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krazynadechukr wrote:
So, I just spoke to my GW manager last night (friend of 10+ years), who was recently in London and also the Heresy event. (He has given me solid info on rumors in the past like before AoS was widely known, Deathwatch heads up, and so on, including Cypher coming back...) Anyway, he says that inside Adeptus Titanicus starter box it will contain 6 plastic models (2 large, 2 medium, 2 small) with options, along with several new dice, a rulebook, several reference cards, counters, ruler stick thing, and (it looked like) 8 easy to assemble pieces of heavy card stock scenery that had plastic like borders for the cards to clip into, representing battle torn futuristic buildings. The rulebook contains rules for different types of gameplay, including basic skirmishes of 1 on 1 as well as massive battles for dozens against dozens. There is a large detailed Campaign too and stand alone scenarios. Several (or a dozen?) boxed sets are planned to also be coming out, so you can add to your Adeptus Titanicus army, at and after, general release of the boxed starter! As always, digest with some salt.


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Oh, and it might be $149.99 USD for the starter....


I really am unsure of his info. This just came out the other day - from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew -

Spoiler:

"The game is set during the Horus Heresy in the spirit of the original Adeptus Titanicus. It will begin with just Titans. The scale will be 8mm – They decided on this scale after 3D printing a Marine, Dread, Leman Russ, Warlord and a Mastodon in three different scales. 8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart but didn’t make the Titans too big. 8mm will make a Warlord around 6″ tall (that’s what it looked like when Andy Hoare put his hands apart, don’t blame me if the final model is smaller or larger…).
The models will be produced in resin by Forge World. Typical force may be in the region of two Warlords, two Reavers and two-three Warhounds. More Titan variants are possible. Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. Currently the Titans are being 3D modelled by Chris Drew, the Warlord has been done as the 40k version was originally 3D modelled so it was a case of just scaling things down and getting it to work as a model which can be manufactured. We may, may, get to see something at the Forge World Open Day…(may, depending on Tony Cottrell)."

Mod edit - Added spoiler tags to older rumor quote

It sounds too good to be true, i believe it when i see it.
If it is true i guess it will be 2 warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds or knights?

 RiTides wrote:
Or that the warlord size is a little smaller (other recent rumors say Leviathan dreadnought sized) and then it would work. Maybe 2 Warlords and 4 Knights (2 bigger ones like Cerastus). Who knows, but I'm guessing the Warlord is going to be their focus - certainly not the Reaver!

It's possible but it kinda makes having a new "scale" kinda pointless if they're going to throw it out the window right away.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
If it is true i guess it will be 2 warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds or knights?

Two knights sounds off, if only because from the sound of things you're going to want to run knights in packs.

Eumerin wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
If it is true i guess it will be 2 warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds or knights?

Two knights sounds off, if only because from the sound of things you're going to want to run knights in packs.

Which is why it doesn't sound off to me. 2 would be enough to play an intro scenario but for proper games you'd be buying more wouldn't you? That would make a lot of sense to me. You get 2 in the starter and can buy a pack of.. hmm.. I wonder what a retail blister of Knights would look like in this day and age? They're going to be what.. about the size of a 28mm gretchin (I think that's about how big stompas are). So maybe a smallish box of 3-5? How many does everyone think would be in a pack like that now? At the very end, Epic vehicles were.. what 3 to a little blister?

 MLaw wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
If it is true i guess it will be 2 warlords, 2 reavers, 2 warhounds or knights?

Two knights sounds off, if only because from the sound of things you're going to want to run knights in packs.

Which is why it doesn't sound off to me. 2 would be enough to play an intro scenario but for proper games you'd be buying more wouldn't you? That would make a lot of sense to me. You get 2 in the starter and can buy a pack of.. hmm.. I wonder what a retail blister of Knights would look like in this day and age? They're going to be what.. about the size of a 28mm gretchin (I think that's about how big stompas are). So maybe a smallish box of 3-5? How many does everyone think would be in a pack like that now? At the very end, Epic vehicles were.. what 3 to a little blister?

