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 ph34r wrote:
I strongly suspect GW plans to make a plastic Imperator class titan eventually and would not abandon the game before that happens, even if they are having annoying patches of little to no releases.

A plastic imperator would be what, almost forgeworld warhound size?

They could easily go back and remake all the models in Lucius pattern also and get some sales. They have room to play around, but they don’t have the time in production to slot in more models, especially with 30k starting up.

 cole1114 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I strongly suspect GW plans to make a plastic Imperator class titan eventually and would not abandon the game before that happens, even if they are having annoying patches of little to no releases.

A plastic imperator would be what, almost forgeworld warhound size?

It would be around twice the height of the Warlord

 cole1114 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I strongly suspect GW plans to make a plastic Imperator class titan eventually and would not abandon the game before that happens, even if they are having annoying patches of little to no releases.

A plastic imperator would be what, almost forgeworld warhound size?

It's hard to say because the old Epic was all over the place in terms of scale, thanks to practical limitations on model production at the time. I don't think any modern lore has confirmed the precise height of Imperators like it has for all the existing models.

There has been some modern artwork with Imperator titans, but these have an odd perspective making it hard to compare with other titans (see spoiler tags)

A Warmaster with a bunch of towers on top is probably fairly close, but there's nothing to stop GW going bigger than that.

Unpopular opinion: I hate how every rendition of an Imperator looks like the top of a normal titan was sheared off wholesale in a straight cut, then a level floor put on top of that and a castle on top of that. I'd want the battlements rising out of something that still looks like a titan carapace and not have the model bisected by a perfectly flat plane.

well, given that some parts of the fluff talk about an airfield or landing pads on top, there is a need for a perfectly flat plane on the top

It's basically supposed to be a walking cathedral castle. The whole flat top with low walls, small turrets on the edges, towering spires and turrets in the middle and such plays into that theme and idea

Something that's been on my hobby wishlist for a while is to make a Kill Team board based on the top deck of an Imperator. Attacking troops fight Tech Guard Skitarii and try to damage titan, just like the old Titan Legions rules.

It would be even better if there's an proper Imperator model to run an AT game in parallel, and attackers as achieve objectives the titan suffers damage effects.

An Imperator might ended up being cheaper than a knight lance.

Most real castles are built into hilltops without shaving off the hilltop tho, they have courtyards with varying elevation levels, bottoms of walls conforming to the contour of the landscape and so on.

The one hopeful thought is that Titanicus is the only game that would be able to include an Imperator Titan model.

I have zero interest in purchasing such a model, but if 40K has the Warlord then Titanicus should definitely have the Imperator.

 Theophony wrote:
They could easily go back and remake all the models in Lucius pattern also and get some sales. They have room to play around, but they don’t have the time in production to slot in more models, especially with 30k starting up.

I'm surprised they didn't do this sort of thing in the first place. The ability to customize your titans with different decorations and armour pieces seems like something that would do well.

I'd prefer they use the budget for weapons rather than "titan skins"

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
They could easily go back and remake all the models in Lucius pattern also and get some sales. They have room to play around, but they don’t have the time in production to slot in more models, especially with 30k starting up.

I'm surprised they didn't do this sort of thing in the first place. The ability to customize your titans with different decorations and armour pieces seems like something that would do well.

Lots of that is available to 3D print. Most people who customize their Titans either enjoy scratch building, print it themselves or order the 3D prints.

Having official Lucius models with rules will sell to those who want a bit of a different look. Still plenty of people who would buy official models instead of 3D prints.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
They could easily go back and remake all the models in Lucius pattern also and get some sales. They have room to play around, but they don’t have the time in production to slot in more models, especially with 30k starting up.

I'm surprised they didn't do this sort of thing in the first place. The ability to customize your titans with different decorations and armour pieces seems like something that would do well.

Agreed but bit late, battlebling already eating their lunch there.


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Chopstick wrote:
I'd prefer they use the budget for weapons rather than "titan skins"

Weapons would be more useful, but I think we've been sorta lucky too that we haven't been drowned in weapon releases, or worse yet, they go the route of like 0-1 special/relic weapons. The game definitely needs more weapons to round out the titan classes, but we saw with volkite, 2 or 3 felt like the person writing the rules doesn't play, 2 or 3 are objectively worse that vbr's for twice the price. Plasma on warhounds could stand to get more expensive.




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 Theophony wrote:

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
They could easily go back and remake all the models in Lucius pattern also and get some sales. They have room to play around, but they don’t have the time in production to slot in more models, especially with 30k starting up.

I'm surprised they didn't do this sort of thing in the first place. The ability to customize your titans with different decorations and armour pieces seems like something that would do well.

