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Do we have any ideas on how the game plays yet?

Or was that not demoed at the event?

Still, the models are gorgeous, going to be hard to resist plunging into this heavily.

How is there so much discussion on size when all you need to do is use the bases for reference ?

Starter wise, the box shown says Grand Master edition so I think it's plausible that post launch we will see a smaller version as not everyone may want a warlord based legion.

One thing that my group discussed - given they now have a plastic sprue for a warlord..... scale it up.

I think the Emperor Titan will be same base size as Warlord , it's footprint in Epic was similar it's just taller with the larger top section.

Weapons, presumably interchangeable between classes other than the warlord carapace ones ? Could also be that they are just showing the iconic weapons first ? It's worth noting that although someone posted that old catalogue pic of epic weapons that that wasn't a range they made its just a page of parts from the then current epic kits , you used to be able to order individual parts from GW mail order in England. It was haphazard as often stuff was out of stock for ages or no longer existed given the catalogue came out once a year other than a few highlights in the back of white dwarf.

If they ever do a Emperor class I'd expect something at least the height of the 40k scale Lancer Knight.

Now that the initial reveal is done I'm really interested to know what is going on with the Warlord sub classes from the original game like the Night gaunt. IIRC there was a rumour that they were looking to make them into distinct Titan types and not just Warlord variants.
Oh and some kind of update for the Lucius pattern Titans would be cool, even as just a purely cosmetic thing.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

I think the Emperor Titan will be same base size as Warlord , it's footprint in Epic was similar it's just taller with the larger top section.

Nah man, compared to a beetleback an Imperator is WAY wider! I couldn't find where the stepped feet have gone from mine off-hand (these add more than 1cm to the total width on their own) but I snapped a quick pic to illustrate.

Blimey, looks like they've moulded on the Ardex weapons. On other thing - the weapons and mounting points have been sculpted with magnet recesses! From leaky cheese Twitter:

They just got all my money. It's amazing how a year ago I wouldn't have touched GW with a 10ft barge pole or played their games and now I'm excited for every release going.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

One thing that my group discussed - given they now have a plastic sprue for a warlord..... scale it up. .

It doesn't work like that. Scaling an 8mm sprue up to 28mm gets you a 28mm model that is really lacking in detail. Armorcast got away with it back in the '90s, because the original Epic titans didn't have that much detail to begin with... but reproducing these sculpts in 28mm would require completely resculpting them.

Which would be a backwards way of going about it anyway, since these were most likely made from scaled down versions of the Forgeworld sculpts. Resculpting those to be compatible with plastic tooling would be more sensible than trying to do it from 8mm models.

Wow! I'm finding it difficult to find the words to describe how packed full of awesome this is!

The titan models are amazing (and can't wait to see the Warhounds), and the buildings/terrain are superb as well.

This game will seriously hurt my pocketbook, and FW hasn't even started with the add ons yet.

I hope the sales warrant further expansion!

 stonehorse wrote:
Do we have any ideas on how the game plays yet?

Or was that not demoed at the event?

Still, the models are gorgeous, going to be hard to resist plunging into this heavily.

Can't find the source right now, but some WF attendee posted a rough outline along these lines:

- Alternating turn sequence, so you activate one titan, then your opponent, etc.
- Various actions like firing weapons, moving faster generate heat.
- Heat builds up to green, orange and red lines. Red line = bad things happen.
- Void shields are restored and reactors cooled during an end of turn "repair phase".
- D10s are involved.
- Each Titan has a "command terminal":




I don't know how Knights are handled. I wouldn't be surprised if they have simplified rules and group activation similar to how escorts were handled in BFG.

Mildly disappointed that the card above seems to suggest Warlords come with pair carapace Weapons.


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On a different note....

Is it just me, or do the Titans now look to be roughly in scale with the original infantry?

That was a playtest card from two years ago - things light have changed ...

But still, ever since the square Warlord was introduced in Epic 40,000, it seems like the weapons on a Warlord's carapace mounts are different somehow - slightly lighter, perhaps - than those mounted in the arms.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
That was a playtest card from two years ago - things light have changed ...

But still, ever since the square Warlord was introduced in Epic 40,000, it seems like the weapons on a Warlord's carapace mounts are different somehow - slightly lighter, perhaps - than those mounted in the arms.

And they stayed that way until fw upgraded the carapace mounts to laser blasters instead of twin turbos with the 28mm model.

… which are still described as "secondary weapons".

Original Adeptus Titanicus, if memory serves, gave each chassis ‘Hard Points’ for custom models outside the Titan Cards.

One could mount all Warlord Class Weapons, but it came at a steep price in movement and agility.


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Oh, and crucially for me, as a lazy painter, these look like they’re fairly easy to paint. Good ridge detail, clear lines between panels. Lovely.

