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RazorEdge wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Imperator is big and likely would easily start to hit the near £100 model bracket. So I figure we won't see one for a long while yet, AT needs a lot more of its core game out, perhaps even as far as Chaos and Xenos before GW can consider building something that big and expensive.

Head Designer was on stream saying they plan to bring new titans to life before they do xenos, and xenos before epic. So, take that as you want.

NIce, other GW/FW Staff says Epic beforce Xenos.

I'd believe the head designer over random other staff.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
So, as I have lost this thread a couple of times...are we still looking at spending $220 on two Warlords just so we can switch weapons around between the two?

Nopes
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/13/guns-for-your-god-machines/



Basically if you're using magnets (not everyone does) then buy the normal/current warlord and wait for the new weapons in the new year as a separate purchase. Or you can buy the new Warlord now if you want to build just that from the box with fixed weapons.

Good news. After decades of experience, I can sometimes easily get worried that GW fill fall back on dumb business styles. Although one would still wonder why they don't release the sprues before the set configuration boxes.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Good news. After decades of experience, I can sometimes easily get worried that GW fill fall back on dumb business styles. Although one would still wonder why they don't release the sprues before the set configuration boxes.

Their current strategy (of selling plastic toys at massive mark up, but also trying to make sure the customer base doesn't feel truly shafted before/after each and every purchase) seems to be doing very, very well for them atm, but I suppose there's always the chance that they'll slip back to Kirby-nomics at some point. As for sprues before sets - well, I can imagine some confusion there for new buyers.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Good news. After decades of experience, I can sometimes easily get worried that GW fill fall back on dumb business styles. Although one would still wonder why they don't release the sprues before the set configuration boxes.

To maximize full kit sales. More profit per new warlord box than just weapon sprue. Same reason why 2 new ork buggies are in speed freek box only for now

 Rayvon wrote:
I would have preferred more LOS blocking buildings in the GM box, If I am honest its the scenery that lets it down for me personally.

Totally agree with you. The scenery pieces look more like tank panels to me.

 Fajita Fan wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
I would have preferred more LOS blocking buildings in the GM box, If I am honest its the scenery that lets it down for me personally.

Totally agree with you. The scenery pieces look more like tank panels to me.

Look wise they are IMO good but damn it would be expensive to get decent terrain with them. Assuming one wants buildings that can block even warlord.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Good news. After decades of experience, I can sometimes easily get worried that GW fill fall back on dumb business styles. Although one would still wonder why they don't release the sprues before the set configuration boxes.

I did wonder this too, but if someone is buying their first Warlord Titan, they may prefer the "melta-claw" variant over the first volcano-cannon...without laying down £65 in addition to whatever it may cost for the weapon sprue. You never know - that weapon sprue could be £20!

Realistically though, I think they should have released both the new variant warlord and the separate weapon sprue together, and perhaps delayed the Cerastus Knights for the new year....as much as it pains me to say that being a Knight-nut!

SamusDrake wrote:
Realistically though, I think they should have released both the new variant warlord and the separate weapon sprue together, and perhaps delayed the Cerastus Knights for the new year....as much as it pains me to say that being a Knight-nut!

Should they have? That would mean less profits for GW. Guess which they prioritize...

Now they get people who want those sprues NOW buy full kit rather than just weapon sprue later. As the plastic for titan itself is essentially free any sales they make for titan with new weapon sprue over sales of just weapon sprue is more money to GW.

There's reason why GW often puts new stuff first for big boxes even if it's with discount. The extra sprues are effectively free so they get customers spend more then they would have otherwise.

Don't forget even with magnet slots made into the model, many people will still buy and build fixed post Warlords. So for them buying a new type and old type and then mix matching weapons and gluing them in fully is perfectly fine for them. They get two Warlords that they will use armed how they want and they don't need optional parts because they will never swap the arms over ever.

tneva82 wrote:

SamusDrake wrote:
Realistically though, I think they should have released both the new variant warlord and the separate weapon sprue together, and perhaps delayed the Cerastus Knights for the new year....as much as it pains me to say that being a Knight-nut!

Should they have? That would mean less profits for GW. Guess which they prioritize...

Now they get people who want those sprues NOW buy full kit rather than just weapon sprue later. As the plastic for titan itself is essentially free any sales they make for titan with new weapon sprue over sales of just weapon sprue is more money to GW.

There's reason why GW often puts new stuff first for big boxes even if it's with discount. The extra sprues are effectively free so they get customers spend more then they would have otherwise.

