight armiger priced or maybe slightly less.

I doubt this. Okay, pairs maybe but not the entire weapons loadout. They'd be limiting sales and GW would never do that. I expect we'll get resin weapon packs akin to what's being done for Necromunda.

Well at the very least we've seen the turbo laser cannons, mega bolter and plasma cannon in plastic. The inferno cannon might also be on the sprue but chris drew the designer who painted those Krytos warhounds simply didn't use it, and also chose to use the more chaosy armor plating. There might only be one of these each per warhound sprue though so with one sprue you couldn't double up on the weapons. Regardless I expect a lot more on the warhounds next weekend at the whfest.

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Well done

Ah. That STC was programmed by a early Mechanicus Adept named "01000010 01100101 01110010 01100111 01101000 01101111 01101100 01110100 00100000 01010011 01110100 01110101 01100100 01110100 01101100 01111001 00100000 01001010 01101111 01101000 01101110 01110011 01101111 01101110 00001101 00001010"

or in low gothic Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

 Thargrim wrote:
The warhounds might be sold in pairs and also come with all of their basic weapon options, plus the picture points to multiple armor plates for loyalist/heretics. They could be knight armiger priced or maybe slightly less.

I'd bet packs of 2 for knight armanger prices yeah. it seems reasonable

richstrach wrote:
Anyone feel like speculating about the price of the Reavers and Warhounds? If the Warlord is £65, I'm guessing £50 for the former and £35 for the latter.

Pure speculation (as requested): My Warlord cost £52, not £65.

The 3x-pack Knights is £16.

I honestly don't see the Reaver costing more than £20, and IMO probably £16 - £18 at "most" (online, non-GW, with 20% discount). That's IMO "per" Reaver ...

 Lord of Deeds wrote:

Kdash wrote:
So, just watched the Lets Play vid myself, and it has really put me off buying the GME set if i am honest.

The standard Warlord loadout practically did nothing to the other "proxied" Warlord over the course of 5 turns, which to me means that all current games (until other Titans and weapons are released) are going to get pretty repetitive early on due to everything revolving around a handful of objectives which you're likely just going to be picking the same ones every time.

It did seem like a very quick game though at skirmish level, though it did feel like it lacked depth.

Does anyone know what a standard "point" game is going to be? I'm liking the look of some of those set maniples, but, i get the impression that you'll be looking at 2000 points plus to max them out, and then the min size ones look to have a massive points differences between them.

Just watched that video as well and calling back to the GW's twitch stream game, the big difference was the inclusion of the Reaver in lieu of a banner of knights. which at least hinted at the tactical depth. I think your observation and concerns are spot on that game play initially will be somewhat stale unless you proxy while waiting for the other titans and weapon options to be released.

Honestly I think this is just how things are with the reincarnated Specialist Games. Anyone buying in within the first 6-12 months with the intention of actually gaming straight away just has to accept the fact you're basically buying the "Early Access" version with all that entails. It's a strategy that seems to work well for GW, since they can roll up a decent initial return on investment from early adopters, maintain a reasonable stream of revenue from those of the first group who stay aboard the hype train and from folk buying just the models, and then they get a second spike down the road when they release a "complete" version of the rules and initial model range and folk who were holding off because of perceived lack of value or because they didn't want to risk buying in to an "unfinished" game in case it bombed fully buy-in.

I might not personally like the model since I'm firmly in the "I want a set of rules complete enough that it's satisfying to play for years even if GW drop support" camp so have to wait around to get games in for a lot of stuff, but it is what it is and I'd rather have these games back in this format, frustrating wait and all, than not have them at all. On the plus side, AT looks like it will hit that "as complete as the original" stage a lot quicker than Necromunda will, since we should have all three main classes of Titan plus a varied selection of weapons for them by the end of this year, and it seems as if the core rules for AT are a far more complete product than N17 to begin with.

