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Nothing new here, already said it would be the case a few days ago.

Don't think it's necessarly a bad thing. As long as the main focus is on the skirmish game, and the boardgame is seen as more as a sideshow.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Nothing new here, already said it would be the case a few days ago.

Don't think it's necessarly a bad thing. As long as the main focus is on the skirmish game, and the boardgame is seen as more as a sideshow.

That there is why it might be a bad thing!

lol. good point

In all honesty, I missed the 'boardgame' announcement a few days back too.

I'm more than happy to have more than one place to use the miniatures though!

I wasn't concerned when I read about the board game, because I'm expecting it to be an updated Hybrid/Nemesis... which had new models and profile cards for Confrontation.

At the very least, extreme bitterness over the PPP game aside, the rulebook and armybooks for the factions from Age of Ragnorok are now a super cheap source of some fluff on the world. I own all of them and enjoyed reading about each force.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
extreme bitterness over the PPP game aside

Shall we instead call it disinterest?

Otherwise, I agree. Aarklash is great, and let's all hope whoever is moving the fluff into the post Rag' times does a good job of it. As well as the woeful missteps over material and rules, one of things I hated about Rackham's last days was the v3.5 fluff changes, which felt like a massive dumbing down. Devourers, apparently en masse, decided they'd had enough of being part of the Paths of Destiny and moved to the Meanders of Darkness. Before, I'd loved the fact that two 'mortal enemy' factions, Wolfen and Devourers, were actually part of the same broad alignment of views, and the world felt cheapened by the Devourers 'going evil', when their fluff was pretty much that they were entirely true to their nature. Also Tir-Na-Bor going to the Light, when one of their units was an Immortal of Destiny...

I don't know who was calling the shots for the whole v3.5 fiasco, but I hope that both the rules and the fluff evolution of the world is done from a point that predates their... contribution.

Ehh Devourers always were basically Evil Wolfen so not sure why them officially going to the evil alliance would rub someone wrong in all honesty.

I think many if not most of the regular players expected it as they moved the game forward.

Also cadwallon at he very end becoming more or less the massive mixed neutral faction more than made up for the Devourers moving to darkness.

Looking forward to seeing what they do...not sure I like the idea of a kickstarter though without any prior productt being successfully produced...and from my point of view a relatively unknown producer.

To many grand idea kickstarters have fallen flat due to poor delivery from new or in-experienced firms....So Im in hard core wait and see mode---I wont back a kickstarter i highly doubt. The designers need to cough up some of their own capital to prove they have some skin in the game. If they produce something decent I'm sure it will sell but Im not buying ideas of artwork, and ideas of rules they want to have financed so they can then actually figure out how to make work or figure out how to be a business.

 Alpharius wrote:
A skirmish game AND a board game?

Not sure how I feel about the divided focus right out of the gate, and I'd love more details on both but...

...so far so good.

I mean, at least this is happenig!

I hope they manage the two better than Dust...

So, does this mean they will be manufacturing plastics for the board game and metals for the skirmish game? They can't expect a boardgame with metal minis to sell well, and they can't sell plastics to the skirmishers without setting off the frothing fanboys.


I'm also curious how well the range will sell considering how diluted the Rakham talent pool has become with the best sculptors working for different companies now and several extant ranges duplicating the style that used to be Confrontation's artistic draw. When customers can buy dozens of resins, restics, or even good quality boardgame pieces with the same design aesthetic, will they still want to spend enough on these new metals to keep the company in business?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
...and they can't sell plastics to the skirmishers without setting off the frothing fanboys.

Not sure that part's actually true - it would all depend on what kind of plastic, the sculpts, and whether or not they're pre-painted, I'd think.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:



I'm also curious how well the range will sell considering how diluted the Rakham talent pool has become with the best sculptors working for different companies now and several extant ranges duplicating the style that used to be Confrontation's artistic draw. When customers can buy dozens of resins, restics, or even good quality boardgame pieces with the same design aesthetic, will they still want to spend enough on these new metals to keep the company in business?

King of agree with you. And also. at the time, GW plastics were far from being as good as they are now, so that was one of the big appeal of Confrontation.

Bring back Confrontation as a 'true' skirmish game with high quality sculpts?

Yes, there will absolutely be a big enough customer base to keep them in business and successful!

 Alpharius wrote:
Bring back Confrontation as a 'true' skirmish game with high quality sculpts?

Yes, there will absolutely be a big enough customer base to keep them in business and successful!

Its a bit more competitive these days then it was back then. As much as positive anyone can be its going to take more than just the good old Confrontation heritage to make this a profitable project.

Crossing fingers they pull it off.

 NAVARRO wrote:
Its a bit more competitive these days then it was back then.

The same could be said of bringing Blood Bowl back. Pedigree counts for a lot.

Right!

Pedigree + good rules + great sculpts will = win!

 .Mikes. wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Its a bit more competitive these days then it was back then.

The same could be said of bringing Blood Bowl back. Pedigree counts for a lot.

For the models and the art, sure. Personally I never found the game to be that amazing. It always seemed to end in a mosh pit in the middle of the board, and lacked the push/pull mechanics that gives Warmachine a lot of options scenario wise
There are several companies and individuals producing awesome painting/collecting pieces, and several more established skirmish games in existence.
There's certainly still room, but I think they've missed the relatively easy window that was open a few years ago. I'd be looking forward to using my Drunes again...which is a problem for them if all I'm doing is buying a rulebook.

 Alpharius wrote:
Right!