Yes, there is that to it.

Just had another thought; does everyone magnatize their titans? They may prefer to have a separate titan with a different configuration, rather than muck around with magnets...

Well, I can see magnetizing a Warlord, as it's the most expensive titan to lock into a set configuration, as well as being ready-made to magnetize. At this point it's just a couple more spots of superglue and a couple of magnets. It's not like you have to do major surgery on the model.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Well, I can see magnetizing a Warlord, as it's the most expensive titan to lock into a set configuration, as well as being ready-made to magnetize. At this point it's just a couple more spots of superglue and a couple of magnets. It's not like you have to do major surgery on the model.

My thoughts exactly. I even magnatize the heads!

 Rayvon wrote:
I would have preferred more LOS blocking buildings in the GM box, If I am honest its the scenery that lets it down for me personally.

It would be nice for them to add more terrain later. More mechanicus styled structures, angled roofs, ruined sections, maybe bastions and larger fortresses.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Well, I can see magnetizing a Warlord, as it's the most expensive titan to lock into a set configuration, as well as being ready-made to magnetize. At this point it's just a couple more spots of superglue and a couple of magnets. It's not like you have to do major surgery on the model.

Same with the carapace weapon on the Reaver. The holes for the magnets are already there. It's just a matter of making sure that the magnets are aligned to each other properly, and adding a couple of drops of superglue.

That does make the omission of magnets on the reaver arms quite a bit more glaring. But I'm guessing it has something to do with adopting an overly slavish attitude toward the 40K Reaver titan when designing the smaller-sized one.

While I certainly find discussions about the merits of various starter set formats and the start-up cost per game system endlessly fascinating...

Is there any news or rumor for AT18 involved?

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Well, I can see magnetizing a Warlord, as it's the most expensive titan to lock into a set configuration, as well as being ready-made to magnetize. At this point it's just a couple more spots of superglue and a couple of magnets. It's not like you have to do major surgery on the model.

It seems to add a certain amount of fragility to the minis. I sometimes wince when I see a fully magnetised model shuffling around. And there would seem to be a certain amount of paint wear and tear that comes along with moving bits on/off/around. For a painter this isn't terribly good. Having said all that, I can actually see myself magnetising for the first time in my life here, specifically the Warlords, might be fun to have different configs, even for a model that will live on a shelf in a glass case.

See here for the worrying fragility I was talking about (at the start, where they are turning bits around at all angles etc) at 2:03 (the other AM ones are the same but the red knights look pretty solid, which is how I like to build my stuff) https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p058kz6b

 cole1114 wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Imperator is big and likely would easily start to hit the near £100 model bracket. So I figure we won't see one for a long while yet, AT needs a lot more of its core game out, perhaps even as far as Chaos and Xenos before GW can consider building something that big and expensive.

Head Designer was on stream saying they plan to bring new titans to life before they do xenos, and xenos before epic. So, take that as you want.

NIce, other GW/FW Staff says Epic beforce Xenos.

I'd believe the head designer over random other staff.

Was Adam Troke....

 schoon wrote:
While I certainly find discussions about the merits of various starter set formats and the start-up cost per game system endlessly fascinating...

Is there any news or rumor for AT18 involved?

Sadly not.

I'm guessing the new Warlord and Knights are due for pre-order next Saturday, but I'm wondering when that new Reaver is up for release? He looks absolutely badass.

RazorEdge wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Imperator is big and likely would easily start to hit the near £100 model bracket. So I figure we won't see one for a long while yet, AT needs a lot more of its core game out, perhaps even as far as Chaos and Xenos before GW can consider building something that big and expensive.

Head Designer was on stream saying they plan to bring new titans to life before they do xenos, and xenos before epic. So, take that as you want.

NIce, other GW/FW Staff says Epic beforce Xenos.

Who said that? I’ve always heard Xenos being a long while away, and Epic being a maybe. Which would imply xenos first, and epic might not happen at all.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Good news. After decades of experience, I can sometimes easily get worried that GW fill fall back on dumb business styles. Although one would still wonder why they don't release the sprues before the set configuration boxes.

Because some people that would only have bought the sprues will buy additional warlords rather than wait.

This is sales 101.

 ImAGeek wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Imperator is big and likely would easily start to hit the near £100 model bracket. So I figure we won't see one for a long while yet, AT needs a lot more of its core game out, perhaps even as far as Chaos and Xenos before GW can consider building something that big and expensive.