EDIT: And I think expecting to pay 20 quid or less for a Reaver is...optimistic, to say the least. I'd be shocked if the GW price was less than £40, probably more like £45. Around £20-25(RRP) is more where I expect the price of a Warhound if they sell them in singles, or basically the same price as the Reaver box if sold as a pair.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Why is there a huge door opening into the air? Because the Emperor has decreed that it is so, all praise his name

(The plans are from a slightly damages STC)

During the terrible winter snow drifts many stories deep build up around the buildings on the outskirts of the hive, which have strategically placed extra doors to allow the workers to enter and exit as normal

Alternatively:
"Adept Procrastinus, your work has come to the attention of the Adeptus Prioris. Please proceed with haste up the stairs and through the red doors."

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Why is there a huge door opening into the air?

It's for the Magus City Governor to address the adoring crowds of acolytes citizens about the virtues of the four-armed emperor.

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Well done

Every Imperial Building needs a special "Traitor's Exit" - just in case!

Warlords at $110 probably mean Reavers at $75 and Warhounds at 2 for $50 (or $60?) if we're 'lucky'.

I'd expect warhound at 2 for $75 with probably all 4 weapons for each, and $65 to $75 for the reaver with 3 or 4 arm weapons and apoc carapace mount

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'd expect warhound at 2 for $75 with probably all 4 weapons for each, and $65 to $75 for the reaver with 3 or 4 arm weapons and apoc carapace mount

Sounds about right to me. given what we've already seen it feels right. I'm hoping we see the Warlord and Knight weapon upgrade sprues soon (if they exist). Honestly I'm more excited to use them for a Knight World army for Epic than anything else.

So anyone know what the Legio specific abilities etc are? I'm curious

Krugerannd wrote:


or in low gothic Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'd expect warhound at 2 for $75 with probably all 4 weapons for each, and $65 to $75 for the reaver with 3 or 4 arm weapons and apoc carapace mount

The reaver sprue is already out there. 2 guns, Gatling Blaster and Laser Blaster. 1 Power Fist with option for close and open palm.

BrianDavion wrote:
So anyone know what the Legio specific abilities etc are? I'm curious

Legio Gryphonicus’ main trait is basically “loadsa reavers” – when forming a Maniple you can trade one Warlord or Warhound slot for a Reaver and when you do there are wargear options to create an up-armoured but slower Reaver and a faster, more manoeuvrable one. Also, you have the option of choosing a specific enemy for each of your Titans to try to take down, and get re-rolls and extra damage, but no-one else in your force can attack that specific enemy Titan.

The Legio Tempestus can deploy Titans by drop-pod(!) (up to Scale 6 or less, so no Warlords), get to re-roll certain results on the machine spirit table, and can make a free attack when they take catastrophic damage. Their big wargear thing is they get Clan ER lasers as an option.

So Legio Tempestus gets clan weapons, Legio Gryphonicus gets zellbrigen. seems legit

 Overread wrote:
Far as I recall hearing/reading the weapon packs for the Warlord are plastic not resin.

I think if we see resin weapons - at least for the warlord- it might only be alternative sculpts (eg early chaos release) or unique weapons not currently featured in the game

Resin ones are the more unusual like warp missiles

well, I've decided to wait for the reprint next year. damn car had to have issues and ate up all of my discretionary funds. I was gonna just bite the bullet but damn starter(car).

i guess I'll just buy the reaver & warhounds when they come out.

even with that, I am thoroughly impressed by the game system and how the damage and shields work. pushing the reactor is an interesting mechanic.

Chopstick wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'd expect warhound at 2 for $75 with probably all 4 weapons for each, and $65 to $75 for the reaver with 3 or 4 arm weapons and apoc carapace mount

The reaver sprue is already out there. 2 guns, Gatling Blaster and Laser Blaster. 1 Power Fist with option for close and open palm.

I hope I'm not imagining it but does that piece in the bottom left look like the muzzles of a carapace mounted mega bolter?

