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Back in Epic: 40k, both the Plasma Annihilator and the Hellstorm cannon had three times the firepower (one counted as 3 Energy weapons and the other as 3 megacannons) of the equivalent Warlord guns. It also ported 3 heavy weapon batteries, each with a Firepower of 10 (For reference, a Leman Russ had Firepower 3 and the same range).

Really I just want to know number of Titan class gun mounts and which titans arms each slot is equivalent to.

The 6th ed 40K Apocalypse version of the Imperator interpreted the castle guns as six slots up to Reaver Arm class, except melee weapons. Mix’n’match as you please.

I’d say in AT terms, four Warlord Carapace guns (two pairs) and one Warbringer carapace gun, plus one Reaver volcano cannon in an AA mount.

Oh, and the most important weapon of all; the Sensorium Dome which housed a planetary siege scale battlefield CnC room with direct feeds from every Imperial resource in system. Aka free targeted shots and pre-measured ranging.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
The 6th ed 40K Apocalypse version of the Imperator interpreted the castle guns as six slots up to Reaver Arm class, except melee weapons. Mix’n’match as you please.

I’d say in AT terms, four Warlord Carapace guns (two pairs) and one Warbringer carapace gun, plus one Reaver volcano cannon in an AA mount.

Oh, and the most important weapon of all; the Sensorium Dome which housed a planetary siege scale battlefield CnC room with direct feeds from every Imperial resource in system. Aka free targeted shots and pre-measured ranging.

Six Reaver arms seems a bit much, but certainly on this Lucius variant four warhound arms along with the quake and volcano cannons manages to avoid looking cluttered?

Of course, Lucius variants don’t have the cathedral look, and just look like the hull of a battleship or something, and I’m reasonably sure this is a custom model. Regardless, I can remotely imagine the Imperator design seen in recent heresy artwork managing to hold six reaver arms without it looking really bad.

It is a custom model. Warmaster Nice of the tactical command forum built it out of a ton of plasticard and old rhinos in the early 2000s!

Yeah, there has only ever been one official model of the Imperator (the original plastic one from Epic: Titan Legions), plus one later mod kit to turn it into the Warmonger variant.
This is the “classic” cathedral look with all the architecture all over it.

If you see anything that looks different it’s either a conversion or a full scratch-build.

This is the only GW-made Imperator:



This is the only GW-made Warmonger:



The Warmonger is made by using the plastic Imperator kit with these metal bits:

 Breotan wrote:
This is the only GW-made Imperator:

This one is slightly converted. Quite a few pieces were added, like the top banner, winged skulls, purity scrolls, hanging censers/purity rolls, laurels, halo, chainsword, crotch banner, small shields at the hips.

It is exquisitely done.

Definitely one of my favorite models of all time.

Mendi Warrior wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
This is the only GW-made Imperator:

This one is slightly converted. Quite a few pieces were added, like the top banner, winged skulls, purity scrolls, hanging censers/purity rolls, laurels, halo, chainsword, crotch banner, small shields at the hips.

It is exquisitely done.

Definitely one of my favorite models of all time.

Can’t say I like the banner, it obscures detail of the castle and I’d recognise a marine back banner piece from 500 miles away.

 Breotan wrote:


This is the only GW-made Warmonger:



The Warmonger is made by using the plastic Imperator kit with these metal bits:

The bits don't match. I remember the first picture, the second pic isn't those components (multiple differences there, not just the Vengeance cannon). Maybe there were two?
/edit - actually, if one is kitbashed, it would probably be the first one (those big tubes on the main gun have to be plastic bits, they can't be done in metal and GW used barely any resin back then, even for stuff that wasn't from the main studio).

I think the Warmonger had so few kits sold its not surprising that the only one we can find photos of is a conversion.