The old plastic Knight paladins were about the same size as a marine. Going to 8mm, I can see roughly terminator size for questoris knights (maybe sold in packs of 5 or 6? ) centurion size for cerastus knights, dreadnought size for the Acastus, slightly shorter but wider contemptor for the warhound, dreadknight size for the reaver, and riptide size for the Warlord.

The contents of the box don't have to be symmetrical though. It could be something like say a warlord and 2 knights vs a reaver and 2 warhounds.

Plus, even with plastic titans, they may not be the full versions- say something more like the calth contemptor vs the FW resin ones.

When I talked to Andy about it, he was talking about how the plastic terrain was absolutely vital.

Rumour seems made up to me.

Vorian wrote:
When I talked to Andy about it, he was talking about how the plastic terrain was absolutely vital.

Rumour seems made up to me.

It does sound too good to be true, now that i read it again this morning, especially with no plastic terrain mentioned.

A game with plastic terrain and only a couple of titans would be a bit of let down to be honest, which seems to be par for the course too nowadays.

This refers to the 40k-scale buildings built for the recent demo at the HH Weekender:

The buildings used are Cad onto Foamboard of the modular plastic buildings that will be available to buy to assemble as you desire.

source

 Rayvon wrote:
A game with plastic terrain and only a couple of titans would be a bit of let down to be honest

Disagree. Renegade was a great idea and a deal. The scale/subject of Adeptus Titanicus makes such a deal even more exciting.

Yeah, with all the great deals in boxed games at the minute that seems like a misplaced complaint

 Manchu wrote:
This refers to the 40k-scale buildings built for the recent demo at the HH Weekender:

The buildings used are Cad onto Foamboard of the modular plastic buildings that will be available to buy to assemble as you desire.

source

Was that confirmed for the actual game, or was that just for the 40k scale game that was being played and shown in the pictures ?

 Manchu wrote:
Disagree. Renegade was a great idea and a deal. The scale/subject of Adeptus Titanicus makes such a deal even more exciting.

Each to his own, I guess.
One on one titan action does not interest me that much, it seems silly to waste box space on plastic terrain, when you could have more titans instead.
Especially when there is already that game you linked.
Maybe i am hoping for too much.


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Vorian wrote:
Yeah, with all the great deals in boxed games at the minute that seems like a misplaced complaint

How do You mean ?

The original had a boatload of titans in it.
None of the new boxed games apart from renegades had plastic terrain, and that sold mostly because of cheap knights.

I'd counter that, after a fashion.

When it comes to a new scale, having new terrain readily available is important - otherwise you're largely stuck playing on Planet Bowling Ball.

Needs to be a good mix in the box though.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Hm 6 models isn't much...

Enough for standard sized game it looks with spare if game is designed to work with 5 models per side.

So 2 players get box each and have instant standard army. Akin to getting 1500 pts 40k force in starter set. Many of those?

 Manchu wrote:
This refers to the 40k-scale buildings built for the recent demo at the HH Weekender:

The buildings used are Cad onto Foamboard of the modular plastic buildings that will be available to buy to assemble as you desire.

source

 Rayvon wrote:
A game with plastic terrain and only a couple of titans would be a bit of let down to be honest

Disagree. Renegade was a great idea and a deal. The scale/subject of Adeptus Titanicus makes such a deal even more exciting.

Spoiler:

You have to keep things in context though. The reason Renegade was so popular was more because it was a good deal to get 2 Knights than it was a great idea for a standalone game. AT is going to have the problem that you can't just turn around and use the models in a regular 40k game, or even a regular Epic game because the scale is going to be different.

@ Rayvon, Oh, if you mean that they don't have terrain in its the let down that's different. I thought you meant the boxed games were a let down - when they've actually been very good value.

