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 Vermis wrote:
a? As said, I liked the look with the last squared warlord - the first I'd seen, and frankly looking a lot better than the ol' fisher-price beetlebacks.

This monstrosity?


Its hideous.....The first metal Warlord was much better.

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 Vermis wrote:
a? As said, I liked the look with the last squared warlord - the first I'd seen, and frankly looking a lot better than the ol' fisher-price beetlebacks.

This monstrosity?

Spoiler:

Its hideous.....The first metal Warlord was much better.

I guess with "last" he meant the one for Epic 40k. And IIRC the one in the pic is the first metal Warlord (2nd edition).

My least favorite titan of the modern bunch is the reaver, the head looks squashed and insect like. I much prefer the knightly, helmeted look of the huge warlord and even the basic imperial knight. Or titans that look like enormous walking castles. But it looks like they are bringing that ugly reaver into the game...oh well. Even a simple head swap on that thing could improve it a bit.

Looking forward to getting baby versions of my full sized Titans. I think a dreadnought sized warlord seems fine. It would put a knight about an inch or inch and a half. A full scale knight doesnt even come to the knee of a warlord.

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Looking forward to getting baby versions of my full sized Titans. I think a dreadnought sized warlord seems fine. It would put a knight about an inch or inch and a half. A full scale knight doesnt even come to the knee of a warlord.

....wow. Hadn't really seen this comparison and that is just staggering. Sheesh.

On an aside, I can't wait for this game. I love the scale change - now painting them will be much more rewarding than the smaller scale alternative.

 Thargrim wrote:
My least favorite titan of the modern bunch is the reaver, the head looks squashed and insect like. I much prefer the knightly, helmeted look of the huge warlord and even the basic imperial knight. Or titans that look like enormous walking castles. But it looks like they are bringing that ugly reaver into the game...oh well. Even a simple head swap on that thing could improve it a bit.

Matter of taste (I like it), but the design is hardly 'modern'. The Reaver whith the 'mantis head' was released in 1988 (there was another option that I didn't like - it was used for the Armorcast/Epicast/? model).

I also really dislike the Reaver - maybe they can design some cool alternates, but it doesn't hold a candle to the other FW models for me: Cerastus-style Knights, Warhound, and the Warlord...

I find it really odd that they have a fully playable version of the game, complete with fully art finished data cards for the titans, but we haven't seen a single preview for the models, not even a CAD render.

GW have always worked the other way around in the past, making models first then coming up with rules to use them with.

As someone that still plays AT about once a year, I feel oddly underwhelmed by everything about this so far. Maybe pretty new titans models will start the hype train.

 Dryaktylus wrote:

 Thargrim wrote:
My least favorite titan of the modern bunch is the reaver, the head looks squashed and insect like. I much prefer the knightly, helmeted look of the huge warlord and even the basic imperial knight. Or titans that look like enormous walking castles. But it looks like they are bringing that ugly reaver into the game...oh well. Even a simple head swap on that thing could improve it a bit.

Matter of taste (I like it), but the design is hardly 'modern'. The Reaver whith the 'mantis head' was released in 1988 (there was another option that I didn't like - it was used for the Armorcast/Epicast/? model).

Hmm, maybe thats why it looks odd next to the knights and warlord...its based off a retro 1980s design and hasn't changed much since. I don't hate the design...I just don't look at it and think in my head wow that looks badarse...which is the opposite of how I feel about some of the others.

If this does become a hit, I would love to see them do eldar titans with wraithbone styled datasheets next as those are a sleek contrast to the slower bulk of the imperial titans. I do find it odd we haven't seen any models for this yet...I thought someone asked and they said some models are completed already.

 Tamereth wrote:
I find it really odd that they have a fully playable version of the game, complete with fully art finished data cards for the titans, but we haven't seen a single preview for the models, not even a CAD render.

Tamereth, on the CAD, that's probably because these are just the larger models scaled down for the most part... but yeah, I was Really hoping to see some physical models in the Weekender coverage. Next time, I guess!

When would the next one be, by the way?

 Elbows wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!

I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.



Followed by this similar abomination:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.

On the plus side, I bought three of the new Phantoms back then to make into Necron dreadnought-sized constructs for 40K, and they would probably make good Necron titans, too.

for the love of Gods I'd erased those from memory... =(

 Thargrim wrote:

If this does become a hit, I would love to see them do eldar titans with wraithbone styled datasheets next as those are a sleek contrast to the slower bulk of the imperial titans. I do find it odd we haven't seen any models for this yet...I thought someone asked and they said some models are completed already.

It's probably too much to hope for (since there's been no hint of it in the knight-style 40K releases). But a reissue of the Bright Stallion would be awesome.

Joyboozer wrote:
Tin data sheet with magnetic cards and tokens would be an industry leading move!

So expect an Android app with a real-money store to buy more equipment cards or orders or whatever.

Cautiously excited for this game, but I really wish they had gone the other way with the scale... 3mm sized infantry might be tiny, but when you are talking about skyscraper sized titans and building sized tanks, it really just makes sense.

£300 to play a sort of detailed duel game is less appealing than pushing huge armies of lead.

Dryaktylus wrote:

I guess with "last" he meant the one for Epic 40k.

Indeedly-doodly. This one.



I still want to know how the 'Dictatio escaped...

Tamereth wrote:I find it really odd that they have a fully playable version of the game, complete with fully art finished data cards for the titans, but we haven't seen a single preview for the models, not even a CAD render.

