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The old warlord types were worked out by barrels. Those (2) next to the lascannon showed the gun had 2 barrels, so 2 shots. The total number of barrels determined what sub-class of Warlord you had, and therefore how fast it was and how many turns it could make. Nightgaunts could have a total of four barrels, any more and they'd be an Eclipse, and so on.

The Eclipse and Nightgaunt were immediately supplanted by the Reaver and Warhound titans, but at least you could have variety with the 6 warlords in the box.

2nd ed standardised all warlords (always 4 weapons) and warlord weapons, and made them properly "titanized". Before then a Warlord Lascannon was identical to a regular lascannon, meaning that a Land Raider could be better armed than a Warlord.

I have a suspicion that Guy Haley was working with early drafts of the background when writing Titan Death. Things regarding Titans other than the original four are kept vague enough that I don't think there will be any direct contradictions with future material. But a couple of things did stand out to me. The colours of the Legio Atarus are described as being "red black and gold" not the bone red and silver of the examples in the AT Warlord instruction sheet(although add in the bone and it does match the Titans on display at WHW). We also now know that a Nemesis Titan is not a distinct class, but a variant type that could potentially be applied to any class of Titan not just the Warbringer.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for more distinct Titan frames. But its possible that some of the "types" mentioned in the book could end up as varient designations instead.

New decals from the open day

Ok now I need to check the colour schemes for Solaria, Vulpa, and Krytos.

Just to be clear, those sheets are odered Krytos, Solaria, and Vulpa, starting from the upper-left and going clockwise. They are not in the order suggested by the label in the photo.

The sheets are labelled.

I wish they would make proper sheets for the factions that got a few piddly transfers on the generic sheet... I want my Astorum decals!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/05/breaking-news-new-models-new-expansions-and-exclusive-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

Scroll down. So will there be a weapon sprue for this new reaver's weapons or do I have to buy the model?

puzzledust wrote:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/05/breaking-news-new-models-new-expansions-and-exclusive-revealsgw-homepage-post-1/

Scroll down. So will there be a weapon sprue for this new reaver's weapons or do I have to buy the model?

Yes - from the November WarCom article:

the same is also true of the weapon frame from the yet-to-be-announced* Reaver Battle Titan with Melta Cannon and Chainfist

Though not strictly AT news, apparently Dan Abnett announced that he will eventually write a sequel to Titanicus.

JWBS wrote:
Ok now I need to check the colour schemes for Solaria, Vulpa, and Krytos.

Krytos

Solaria!

 schoon wrote:
Though not strictly AT news, apparently Dan Abnett announced that he will eventually write a sequel to Titanicus.

I very much look forward to receiving it as a present from my grandchildren for Christmas 2069

A bit of info from a Facebook group via Sandlemad over at B&C
http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/352885-new-year-open-day-2019-new-gsc-kill-team-titanicus/page-10

Information I learned today talking to designers at open day. Again this is just what they said and as we know schedules etc change all the time in this industry
• Titandeath (first AT supplement) will be available in a few weeks time along with the new Reaver and transfers. The weapon packs for the titans will be another couple of weeks after that..
• The Warbringer Titan will make it into AT but not for another 2+ years as they have everything mapped out for that length of time they may do xenos but only if they move timeline to 40k such as beast arises era. If so this is At least 5+ years away. They are looking at chaos titans in current window and FW are probably doing upgrade packs at some point
• Dan Abnett said he's started work on a sequel to his Titanicus book.

Certainly adds another wrinkle to the Warbringer's absence in the Titan Death novel. Possibly it was designed and sculpted during the big delay, when AT was being moved from mostly resin to mostly plastic.

A two year roadmap for releases sounds good. It will be interesting to see units that are sculpted for AT first and are not rescaled from 40k.

Oooft, that's both good and bad news. Good that they're committed to that much development, bad that they're talking about Xenos etc being 5+ years out.