Lots of that is available to 3D print. Most people who customize their Titans either enjoy scratch building, print it themselves or order the 3D prints.

Having official Lucius models with rules will sell to those who want a bit of a different look. Still plenty of people who would buy official models instead of 3D prints.

The trick/problem is gw isn't too good at making slight variation in unit stats. Like if we were to do it, the difference between a lucius and mars pattern from a stat/terminal perspective would likely be minimal, probbably only differences being prehaps high armour on the body/legs/head but a slower movement stat than normal and likely different base point cost. The problem is gw designers and design probably would work that way and the fear is they'd try something stilly like use the lucius pattern titans to introduce weapons locked into them or something. After the desing ethos of modularity took a jump off a cliff with the iconoclast/dire wolf I'm just not sure they'd have it in them to pull of lucius stuff without bungling it.

The problem with adding more weapons for the Imperial force is that, again, the more you bulk up their armoury the harder it becomes to then add an entirely new faction into the game. Which is why I keep hoping they start adding new factions sooner. That's where they budget should be going.

Spread the game wider, open it up to chaos corrupted titans and xenos.

The sooner they jump on that the sooner they can expand the games potential playerbase and interest because it moves away from mirror-match styles. It also means that they can keep expanding the Imperial side, just alongside other releases.



I do wonder if part of the issue is that the budget they've got for the game just isn't enough to justify two or more titans/models at once easily. So they "Can't" add chaos or xenos without making every release chaos/xenos and no more Imperial

 Crablezworth wrote:

Agreed but bit late, battlebling already eating their lunch there.

Spicy take time, but I think Battle Bling have a lot of missed potential right now. Some of their earlier stuff is really cool, and I have bought several items. However they've gradually crept away from making original items into mimicking existing GW designs that don't even sell at any significant discount.



For example you can buy near-identical copies of Reaver gatling, melta, and volcano cannons for £8.50 each while GW sell a sprue containing the same 3-4 weapons for £16. Many of the Warlord arm options copied from FW don't include the shoulder mount, so if you want to magnetise and swap weapons you need an extra part bringing it on par with FW's price.

It costs £55 to buy a full set of components from them to convert an existing Warmaster body into an Iconoclast, when the full retail kit can be bought for £20 more.

What I'd love to see more of from Battle Bling are the cool visually distinct concepts like their classic warhound bodies, possessed titan heads, or scourge / flail weapon arms that first got me to buy from them. They could make a fortune from Lucius style or corrupted titan armour panels that GW don't make.

 Overread wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
I strongly suspect GW plans to make a plastic Imperator class titan eventually and would not abandon the game before that happens, even if they are having annoying patches of little to no releases.

A plastic imperator would be what, almost forgeworld warhound size?

Mark Bedford once said at WarhammerFest that he expected it would be the size of the 40k Reaver, were they to make the Imperator
It would be around twice the height of the Warlord

I inks they are doing a fine job at walking the thin line. The models don’t need to be unique, they need to visually be different enough to make people buy them so they are different to everyone else’s models yet still close enough so nobody cries foul at a tournament.

I think they are holding off on a lot of the corrupted items until they see where the rules are leading. The slow pace of releases doesn’t help. I think they like many other 3D companies would flourish if EPIC would release and be a consistent scale.

Now live and surprisingly at a not bad £35 each

I’m annoyed at how I’ve been conditioned to see that price and think ‘huh, that’s not bad’.

A new titan is great to see, but it doesn't fit my normal play style. I'd like to see if modelers can do something with the pose to make it less static.

Shocked that this isn't priced above the £44 Asterius knight. It's tempting at about the same price as a reaver.

Going to hold off for now and wait to see:
1) How the legs are assembled and if it can be built with a more interesting pose
2) What the actual rules are, and if it can be put into squadrons etc

I’m still iffy on the model.

I kind of like and loathe that it looks like an experiment. Something not yet fully developed into a standardised pattern.

Pretty sure having a nippy heavy weapon will be of use in the game though.

Yeah I’d like to see the parts breakdown. I think my main dislike is the pose, and if the legs are more posable than they look, I might get one.

I actually like most of it except the ridges on the carapace but mostly I can’t stand the feet (the pose is boring as, too) because they look less stable than the basic ones.

3 tiny armigers have the same price as a 41 pieces Warhound, wow.

£35?

Can somebody please tell me what FW's logic is to pricing their models?

Well that's actually a decent price for FW and neutron laser is a good weapon.

SamusDrake wrote:
£35?

Can somebody please tell me what FW's logic is to pricing their models?

They want to avoid having tons of overstock like with the Iconoclast? :p