Have to say if GW did an Imperator I would have to buy it - that titan alone and the cover art to the old Titan Legions boxed set is what sold me and got me started in wargames years and years ago. I'd love to see a new Imperator with all that GW has learned and improved on with plastic - especially as I sold my Imperators on to others to clear the desk. No regrets at all, but I would like to own an official one again for the new game

Hm. I thought I had the correct Warmonger picture. Nearly every image I can find on Google or Bing show models with at least some conversion going on. :(

Still, the metal bits are accurate.

Edit: Found one. Ignore the few Dark Angles icon bits and it's essentially good.

changemod wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:

changemod wrote:

 zedmeister wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
Are you sure? I don't remember this and the old metal Warhound didn't have it as an option.

They were allowed and were a weapon option during 1st and 2nd edition:

http://solegends.com/citcat1991a/cat1991ap121epicwarhoundtitans-01.jpg

Good that helps confirm something:

Warhounds have 2 class 1 weapon mounts.
Reavers have 2 class 2 and one class 1 weapon mount.
Warbringers have 2 class 2, 1 class 3
Warlords have 2 class 3, 2 class 2 (can mount class 1 on this slot, though largely a questionable choice)
Warmasters have 2 (3?) class 4, 2 class 1, and whatever the hell that missile launcher is if it isn’t a class 4.
And finally imperators at a glance would appear to have 2 class 4, then a lot of smaller guns in their cathedral, possibly a class 1 or 2 in the central spire?

In Epic Titan Legions the Imperator had the Hellstorm Cannon, the Plasma Annihilator (a step up from the Plasma Destructor, itself nastier than the Plasma Cannon, and the Plasma Blastgun for Reavers and Warhounds), a Defense Laser (read: Volcano Cannon), and a Main Battery (read: Quake Cannon). Then the four Gun Towers, the eight secondary weapons (lascannons, etc) and 16 dice for Bolters.

Well, the lascannons and bolters are irrelevant unless they receive special rules treatment for being so densely clustered.

I’m finding your post a little hard to pick apart, what kind of weaponry are you saying is mounted in the gun towers? Sounds roughly like you’re saying it has two fixed loadout Reaver arm slots in amongst the castle guns.

Edit: Ok looking at the old model, it definitely has much more gun to it than modern imperator artwork for some reason. The modern artwork of imperators has no huge gun emplacements built into the top fortress.

https://www.moddb.com/groups/warhammer-40k-fans-group/images/imperator-titan-detailed

The stats for the Imperator's weapons are there.

The gun towers are basically Leman Russ cannons. The Main Battery is not quite a Quake Cannon in terms of armor save modifier (-3 instead of -4) but it is a barrage weapon. The autocannons were not insignificant because that was still enough in Epic to do things like knock down shields. The number of shots and the power of each shot from the Plasma Annihilator depended on how many plasma tokens were allocated to it. One token was needed per green shot, and 2 per red shot. The Hellstorm Cannon could fire 4 shots per turn but had 12 ammo, so only had enough for 3 turns of firing. The Defence Laser was basically a Volcano Cannon with AA capability.

The Imperator had variable plasma output. I think it was 2d6 plasma per turn though unused plasma could be saved up for another turn.

Lascannon (the most powerful common infantry weapon and Imperium weapon technology) and Autocannon aren't "irrelevant" in AT lol. have any of you actually play the current game? Lascannon : S6, autocannon : S4. The infantry version of the meltagun : S8!!!!

Also modern Titan garrison would be Skitarii troop with a powerful sniper rifle like the arquebus or mounted turrets like cognis lascannon, or something even better : Vindicare assassin.

Chopstick wrote:
Lascannon (the most powerful common infantry weapon and Imperium weapon technology) and Autocannon aren't "irrelevant" in AT lol. have any of you actually play the current game? Lascannon : S6, autocannon : S4. The infantry version of the meltagun : S8!!!!

Also modern Titan garrison would be Skitarii troop with a powerful sniper rifle like the arquebus or mounted turrets like cognis lascannon, or something even better : Vindicare assassin.