 Mr_Rose wrote:


The Legio Tempestus can deploy Titans by drop-pod(!) (up to Scale 6 or less, so no Warlords)

Pure speculation: a FW titan drop pod model? One for warhounds, one for reavers? Stretching it, one for knights?

In view of the Warlord at £65, I would not be surprised to see the Reaver around £50-55 and a pair of warhounds around £40-45. So £20-22.5 if sold alone. I also envision all 4 weapon types being present in the set. For the reaver the sprue is out there.

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Well done

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It’s grimdark but there’s still demand for Studio flats for inner city hipsters.

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Pure speculation: a FW titan drop pod model? One for warhounds, one for reavers? Stretching it, one for knights?

While I haven't seen the rules yet, given what I've read in the BL books, I'd say this is unlikely.

Titans don't just hop out of drop pods, ala Space Marines.

 schoon wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Pure speculation: a FW titan drop pod model? One for warhounds, one for reavers? Stretching it, one for knights?

While I haven't seen the rules yet, given what I've read in the BL books, I'd say this is unlikely.

Titans don't just hop out of drop pods, ala Space Marines.

Unlikely indeed, but for Reavers and Warhounds from Legio Tempestus, the rule exists as pointed out by Mr_Rose. So that is an example of a very specific product that I would see in resin rather than plastic. Extremely limited as far as who can use it, probably just "nice to have" for a visual effect (unless an expansion adds some kind of support rules). As I said, pure speculation from my part.

 Ugly Green Trog wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'd expect warhound at 2 for $75 with probably all 4 weapons for each, and $65 to $75 for the reaver with 3 or 4 arm weapons and apoc carapace mount

The reaver sprue is already out there. 2 guns, Gatling Blaster and Laser Blaster. 1 Power Fist with option for close and open palm.

I hope I'm not imagining it but does that piece in the bottom left look like the muzzles of a carapace mounted mega bolter?

No, that's the back exhausts of the apoc missile launcher.

Reaver looks nice. 6 Shoulder plates, two carapace plates. Almost makes me want to play. I'll definitely pick one up to assemble and paint though.

 Ugly Green Trog wrote:

Chopstick wrote:

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I'd expect warhound at 2 for $75 with probably all 4 weapons for each, and $65 to $75 for the reaver with 3 or 4 arm weapons and apoc carapace mount

The reaver sprue is already out there. 2 guns, Gatling Blaster and Laser Blaster. 1 Power Fist with option for close and open palm.

I hope I'm not imagining it but does that piece in the bottom left look like the muzzles of a carapace mounted mega bolter?

I am afraid that part is only the back of the missile pod.

 schoon wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Pure speculation: a FW titan drop pod model? One for warhounds, one for reavers? Stretching it, one for knights?

While I haven't seen the rules yet, given what I've read in the BL books, I'd say this is unlikely.

Titans don't just hop out of drop pods, ala Space Marines.

Knights have Drop Castles - now that could be a sweet model (or board )

There are a couple of examples in the Heresy series of Titans deploying from landing pods , Usyally ends badly if not supported. The landers are heavily armoured so as cover etc they could add an interesting aspect to the game. In one novel a Titan fires its main weapon whilst on board a transport. At infantry. On the same transport.

 Mr Morden wrote:


Knights have Drop Castles - now that could be a sweet model (or board )

Definitely, some people will scratch-build such models, that would indeed be sweet

For what it's worth, the reaver's head and weapons sprue with coloured dots for the components of the head and the different weapons (no dots = no idea where it goes)

 schoon wrote:

Mendi Warrior wrote:
Pure speculation: a FW titan drop pod model? One for warhounds, one for reavers? Stretching it, one for knights?

While I haven't seen the rules yet, given what I've read in the BL books, I'd say this is unlikely.

Titans don't just hop out of drop pods, ala Space Marines.

he likely used drop pods to simplify, remember the post we're getting the term drop pods from Also refered to someone getting "clan ER Large lasers" obviously he didn't mean literally

Really looking forward to the Reaver. Thanks to pocket money constraints I never got one the first time around. I may have to overcompensate this time