Of course they might have a starter and then just the terrain in a separate release.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I'd counter that, after a fashion.

When it comes to a new scale, having new terrain readily available is important - otherwise you're largely stuck playing on Planet Bowling Ball.

Needs to be a good mix in the box though.

Indeed, terrain is vital otherwise it's line up and shoot. You need something to maneuver round, cover your flanks with, ambush, etc. 8mm is a new scale for GW players, old and new. While old Epic buildings that some of us have will do after a fashion, getting a new raft of 8mm terrain could take a little while to sort out. Luckily 8mm appears to be equivalent to 1/200 scale - something which does have some support after a quick search...

Vorian wrote:
@ Rayvon, Oh, if you mean that they don't have terrain in its the let down that's different. I thought you meant the boxed games were a let down - when they've actually been very good value.

Of course they might have a starter and then just the terrain in a separate release.

I basically meant that I would rather have more titans and less plastic terrain, I was not very clear, I see that now.

I know how important terrain is to the game, but if the plastic buildings are limiting the amount of titans in the box, I would prefer card stock ones or something similar.

That would be my ideal, I am still chuffed that they are working on it at all, I will probably like whatever they do with it after a game or two !!

Folks, it´s not a question of plastic terrain or not.

We are not even sure that we will get any plastic titans in the first place. So far, the FW team said they were gonna make them all in resin, and terrain in plastic.

The only way to be sure that we get plastic titans is to hear directly from them. Everything else is just speculation and whishlisting, unfortunately.

Well, they raised the possibility. It's not like it's just blind hope.

Going to be a long 3 months till the next event!

 Silent Puffin? wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Hm 6 models isn't much...

The original had 6 models.

That rumour sounds to good to be true so it probably isn't

Ha
But I've long thought about them having dual packages for the AT v.Next release (btw, those of you pointing out this isn't a new epic, kudos to you all). Remember we've got two very different groups they're trying to sweep up into the game. The first are the HH 30k players that never played AT or epic or had long ago but lack models. Number two they are also trying to get a very active Epic scene that's got plenty of existing collections full of Titans and 3rd party options to jump in as well. The former needs a full package. The latter won't touch it if they have to repurchase Titans as they already have them. If you lurk or read any of the Epic forums or FB groups there's a very similar conversation happening there, just reversed.

So my thinking is if FW is very aware and planning on a "thin" release of terrain and rules and a deluxe release with a few Titans thrown in as well. Might account for some of the confused signals we seem to be getting from them. OTOH, maybe they are just confused

 Jimmy Zimms wrote:
But I've long thought about them having dual packages for the AT v.Next release (btw, those of you pointing out this isn't a new epic, kudos to you all). Remember we've got two very different groups they're trying to sweep up into the game. The first are the HH 30k players that never played AT or epic or had long ago but lack models. Number two they are also trying to get a very active Epic scene that's got plenty of existing collections full of Titans and 3rd party options to jump in as well. The former needs a full package. The latter won't touch it if they have to repurchase Titans as they already have them. If you lurk or read any of the Epic forums or FB groups there's a very similar conversation happening there, just reversed.

So my thinking is if FW is very aware and planning on a "thin" release of terrain and rules and a deluxe release with a few Titans thrown in as well. Might account for some of the confused signals we seem to be getting from them. OTOH, maybe they are just confused

This has the potential to be the successor to Epic especially in light of the various comments of GW running test casts and what's been said on the rules writing. I reckon Blood Bowl has caused a rethink to their plans as that has blown up massively against what they were expecting which could explain a lot of the mixed messages. Originally, it was a terrain and rules starter box (think Epic40k players edition) with all resin Titans purchased separately. After Blood Bowl, that's now changed. I reckon they're currently in the process of trying to agree a slot for plastics tooling for one or more Titan Chassis. Blood Bowl and the delayed release in trying to get a release window in amongst GW's plans may mean there's more chance of a tooling slot for plastic chassis.

