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Just found out today that prodos made this model, don't know if limited edition or what but I'd like to buy one, problem is I can't find any place that sells it.

So if anyone has this model for sale please feel free to send me a pm if you'd like to sell it.

That's from the kickstarter . Not sure anyone actually received one yet

i have but its not for sale.

Several posters have kind of touched on this but I think the point merits expanding:

The ongoing AVP KS fiasco PROVES that Prodos is untrustworthy. If you do business with them directly, understand you have only yourself to blame at this point if they screw you over. You are on notice.

At the same time, I don't believe in boycotting their product. I bailed on the KS because something felt off to me. And I have picked up the stuff I wanted, minus the Predatrix, as it has been released, almost always at a lower price than via the KS. The sculpts are really nice. It is a worthwhile product, less the terrible and essentially incoherent rules. If you want some great figs from these licenses, by all means buy the excellent Prodos ones.

But get them through a reputable reatiler that actually cares about its customer service, such as Wayland Games. At this point, there is no wisdom in handing money directly to Prodos for anything.

I still, to this day, do not have my AvP Kickstarter stuff. All I ordered were the fething tiles...

Is it smuggling chestburster eggs?

It's not prodos without a sleezy mini!

Did they ever release space s crusade I remember that was up for pre order about a year ago just checked on wayland still on pre order

Thebiggesthat wrote:
It's not prodos without a sleezy mini!

It's a faithful representation of how female Predators are portrayed in licensed material. You may think it's sleazy, but in this instance the sleaziness has little to do with Prodos itself.

 dekinrie wrote:
Did they ever release space s crusade I remember that was up for pre order about a year ago just checked on wayland still on pre order

No. just a few minis came out. Space Rusade also had a shipping from date..... so read into that what you will.

I wasn't part of the AvP KS, but what soured me on Prodos was their LOAD kickstarter. The whole fake NDA thing to cover up that Archon Studios = Prodos, and then when BGG uncovered the connection, them coming in and threatening legal action against the site because the BGGers 'sabotaged' their KS.

At the end of the day plastic toymen and delayed kickstarters are whatever in the grand scheme of things, but imho there is something off with the way these guys think.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

It's a faithful representation of how female Predators are portrayed in licensed material. You may think it's sleazy, but in this instance the sleaziness has little to do with Prodos itself.

Oh sure, late 80s/90s comics: a catalogue of the best ideas and restraint.

I mean, look at the evidence here. It could definitely use bigger restraints.

I'm another KS backer still waiting on much of his pledge. Knowing retail buyers will get the 2nd edition of a game before I get everything I paid for a few years ago doesn't make me too happy.

At what point does one consider Prodos' lack of KS sending to be fraud?

I mean there's risks inherent to any KS, because not every one is run by an experienced company, and even when they are, random stuff can happen which wrecks the whole project, or severely delays stuff.

But here, the KS seems to have worked, they're just not upholding their end of the bargain?

I considered it a fraud the second they lied to KS and us backers about the 'IP Issue' and had the KS page pulled.

All Jareks lies since confirm it. His and his company's lies and deception used to KS LOAD under a 'new' company further cemented the fact they are gak bags and frauds.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
At what point does one consider Prodos' lack of KS sending to be fraud?

I mean there's risks inherent to any KS, because not every one is run by an experienced company, and even when they are, random stuff can happen which wrecks the whole project, or severely delays stuff.

But here, the KS seems to have worked, they're just not upholding their end of the bargain?

The moment the product hits retail stores before being shipped to backers.

A shame this license and these miniatures have such a bad company to represent them.

Wonder if these will pop up at Salute.

Going to echo Manchu and say caveat emptor to anyone buying directly.

As further evidence, Infamy Miniatures Tara Kurkova project is about six months late on their delivery estimate, which is pretty typical for a KS really, but they had actually thought they would be able to ship in November/December based on what their casters told them. Obviously they're still not shipping yet so things appear to have gone awry there, and the caster not responding cited was a major issue. A later comment from one of the other people on the project said they were getting a package from Prodos which makes them seem like the caster in question. Now, it could be that Infamy had a different caster, that one effed up royally and they went to Prodos to bail out the project, but this quote puts me too much in mind of Prodos's standard MO with AvP backers to extend that benefit of the doubt:

Things didn't quite go to plan at the end of last year, with my caster once again missing the promised dates for delivery of casts. So, apologies that you are still waiting on your Kickstarter goodies. I feel my hands are tied on this one, it's been a real struggle to get updates from them recently, and without a good flow of information I've been left with little more than hope and the ability to keep pestering them.