Head Designer was on stream saying they plan to bring new titans to life before they do xenos, and xenos before epic. So, take that as you want.

NIce, other GW/FW Staff says Epic beforce Xenos.

Who said that? I’ve always heard Xenos being a long while away, and Epic being a maybe. Which would imply xenos first, and epic might not happen at all.

Epic isn't just expanding on AT, its a totally different system. Epic would require a totally unique set of rules for itself and would only "share" AT in a sense that you could use the titans, but you'd likely use far fewer of them (esp Warlords) whilst being required to build bigger armies of tanks, troops and such.

Epic is a different product and a bigger investment for GW because it would require a lot more diversity of models and sprues to work.


I fully expect the pattern for AT to be:
1) Release more Titans and Knights and ugprade packs
2) Release Chaos Warped/alternate titans using core kits with alternate armour and chaos weapons.
3) Release fully unique Chaos titans
4) XENOS - probably starting with Eldar and Orks.
5) Tyranids (might come with Genestealer cult pack for warlord/knights)
6) Tau and Necrons and other stuff


Dark Eldar might get an upgrade pack that lets them add more spikes to Eldar Titans, but otherwise are the only main faction that won't have a titan of its own.

Basically we are currently in the Chaos cycle where traitors are still using identical titans. As the AT product matures we'll see the twist of chaos become stronger and stronger.


Of course it all hinges on the sales of AT and also GW's production capacity and focus

About that; the Chaos Titans degenerated pretty quickly; there should be at least warped armour sets available alongside Titandeath, and the first fully changed Banelords showed up for the Siege of Terra.

Yep, plus I'm sure the FW team will want to keep making Imperial Titan through it all, so I'd expect to see Chaos titans and xenos long before we get near to the end of the roster of potential titans that they can throw at us (at least not before they have to invent totally new models and weapons).

Of course they could also start to flesh out titans and knights like they have done Space Marines by making more subfaction specific variations, named titans and upgrade packs.

I wonder if something like Mechanicus walkers or crawlers with slightly different movement or facing rules would be a way for them to experiment with bridging into tank rules for Epic.

The current system is robust enough to handle smaller armored divisions of tanks and what not, acting in a fashion similar to knights.
So ultimately, who knows?
Best we can do in the meantime is continue to sensibly support the game.
Speaking of, anyone know anyone who is ACTUALLY creating content for AT? There seems to be a large dearth at the moment.

Honestly what id like to see is the slow expansion of titanicus into effectively epic (but have the two systems combined into 1) my group is loving the game atm.

The game currently will benefit alot from the extra knight chasis and minor upgrades to titans for some more customisation as we often find lists sometimes have 90-120 point holes in them due to high costs per model in points and no way to spend spare points. Stuff like some extra armour plates, improved optics or joins (kind of like how the legion lists have) would help, this will also hopefully be covered later with chaos blessings for traitor legions.

Also bringing in orks and eldar Titans eventually, though I doubt we would see them expand the game to cover every 40k faction and might just stick to chaos-imperium-orks-eldar with maybe at most tyranids.

Maybe in 2-3 years once the main stuff is all out do a supplement bringing in rules for smaller stuff and start building game to work for epic.

1. Super heavy tanks
2. tank squadrons to fight the anti titan tanks
3. troops and termies to fight those

I think the one worry about epic is the sheer amount of troop types, people wont be happy unless every model gets an epic version, I can kinda see only way epic comes out is as 30k epic just so they dont have to produce as many different factions.

Neronoxx wrote:
The current system is robust enough to handle smaller armored divisions of tanks and what not, acting in a fashion similar to knights.
So ultimately, who knows?
Best we can do in the meantime is continue to sensibly support the game.
Speaking of, anyone know anyone who is ACTUALLY creating content for AT? There seems to be a large dearth at the moment.

Apologist did write rules for Ork Gargants over at the Death of the Rubricist. I'd think most people are far too busy getting their toys built and painted at this stage, so writing new missions and rules variants by community effort is a bit in the infancy as of yet. Some russian fellow here wrote a system for chaos infusions on your machines, but I don't think that has been shared yet. Personally I've been toying with the idea, but the first thing would be to write more missions as there is still quite a bit of testing and trying going on with the core system. Must play at least a few dozen games more first

New Warlord kit is up for pre-order next week, alongside the Lancers.

Not much to report but still news nonetheless. The new Warlord and Knights are due for release next week...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/11/18/coming-next-week-project-boxes-tiny-titans-and-heroes-of-middle-earth/