I don't for a moment buy the "AT is boring/lacking variety" argument, it's one of the richest and most engaging games I've played even with "only" Imperial titans...but I'm not sure it can go for five years on just Imperials and a few resin Chaos upgrades. I mean, I'm sure they can trickle out little releases over a five year period, but that won't result in a healthy game if it's all just titans and knights and piddly wee upgrades for those. I mean, I already have a full maniple that only needs some weapon upgrades to finish. I don't imagine most people would want to collect more than two maniple's worth of engines.

I was hoping/expecting we'd see Imperial releases with Chaos addons for the first couple of years, and then they would either expand into a Space Marine-esque system with vehicles and infantry, or start doing Xenos titan & knight equivalents. I really really hope this is just them "managing expectations" rather than what they really intend.

I don’t think the Chaos side is just going to be resin upgrades though. In fact I suspect things like the Banelord will get their own plastic kits if sell-through remains sufficient.
Remember, there are traitor Titans and possessed Titans and pure Chaos Titans built from the ground up with heretical technosorcery in the warp.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I don’t think the Chaos side is just going to be resin upgrades though. In fact I suspect things like the Banelord will get their own plastic kits if sell-through remains sufficient.
Remember, there are traitor Titans and possessed Titans and pure Chaos Titans built from the ground up with heretical technosorcery in the warp.

Yes, but they're not particularly widespread until after the Heresy. You start to see "obviously" Chaotic engines around the Siege of Terra, and if they're serious about sticking with the Heresy era for several years then Chaos are either limited to upgrade kits/reboxes with new sprues, or they're going to have to retcon the background, which would be dumb.

Also, even if they did retcon the Heresy or push on into the Scouring, I still don't think they can get away with pushing *only* Imperial and Chaos for as many as five years. There are only so many new engines they can add to the existing Big Four before things start getting ludicrous, only so many upgrade kits people will accept in place of "proper" model releases. If they end up doing three versions of every plastic Titan and Knight and then multiple versions of each for Chaos they could absolutely fill up 20 release slots, but I don't know that enough people would still be buying them after two or three years to justify carrying on.

I'd say they need to mix things up, or at least indicate they intend to start mixing things up soon after, by close of play 2020. Whether that's vehicles & infantry or Xenos factions doesn't matter so much as there being something more on the horizon - personally I'd happily play Red vs Blue Heresy games forever, but I doubt I'm typical, and even if I am that's not great news for them because I have no intention of continuing to buy multiple Titans every year.

You’re also forgetting all of the ‘lost’ ‘rare’ and ‘little-used’ imperial Titan classes they can introduce and chaosify, or dechaosify in the case of the slaaneshi scout Titans…

Though I agree with you regarding mixing things up earlier rather than later.

So not much until Feb then...

Okay.

Adding in some of the non walker super heavy's could be an option. Old Epic had plenty of Imperial units that were on par with Knights or the smaller Titans. And Necromunda already broke the Squat clock

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I don’t think the Chaos side is just going to be resin upgrades though. In fact I suspect things like the Banelord will get their own plastic kits if sell-through remains sufficient.
Remember, there are traitor Titans and possessed Titans and pure Chaos Titans built from the ground up with heretical technosorcery in the warp.

Yes, but they're not particularly widespread until after the Heresy. You start to see "obviously" Chaotic engines around the Siege of Terra, and if they're serious about sticking with the Heresy era for several years then Chaos are either limited to upgrade kits/reboxes with new sprues, or they're going to have to retcon the background, which would be dumb.

Also, even if they did retcon the Heresy or push on into the Scouring, I still don't think they can get away with pushing *only* Imperial and Chaos for as many as five years. There are only so many new engines they can add to the existing Big Four before things start getting ludicrous, only so many upgrade kits people will accept in place of "proper" model releases. If they end up doing three versions of every plastic Titan and Knight and then multiple versions of each for Chaos they could absolutely fill up 20 release slots, but I don't know that enough people would still be buying them after two or three years to justify carrying on.