Aye, noticed that. I assumed it'd be like that epic-scale version of the 28mm warlord they showed off a while ago.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:


Always liked the cutie on the right.

Ditto...I have a vague memory of that being another Emperor-class variant (just never released).

On a side note, wasn't there a rumor that came out fairly recently, of FW introducing new and different Titan classes and patterns? Would love to see that...

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Spoiler:

 Elbows wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!

I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.



Followed by this similar abomination:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.

On the plus side, I bought three of the new Phantoms back then to make into Necron dreadnought-sized constructs for 40K, and they would probably make good Necron titans, too.

Yeah those designs made no sense, wonder who designed those.

The size is not the issue, but affordability is if i have to pay 6000 yen ($60) to add a (reaver) Titan, i am quickly done with the game, it is a quick way to kill a specialist game by making the add on's too expensive.
And with the advancement in plastic extrusion technique, they could get the same quality on the old scale

The thing which gets me about the current plans for AT is the total lack of tanks. Forgeworld has released a great many vehicles for the Horus Heresy series, great Mechanicus warmachines and brand new Space Marine super heavies. No player could own enough tanks to feel like a real armor commander, much less field the variety which Forgeworld has released.

So, I'd really like a tank addition to the game. That'd allow the more average person to field the 30K tanks in large enough numbers to approach some of the big battles.

 judgedoug wrote:
I own at least three of the E2.5 metal Warlords in addition to the 50 or so plastic beetleback Warlords.

Slow clap...



Pics?

 Padre wrote:


Ditto...I have a vague memory of that being another Emperor-class variant (just never released).

Those are some of Jes' concept drawings for AT; two Reavers, cut away and a Warlord. Designs changed before the game came out.
Am somewhat sad that we never saw a mini of that Warlord.

T

That is a Warlord, eh? I agree - a model of that would have been brilliant.

 Vermis wrote:


I still want to know how the 'Dictatio escaped...

I wish they had printed Book IV in consolidated form. I have like 7 of the issues of WHM that include it, but am missing some parts.

That mystery titan is from the original AT rules and IIRC was called an Emperor Titan.

I've never heard of a model being made.

Bigger picture from Jes Goodwin's Gothic and Eldrich book

It's actually not that big, based on that pic.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
That mystery titan is from the original AT rules and IIRC was called an Emperor Titan.

I've never heard of a model being made.

Bigger picture from Jes Goodwin's Gothic and Eldrich book

Isn't it this chap - http://www.solegends.com/citcat2005spc/c2005spcp0035-01.htm
The Imperial Class Battle Titan?

Emperor Titans were the class bigger than Warlords. Several years later GW made the Imperiator (cathedral head) and later Fanatic had the Warmonger.

'Imperial' titans is any titan the Imperium uses.

 Vermis wrote:

The rumour and inference about GW purposefully hobbling 6mm sellers gets me salty, too. It's like... GW had their chance. Re-releasing in 6mm would be one thing, and innocent enough; but 8mm feels petty, because they only just realised that they shouldn't have given it up years ago. Like someone giving you a hand-me-down car, coming back years later to slash your tyres.

Well luckily with titans true scale is bigger deal and you can play with older titans easily enough. Infantry etc are more of a bummer but since no new epic with infantry no biggie.

As I understand it, there are broad classes: Emperor Titans, Battle Titans, Scout Titans (and presumably others); and then subsets of these.

For example, both Warlord Titans and Reaver Titans are Battle Titans. The Emperor Class included the Imperator (the plastic one you got in the later boxed version of Adeptus Titanicus) and the Warmonger (a conversion kit for the same model).

Within these subsets are further divisions – the Warlord could be an Eclipse, Death-Bringer etc.

I think the nomenclature's always been a bit vague. I read somewhere that the Eclipse, Death-Bringer etc. were originally intended to be different models (i.e. not Warlord variants, but completely different figures), but budget/tech constraints left them as simple weapon loadout variants.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Spoiler:

 Elbows wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
1st and 2nd were great, and while I wasn't a fan of 3rd and 4th in terms of rules, some of the models were fantastic - especially for the tanks and super-heavies.

Some of the Titans though?

Best to NEVER speak and certainly NEVER show the abomination that was the re-done Eldar Phantom Titan...

Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE HORROR!

I was actually going to ask on another forum who that designer was. That "era" of Epic had a lot of "his" (mystery person) work in it...and it was almost universally terrible. For those wondering, this is the abomination - yep, I'm going there.



Followed by this similar abomination:


Designed by someone who'd never seen anything in the Warhammer 40K and had obviously never heard of Eldar - also, sadly, this person was limited to straight lines and triangles for design work. Simply...beyond terrible. So who was the criminal behind this garbage? I imagine it's the same guy behind the admittedly "okay" Warlord Titan because they share a lot of the same - straight lines EVERYWHERE approach.

On the plus side, I bought three of the new Phantoms back then to make into Necron dreadnought-sized constructs for 40K, and they would probably make good Necron titans, too.

Yeah those designs made no sense, wonder who designed those.

The size is not the issue, but affordability is if i have to pay 6000 yen ($60) to add a (reaver) Titan, i am quickly done with the game, it is a quick way to kill a specialist game by making the add on's too expensive.
And with the advancement in plastic extrusion technique, they could get the same quality on the old scale

I'm pretty sure they were designed by Dave Andrews, who was on the B-team of Citadel sculptors along with Aly/Trish Morrison and Gary Morley. Not exactly prestigious company to keep.