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I'm really not sure what to think of the Warmaster Titan. Something about it just feels strange compared to that old sketch of it.

Am I mis-interpreting it or are those side missile launchers/lasers mounted on/within the shoulder joint? That seems like a very silly design choice.

The joints are below the launchers.

Imperator 55m, warlord 33. So imperator should be about 66% bigger than warlord. 40k knights haven't been right size ever

There's been extensive discussion in this thread. Castellan + fortifications on the back has been accepted as a decent size up until now.

So far not really anything Dead in The Dead And Divine.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
So far not really anything Dead in The Dead And Divine.

1. This is the AT thread; there’s a separate one for the preview as a whole.
2. Vampires and Necrons don’t count?

Two screenshots of the vid with other titans and knights. It is massive!

Truly a beautiful behemoth. I was iffy on the Nemesis Warbringer when it first came out and it grew on me - this thing is just a really fresh design straight out of the gate. I dunno, I'm in love. Question is how many is the least unreasonable number for me to purchase...

And thank god it's in plastic, because after building Forge world titanicus knights and aeronautica planes, I would probably quit this hobby.

Not really feeling it, it feels bigger for bigger sake not like any one aspect of the design requires it to be bigger than a warlord. The one head choice rivals the warbringer for worst titan head, its just too close to medieval heavy infantry head, like too on the nose. It feels too much like this:

I so hope they do a 40k scale version as I think there could be some really nice details tucked away in that body, so much stuff going on! Though admittedly, the price is likely to be horrific, could imagine it easily hitting the £2k mark!


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 Crablezworth wrote:
Not really feeling it, it feels bigger for bigger sake not like any one aspect of the design requires it to be bigger than a warlord. The one head choice rivals the warbringer for worst titan head, its just too close to medieval heavy infantry head, like too on the nose.

I like that head option, assuming you mean the one in the photo collage, not so keen on the main one shown (though would use it for variety), really don't like the look of the one the book cover, but maybe it would look better in a different picture.

Just looking again at the point defence weapons in the chest, just assumed they were lascannons, but looking closely, they actually appear to be battlecannons!

I'm entirely satisfied with the Warmaster. Not as elegant or magnificent as the Warlord, less sleek than some of the smaller titans, more hunched and ogrish and brutal looking than anything we have currently. Nice contrast, pretty good addition to the line overall. I expect the Emperator to look a lot more regal and fabulous, which would be great too imo.

I hope to god some weaponry is abstracted and we don't have to resolve 14 guns a turn.

Paired gun are counted as 1 weapon and there're no rule for anti air guns.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope to god some weaponry is abstracted and we don't have to resolve 14 guns a turn.

I expect the arm, spine and armpit weapons to have weapon cards, with the rest counting toward its point defense profile.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I hope to god some weaponry is abstracted and we don't have to resolve 14 guns a turn.

Yeah that was a thought I had too, but it leads me to my main thought which is, why does it not visually justify itself? Like till now we haven't seen mismatching weaponry so just seems weird to see like missiles in one leg and a gun in the other. It's got twice the aa guns of the warbringer, but those already do nothing special on the warbringer and just get rolled into ardax.

Also not satisfied with the name, warmaster just doesn't work for me, it's also going to sound weird adjacent to any reference to horus.

Twice? It had the same amount of Hydra flak cannon as Warbringer, and those have no rule in AT, gun can only point upward, there're nothing there to shoot.

Warmaster as a name actually fits for me. We have the scout Warhound, the medium Warbringer, the classic Warlord, now the massive Warmaster, and then the Emperor class Warmonger.

Interesting, it does seem to be exactly the size of an imperator without a top castle. I hope this doesn’t lead to them oversizing the Imperator later.

One though is we don't know the power requirements to fire its main guns; firing both on a turn might mean it can't then use some/many of its support weapons in that same turn due to the power drain. So it might be that its got a fearsome amount of firepower, but has to make key choices in what its firing when.