I'd say they need to mix things up, or at least indicate they intend to start mixing things up soon after, by close of play 2020. Whether that's vehicles & infantry or Xenos factions doesn't matter so much as there being something more on the horizon - personally I'd happily play Red vs Blue Heresy games forever, but I doubt I'm typical, and even if I am that's not great news for them because I have no intention of continuing to buy multiple Titans every year.

Umm siege of terra is horus heresy so as there were chaos stuff they can bring them just fine. Even banelord was around as per titandeath


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SamusDrake wrote:
So not much until Feb then...

Okay.

26.1 comes something by lates'

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Adding in some of the non walker super heavy's could be an option. Old Epic had plenty of Imperial units that were on par with Knights or the smaller Titans. And Necromunda already broke the Squat clock

Don't tease. I really want to fire up the Cyclops, burn through shields and watch the nuclear fire

Though, Ordinatus Majoris would be a nice addition...

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I don’t think the Chaos side is just going to be resin upgrades though. In fact I suspect things like the Banelord will get their own plastic kits if sell-through remains sufficient.
Remember, there are traitor Titans and possessed Titans and pure Chaos Titans built from the ground up with heretical technosorcery in the warp.

Yes, but they're not particularly widespread until after the Heresy. You start to see "obviously" Chaotic engines around the Siege of Terra, and if they're serious about sticking with the Heresy era for several years then Chaos are either limited to upgrade kits/reboxes with new sprues, or they're going to have to retcon the background, which would be dumb.

Also, even if they did retcon the Heresy or push on into the Scouring, I still don't think they can get away with pushing *only* Imperial and Chaos for as many as five years. There are only so many new engines they can add to the existing Big Four before things start getting ludicrous, only so many upgrade kits people will accept in place of "proper" model releases. If they end up doing three versions of every plastic Titan and Knight and then multiple versions of each for Chaos they could absolutely fill up 20 release slots, but I don't know that enough people would still be buying them after two or three years to justify carrying on.

I'd say they need to mix things up, or at least indicate they intend to start mixing things up soon after, by close of play 2020. Whether that's vehicles & infantry or Xenos factions doesn't matter so much as there being something more on the horizon - personally I'd happily play Red vs Blue Heresy games forever, but I doubt I'm typical, and even if I am that's not great news for them because I have no intention of continuing to buy multiple Titans every year.

Umm siege of terra is horus heresy so as there were chaos stuff they can bring them just fine. Even banelord was around as per titandeath

Right, yes, it's in the Horus Heresy. At, literally, the very very end. So unless they're planning to base everything going forward on the last ~12 months of the entire Heresy, it's still not a great way to introduce Chaos as a complete faction.

 zedmeister wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Adding in some of the non walker super heavy's could be an option. Old Epic had plenty of Imperial units that were on par with Knights or the smaller Titans. And Necromunda already broke the Squat clock

Don't tease. I really want to fire up the Cyclops, burn through shields and watch the nuclear fire

Though, Ordinatus Majoris would be a nice addition...

Oh yeah, in the style of the new Ordinatus Minoris they would look great.
Since it’s the Heresy though, only Ordinatus Mars, of the named big three, would actually exist and then only just barely. Like, the paint is still wet.
Would be interesting to see some ‘new’ ones…

 Yodhrin wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
I don’t think the Chaos side is just going to be resin upgrades though. In fact I suspect things like the Banelord will get their own plastic kits if sell-through remains sufficient.
Remember, there are traitor Titans and possessed Titans and pure Chaos Titans built from the ground up with heretical technosorcery in the warp.

Yes, but they're not particularly widespread until after the Heresy. You start to see "obviously" Chaotic engines around the Siege of Terra, and if they're serious about sticking with the Heresy era for several years then Chaos are either limited to upgrade kits/reboxes with new sprues, or they're going to have to retcon the background, which would be dumb.