In the current Horus Heresy army list, a Warlord must have paired carapace weapons (although it can also mount the arm weapons from a Reaver up there).

In 1st and 2nd edition Epic, Reavers could mount almost all the same weapons as a Warlord - originally in 1st edition the metal Reaver/Warhound arms simply represented the same weapons as the plastic Warlord weapons. 2nd edition made them distinct and explained them as lighter weapons for the smaller chassis, but the only size-based restriction was that only Warlords could mount the heaviest plasma weapon (the plasma destructor).

As far as painting goes, I'll do it the same as I've done my 40k Knights - paint the whole chassis gunmetal, black then brown then black wash, drybrush highlights. Paint all the armour panels separately. If it wasn't for waiting for three washes to dry, I could probably do one in a day.

 insaniak wrote:

 TwilightSparkles wrote:

One thing that my group discussed - given they now have a plastic sprue for a warlord..... scale it up. .

It doesn't work like that. Scaling an 8mm sprue up to 28mm gets you a 28mm model that is really lacking in detail. Armorcast got away with it back in the '90s, because the original Epic titans didn't have that much detail to begin with... but reproducing these sculpts in 28mm would require completely resculpting them.

Which would be a backwards way of going about it anyway, since these were most likely made from scaled down versions of the Forgeworld sculpts. Resculpting those to be compatible with plastic tooling would be more sensible than trying to do it from 8mm models.

Yer but those are some really detailed 8mm models. By the time you have up scaled them 4 times they would still be pretty awesome. If you could buy an fairly well detailed plastic warlord for £250 are you saying you wouldn't?
Also at the last weekender FW where saying the titan stuff was all cad, and that there was a high probability of seeing all of the new weapon options brought out for the epic game in 28mm scale.

I’m amazed at the detail on those models. They look horribly difficult to paint, though, especially the Knights.

Dunno.

Warlord ought to be a doddle. Good definition between the panels, largely standard gun metal below.

And I’m not sure anyone else has shared, but here’s an ‘old and new’ comparison.

 Tamereth wrote:

Yer but those are some really detailed 8mm models. By the time you have up scaled them 4 times they would still be pretty awesome.

The pertinent point is that they're detailed 8mm models. The detail is exaggerated where necessary and fudged where necessary to work at 8mm. Blow that up 4 times larger, and they won't look anywhere near as good.

If you could buy an fairly well detailed plastic warlord for £250 are you saying you wouldn't?

No, I wouldn't, but that's not the point. The point is that given their current production standard, GW wouldn't release them in the first place as they wouldn't be good enough for 28mm. If and when they get around to 40K scale titans, they'll be generated from 28mm sculpts, not upscaled 8mm.

And I think you would be in for a rude surprise if you think a plastic Warlord titan from GW would be anywhere close to £250...

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

And I’m not sure anyone else has shared, but here’s an ‘old and new’ comparison.

Now that's big!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dunno.

Warlord ought to be a doddle. Good definition between the panels, largely standard gun metal below.

And I’m not sure anyone else has shared, but here’s an ‘old and new’ comparison.

This is the sort of scale shot I've been waiting for.

The old models were if anything underscaled compared to the infantry in epic. And boy have they not aged well (said with the love of a man that owns a dozen of them). The new models will have a much bigger presence on the tabletop, but I fear for the price of them.

Oh gods now I REALLY want them to do Imperators and MegaGargants in that new scale!

Now I wanna see a Great Garganti in that scale.....

I can see wraithguard and wraithlords being used as stand in for eldar titans at that scale.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
I can see wraithguard and wraithlords being used as stand in for eldar titans at that scale.

The old Phantom Titan was the same size as the Eldar Dreadnought /Wraithlord, so at the new scale it seems like Wraithguard would likely be a little too big for Knights, and Wraithlords will be too small for titans.

Didn't the eldar have pony Titans too? Because that would be precious.

I'm itching to see the height of the warhounds. I can get a pretty decent size comparison for my eldar out of wraith stuff after that which makes me happy. I'm mostly going to use these during regular Epic 40k anyway but they'll look so cool!!!!

 Red Marine wrote:
Didn't the eldar have pony Titans too? Because that would be precious.

Bright Stallion Knights. Although they were more of a centaur than a pony.

This makes me want to dig out my super old GW catalogue which has a load of knight and titan products in it!

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Dunno.

Warlord ought to be a doddle. Good definition between the panels, largely standard gun metal below.

And I’m not sure anyone else has shared, but here’s an ‘old and new’ comparison.

So am I right in thinking that the Reaver is on the small oval base used by Skitarii Ironstriders, while the Warlord is on the large oval used by most Tyranid monsters? That would put the Warhound on a 50/60mm round base.