Oh of course it does have potential. Let us not forget that we got Epic in the first place as an outgrowth from the original AT game, after all. I don't believe anyone is discounting nor debating that (if they are then that's silly talk ). However as it stands this is a game, from what we know so far from the demo, is far closer to XWing and SW Armada then Epic as it stands now. If you remember all the way back to the first Edition that it basically crumbled under it's own weight rules-wise and was a rewrite to create 2nd edition starting a long glorious tradition of each version of Epic being a ground up rewrite! Just saying that without the armour and infantry and flyers combined arms that AT wasn't Epic and at this time, neither is this game. That's not to say that this is unwelcome, not cool as crap, and I, like probably much of the active 6mm wargamming community, very curious to see where this goes.

All that being said, I don't think it's really to the point I was making above that perspective and marketing are variable about this game. I'm seeing much discussion about lack of Titans being a killer for buy-in from what I suspect are primarily 28mm players. I happen to agree, not covering that need will be a colossal misstep. I just wanted to point out that the 6mm crowd is looking at this and is pretty adamant about avoiding a "titan tax" and just would like new scenery (something 6 and 10mm folks go gaga over like crackgheads) and the rules. I hope that FW is cognizant of this dichotomy, that's all.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
AT is going to have the problem that you can't just turn around and use the models in a regular 40k game, or even a regular Epic game because the scale is going to be different.

This just gets back to MDG's point about why it's important to sell terrain in the starter box.

Maybe I missed it but has it been announced or hinted at when this will be coming out?

Vintersorg wrote:
We are not even sure that we will get any plastic titans in the first place.

It's not wishlisting to argue that an Adeptus Titanicus starter box that comes with only resin titans or no titans is far-fetched.

 Necros wrote:
Maybe I missed it but has it been announced or hinted at when this will be coming out?

No announcement. The rumour is, so far as I know, toward the end of 2017.

If I recall, the original AT had grey polystyrene buildings (which actually weren't half bad).

Then SM had the card stock walled buildings with plastic roofs (pretty sturdy, few different colour schemes - again pretty good).

Interested to see where they go with this. I would have no qualms with using my old 6mm stuff (the old square infantry bases. not the silly gunline ones). Actually think it would look better in scale - and it's old HH-style rhinos/land raiders/beakies...

The terrain from Space Marine/Titan Legions was actually pretty good - cardstock building walls and plastic roofs?

 Alpharius wrote:
The terrain from Space Marine/Titan Legions was actually pretty good - cardstock building walls and plastic roofs?

These ones. Good for the time but pretty janky for what's available in the 6-10mm world now

Theres, what, 25 years gap between those pics?

Aye. That's why I went through the bother of adding the descriptions stating one was from 2nd edition and the other was modern

I didn't say it was janky FOR THE TIME, just now it would be considered very basic. I suspect that most people in Dakka are unaware of the current quality and sophistication seen in modern 6-10mm terrain and models that are around. FW claims, and charges for, premium products. Well this is the type of terrain that would be considered on the higher end now and what I'd expect from FW (at least for add on parts). Those buildings they had in that demo were claimed by people (salt doses required) to be upscaled versions of the buildings they are planning to throw in. If so, and that's a big salty IF, then it's laughable unless it's very inexpensive...

Now sorry if the segue between answering Alpharius' inquiry and the other attachment made them seem more related in meaning. I wasn't trying to, more just throwing up some general knowledge about what's happening in the Epic community. A scale and game not as discussed here at Dakka. So if that came across snarky, or a ding, or was just unclear, mea culpas

krazynadechukr wrote:


Right from Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew (creating this game) at the Horus Heresy event - "Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced. Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks. "

Let's hope!

Given that the answer to my question in the seminar on the Sunday of "Are knights the smallest size unit you are going to do are are you going to do smaller stuff" was along the lines of "No, knights are definitely the smallest we are going".