Also, even if they did retcon the Heresy or push on into the Scouring, I still don't think they can get away with pushing *only* Imperial and Chaos for as many as five years. There are only so many new engines they can add to the existing Big Four before things start getting ludicrous, only so many upgrade kits people will accept in place of "proper" model releases. If they end up doing three versions of every plastic Titan and Knight and then multiple versions of each for Chaos they could absolutely fill up 20 release slots, but I don't know that enough people would still be buying them after two or three years to justify carrying on.

I'd say they need to mix things up, or at least indicate they intend to start mixing things up soon after, by close of play 2020. Whether that's vehicles & infantry or Xenos factions doesn't matter so much as there being something more on the horizon - personally I'd happily play Red vs Blue Heresy games forever, but I doubt I'm typical, and even if I am that's not great news for them because I have no intention of continuing to buy multiple Titans every year.

Umm siege of terra is horus heresy so as there were chaos stuff they can bring them just fine. Even banelord was around as per titandeath

Right, yes, it's in the Horus Heresy. At, literally, the very very end. So unless they're planning to base everything going forward on the last ~12 months of the entire Heresy, it's still not a great way to introduce Chaos as a complete faction.

So? Because it was at the end they can't provide players option to play games on what is bound to be one of the most popular battles to place hh games on? Silly idea. Having supplement called siege of terra doesn't lock their releases elsewhere at all.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Adding in some of the non walker super heavy's could be an option. Old Epic had plenty of Imperial units that were on par with Knights or the smaller Titans. And Necromunda already broke the Squat clock

Don't tease. I really want to fire up the Cyclops, burn through shields and watch the nuclear fire

Though, Ordinatus Majoris would be a nice addition...

Oh yeah, in the style of the new Ordinatus Minoris they would look great.
Since it’s the Heresy though, only Ordinatus Mars, of the named big three, would actually exist and then only just barely. Like, the paint is still wet.
Would be interesting to see some ‘new’ ones…

There was also the tunnelling Ordinatus - mentioned, but no rules or model - and scope to invent more. The three we saw in 2nd edition Epic were never the only big Ordinatus machines

Also, I expect the "Horus Heresy" setting to expand slightly to include the Scouring.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Adding in some of the non walker super heavy's could be an option. Old Epic had plenty of Imperial units that were on par with Knights or the smaller Titans. And Necromunda already broke the Squat clock

Don't tease. I really want to fire up the Cyclops, burn through shields and watch the nuclear fire

Though, Ordinatus Majoris would be a nice addition...

Oh yeah, in the style of the new Ordinatus Minoris they would look great.
Since it’s the Heresy though, only Ordinatus Mars, of the named big three, would actually exist and then only just barely. Like, the paint is still wet.
Would be interesting to see some ‘new’ ones…

There was also the tunnelling Ordinatus - mentioned, but no rules or model - and scope to invent more. The three we saw in 2nd edition Epic were never the only big Ordinatus machines

Also, I expect the "Horus Heresy" setting to expand slightly to include the Scouring.

Oh yeah, that’s all given; I honestly just don’t want them to ‘forget’ and accidentally drop Ordinatus Golgotha on the Beast, or even Ullannor…
And yeah, Ordinatus Priam would be a good one… if the game included infantry. Or regular tanks.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Oh yeah, that’s all given; I honestly just don’t want them to ‘forget’ and accidentally drop Ordinatus Golgotha on the Beast, or even Ullannor…

That's unlikely, given the team behind it.

The sprue design is phenomenal; it would be simply a matter of making a new "weapon" sprue for a Warlord to give it the variant bits for a Banelord. Repeat for a generic "chaos" upgrade sprue with old metal-upgrades style chaos heads, whip, combat head, etc, and even little spikes and stuff.

I would think that we'll see Titan-scale things like Ordinatus and Capitol Imperialis (and trains) enter the game at some point.

...after all, the Mechanicum is part of the HH.