There does seem to be a slight disconnect in the rules for smaller weapons, some of the small knight weapons have individual profiles, whereas some equivalent size (or larger) weapons on Titans just get rolled into the defensor array (or seemingly ignored completely). i.e. the Warmaster has a pair of battlecannons (presumably basically equivalent to a Knights single rapid-fire battlecannon) , knee las-cannon, whatever the thing is on the other knee and at least one more Mauler boltgun (and I suspect some las-cannons round the back like the Warlord) but its defensor array is no stronger than that of the Warbringer, which only has 3 Mauler boltguns.

Tavis75 wrote:


There does seem to be a slight disconnect in the rules for smaller weapons, some of the small knight weapons have individual profiles, whereas some equivalent size (or larger) weapons on Titans just get rolled into the defensor array (or seemingly ignored completely). i.e. the Warmaster has a pair of battlecannons (presumably basically equivalent to a Knights single rapid-fire battlecannon) , knee las-cannon, whatever the thing is on the other knee and at least one more Mauler boltgun (and I suspect some las-cannons round the back like the Warlord) but its defensor array is no stronger than that of the Warbringer, which only has 3 Mauler boltguns.

People and rule writer got all gunsphobic when it come to Titans, for some reason. "Me tITAns mE onLy caRe abOut teH BIG GUNZ!!! small gunz too many me can't handle"

Back in the original Adeptus Titanicus Titans main guns were stuff like Autocannons and Lascannons.

Also, Quake Cannons were -3ASM, not -4ASM (which was Volcano Cannons).

Does anyone wish GW would have roadmaps for AT and AI, like they do for Underworlds and Necromunda?

Would be nice to have a rough idea when releases are coming in 2021. But AT isn't really driven by factions or seasons, so I'm not sure how useful it'd be to share upcoming book titles if there was no indication of what's in the books or what models will accompany them.

If they want a happy customer base, getting caught up with transfers (and re-releasing older sets) would be the best bang for the buck move they could make. IMO.

Yeah, I suppose you're right.

But we do have a roadmap just as far ahead as those other games. The Warmaster is it

That bloody thing! We ask for a small scout titan and they deliver Horus' Moving Fortress.

SamusDrake wrote:
That bloody thing! We ask for a small scout titan and they deliver Horus' Moving Fortress.

And he’s glorious! Don’t worry, the rapier will arrive st some point

SamusDrake wrote:
Does anyone wish GW would have roadmaps for AT and AI, like they do for Underworlds and Necromunda?

I wouldn't mind roadmaps for all of their specialist games. I've actually emailed FW and mentioned that a roadmap, even a very vague one, would be much welcome for Horus Heresy.

 zedmeister wrote:


And he’s glorious! Don’t worry, the rapier will arrive st some point

Knowing our luck its the Imperator next!


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 Mr. Grey wrote:


I wouldn't mind roadmaps for all of their specialist games. I've actually emailed FW and mentioned that a roadmap, even a very vague one, would be much welcome for Horus Heresy.

Well done! All tough nuts crack in the end...

Garro shared on FB some "Minor spoiler from Mortis, relating to Adeptus Titanicus. First sighting of Warmaster titans."



(Let me know if you can't see the images and I'll copy them over)

Hmm ok, seems cool, I'll take it (though I have to wonder why are my Loyalists naming their greatest weapon thus far in honour of a traitor?).

JWBS wrote:
Hmm ok, seems cool, I'll take it (though I have to wonder why are my Loyalists naming their greatest weapon thus far in honour of a traitor?).

Mars sided with Horus, didn't it?

Probably set Read-Only on the files so they can't be renamed.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Mars sided with Horus, didn't it?

Yes, with the Loyalist basing themselves on Terra.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Probably set Read-Only on the files so they can't be renamed.

It might be the Loyalists call them something different, or they were named (but not widely used) before the HH.