Oh yeah thats the good stuff
New Titan types have been one of the things I've been looking forward to the most ever since the AT reboot was announced, and the Warmaster does not disappoint. Looks like alternate armpit/shoulder guns on the cover of the new book(reminiscent of the old metal Warlords carapace guns). But still the same arm guns, so I guess that's all the options the kit comes with.
Speaking of the book. I guess there will be some new Legio's in there, or are we up to 16 loyalists already? The cover colour scheme is not one I recognise.

I forgot the physical constraints of AT dashboards. Yea probably a lot of those guns won't have individual profiles and dice rolls. Gameplay is saved!

If the firepower can't match the size and the cost there will be no gameplay. It'll become table decoration unit.

Inserting new titans is a little confusing from a lore perspective though, purely in the sense that we do know variants have been hovering around in the vague conceptual aether for a long time, but what I want to know is some hard info on comparative rarity.

Have we been largely only seeing four Titan types all these years because the warbringer and warmonger are far, far rarer, or are we just to shut up and accept a retcon that these were just off screen in hundreds of sources talking about titans in action?

changemod wrote:
Inserting new titans is a little confusing from a lore perspective though, purely in the sense that we do know variants have been hovering around in the vague conceptual aether for a long time, but what I want to know is some hard info on comparative rarity.

Have we been largely only seeing four Titan types all these years because the warbringer and warmonger are far, far rarer, or are we just to shut up and accept a retcon that these were just off screen in hundreds of sources talking about titans in action?

GW has been retconning in new units that have always been there for like 15 years man

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I forgot the physical constraints of AT dashboards. Yea probably a lot of those guns won't have individual profiles and dice rolls. Gameplay is saved!

Not to mention it might have a bigger command sheet than normal. but presumably the little guns are "ardex Defensor" types or similar. This thing presumably moves like a brick, so it will need them...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

changemod wrote:
Inserting new titans is a little confusing from a lore perspective though, purely in the sense that we do know variants have been hovering around in the vague conceptual aether for a long time, but what I want to know is some hard info on comparative rarity.

Have we been largely only seeing four Titan types all these years because the warbringer and warmonger are far, far rarer, or are we just to shut up and accept a retcon that these were just off screen in hundreds of sources talking about titans in action?

GW has been retconning in new units that have always been there for like 15 years man

It’s infinitely more noticeable when you retcon in a vast giant mech than when you retcon in “these space marines have gravity guns!”.

I’m loving how ponderous this looks, and I hope it follows through to the rules.

Can’t wait to get my hands on these monsters!

 Overread wrote:
One though is we don't know the power requirements to fire its main guns; firing both on a turn might mean it can't then use some/many of its support weapons in that same turn due to the power drain. So it might be that its got a fearsome amount of firepower, but has to make key choices in what its firing when.

That would actually mirror the rules of the Plasma Destructors from Epic 2nd edition. If you shot off the plasma destructor, you couldn’t move or shoot any other weapon. It was a devastating weapon though


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Also, not noted is the new book looks to have new legios in it due to the fact it has Legio Metallica on the front:

Absolutely love the Warmaster, shame about the name though as we already have Warhound, Warlord and Warbringer, wouldn't kill GW to think of something a bit more original.

As for the model however, love it. I agree that it may be better to just simplify the additional weapons into an Ardex-like system. I still doubt they'll eventually release an Imperator however.

On another note, the Warmaster's head on the Loyalist Legios book seems to be different from either of the ones previewed today. I know the previous kits have come with two head designs but not three, are GW giving a hint that there may be different variants of the Warmaster in the future?

It has different armpit-guns too; looks like Warhound turbolasers to me. One of the silhouettes in the video also had different main guns, some sort of triple-barrelled monstrosity.
So definitely another variant out there…

Yeah the Loyalist Legios Warmaster head looks amazing to me.

This stupid titan might be the thing that finally gets me into titanicus. I’m happy but my wallet is crying out in despair.