Pedigree + good rules + great sculpts will = win!

Unless the whole equation is Pedigree+ good rules + great sculpts + ridiculous price . Will await anxiously. Either way if it's great rules but bad pricing I'll grab it at a discount through Miniaturemarket. If good/reasonable price I'll grab in a heartbeat.

 .Mikes. wrote:

 NAVARRO wrote:
Its a bit more competitive these days then it was back then.

The same could be said of bringing Blood Bowl back. Pedigree counts for a lot.

I agree to an extent, I mean BB never really stopped/died and was always backed by a huge fanbase.
But yes I do hope they manage to brig it back from the ashes.

Price range will be important for it to kick off.

 Theophony wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Right!

Pedigree + good rules + great sculpts will = win!

Unless the whole equation is Pedigree+ good rules + great sculpts + ridiculous price . Will await anxiously. Either way if it's great rules but bad pricing I'll grab it at a discount through Miniaturemarket. If good/reasonable price I'll grab in a heartbeat.

I'm not sure if this one will make it all the way to Online Discount Retail though?

Maybe?

I mean, hopefully, of course.

Speaking of Rackham properties, who owns AT-43 these days?

 Theophony wrote:
Unless the whole equation is Pedigree+ good rules + great sculpts + ridiculous price

Something like this, you mean? That would be a shame.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Speaking of Rackham properties, who owns AT-43 these days?

 Theophony wrote:
Unless the whole equation is Pedigree+ good rules + great sculpts + ridiculous price

Something like this, you mean? That would be a shame.

well hats the south of the equator tax, here in the northern (regular folk who are not worried about drop bears ) hemisphere we gobble that item up for about half the price.

They could create a set of objectives à la Malifaux to keep the game from devolving into the mosh pit in the middle of the board.

Plastic (not prepainted) has made real leaps and bounds if you have the right talent to design it. It could be a mix of GW style clampack for named heroes and boxes of a few different sculpts for the nonnac reddof that most of your list is. Except Wolfens, just big, beautiful, intricate resin sculpts for those babies...

If I can just get my grubby hands on more Selsyms... that's all I want. Those out of phase mages and the Echahims were just gorgeous gorgeous sculpts.

 streetsamurai wrote:
King of agree with you. And also. at the time, GW plastics were far from being as good as they are now, so that was one of the big appeal of Confrontation.

Speaking of GW, they released Space Hulk and Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower, which were well-received by BGG, although their other boardgames came and went. So, the Confrontation boardgame could use some of the same plastic sculpts as in the miniatures game. This would amortize the cost of the molds and hopefully tap into an audience that normally does not look into miniature games. Of course, if the game isn't any good, this would just dilute their resources.

 Alpharius wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Right!

Pedigree + good rules + great sculpts will = win!

Unless the whole equation is Pedigree+ good rules + great sculpts + ridiculous price . Will await anxiously. Either way if it's great rules but bad pricing I'll grab it at a discount through Miniaturemarket. If good/reasonable price I'll grab in a heartbeat.

I'm not sure if this one will make it all the way to Online Discount Retail though?

Maybe?

I mean, hopefully, of course.

How could it possibly be a success if it is never sold through mainstream retailers?

I doubt that they have the ressources to make real plastic minis. Pretty sure it will be resins.

Confrontation sales were already slow when they switched to plastics, the system had become just to big to handle, just keep in mind how many cards they had and how complicated it was to balance them all. At best plastic speed it up a little, but not by much.

The sales plummeted mainly because the company that bought them had not intention of keeping them in business fora longer time. They just needed the money that came with the newly restructured Rackham to cover up their own financial problems. The case ist still in courts in France and probably will be never fully resolved. They couldn´t deliver products that already had been produced and waited in warehouses, because the mother company did not pay the factories and this way warehouses full of Rackham-stuff waited for payment that never came. Rackham staff was told to order stuff, while at the soame time the mother company were plundering the chests.

BTW, I was working for them at that time and you will find my name all over the German edition, so I know first habd what happened and also how the german distributor which had a fraudulant past that came to light only later screwed them over. When Rackham had a problem then the one that they were not always wise when choosing their partners. The really messed that part up quite some times.

Personally I didn't like the CC rules. I played Devourers & liked big characters but found that I'd go into CC against some regular swordsmen & get poked to death :(.
I did enter one tournament (the only tournament of any wargame I've ever entered) & came 2nd to last. 'At least you didn't come last', I hear you say but the fella that did come last got a custom carved wooden spoon, a foam tray & the option to fill that tray with a new army!

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Right!

Pedigree + good rules + great sculpts will = win!

Unless the whole equation is Pedigree+ good rules + great sculpts + ridiculous price . Will await anxiously. Either way if it's great rules but bad pricing I'll grab it at a discount through Miniaturemarket. If good/reasonable price I'll grab in a heartbeat.

I'm not sure if this one will make it all the way to Online Discount Retail though?

Maybe?

I mean, hopefully, of course.

How could it possibly be a success if it is never sold through mainstream retailers?

Because there are different ways to measure success?

I mean, look at how Kingdom Death started out, right?

Or maybe a better example would be Corvus Belli?

Start slow, get some wins under your belt, grow cautiously...


...success?

Infinity started out as a direct order product? Was that back in the days when there wasn't a lot of competition for skirmish scale wargames? I know I've seen Infinity stuff in the FLGS for years and years. I guess when I think direct only, I think MEdge or Prodos Space Crusade.

Kingdom Death is a good point, though.