If Prodos is the only caster for that, the examples shown off are indeed quality work just like AvP models do look really good. If only Prodos could match the quality of the models they make with honesty and reality in what they say they'd be a pretty good company. Unfortunately, they do seem to like to over-promise and over-commit and be unable to keep up with what they said they would do. They're pretty much the textbook example of Hofstadter's Law.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
At what point does one consider Prodos' lack of KS sending to be fraud?

I mean there's risks inherent to any KS, because not every one is run by an experienced company, and even when they are, random stuff can happen which wrecks the whole project, or severely delays stuff.

But here, the KS seems to have worked, they're just not upholding their end of the bargain?

There never was actually a KS.

The point when they received funding, right after the pledge end date, and then pulling the project off of Kickstarter, thereby renigging on their contracting requirements.

Additionally, the point where they willfully decided to underhandedly use a third party company to start, yet more KS's, and rinse and repeat, all the while, badmouthing FOX about their "Issues", ( and I use the quotations in Dr Evil sarcasm...

YOU sir, are too generous in your appraisal of the situation.

What is the worse about it is that "PRODOS/ ARCHON STUDIOS/ whoever else they are this week" is willfully noncompliant, and in THIS country, or Australia, they would have been sued under the table for even there halfwit efforts on Warzone, but this other issue, FOX is very interested in, seeing as their name is attached to these buffoons. I am definitely going to get back in contact with them, seeing as this can be damaging to their ongoing efforts on the upcoming movies that are coming out pretty soon.


And finally, I put the KS stuff I received here up on the trades forum that needs a new home. $370.00 for the lot. I wrote off the rest of the stuff, and honestly, after the treatment of the whole project, they can go stuff it.

I'd rather just bin it, but I would like to recoup some of my loss.

Just when you think Prodos is at the top of their scumbaggery, they top it, the fethers....

But how did they take people's money if they pulled the KS?

Surely as soon as they've cashed in their pledges, it's too late to cancel the project?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
But how did they take people's money if they pulled the KS?

Surely as soon as they've cashed in their pledges, it's too late to cancel the project?

They didn't 'cancel' it. They lied to KS and had the KS pages removed due to a fake IP issue AFTER they collected the money.

Ahhh.

Still baffled that KS let them keep the funds though.

KS terms of use make it pretty clear KS is never directly responsible for any mishaps/wrong doings. KS has no mechanism in place to go after the project creator and recoup funds and distribute them to backers.

Sounds very dodgy to me - though the only one I've ever back is Bears Vs Babies, which I'm expecting some time in June/July.

Though I do know that in the U.K., the Financial Conduct Authority were consulting on crowd funding and PTP lending last year.

As might be expected of a Regulator, it's quite dry reading - but may be worth your while?

It was about a year later. The project funded in November 28th, 2013 as you can verify using Dakka's thread:
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/3180/556916.page#6296139

The first I can find mention of the page disappearing is November 24th, 2014 on BGG:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1275451/ip-dispute

So the money was likely long gone from any viable means of recovery especially as Prodos is a Polish company; their UK presence was a shell company just to be able to start a KS project (not illegal, but it muddies the waters dramatically for this issue). Whether there was really an IP dispute in that they didn't have the license to do some aspect of the project or if it was just a lie to remove public and non-Prodos controlled information from public view is likely never going to be known.

It is known. Jarek and crew initially claimed they pulled the page by accident. That was a lie they later admitted to. They then later admitted there was no IP issue either (which is what they told KS to get the page removed).

The balls.

The Imperial Guard standard-issue wheelbarrow-requiring brass balls on these guys.

Also, is it just me, or is putting 'brand new one-piece miniatures' as part of their marketing strategy for this...a little weird? I was lucky enough to finally get a box from them, and the models were almost worth all of the bs. Almost. There's a whole bunch of directions they could go, from 'the rules are playable' to 'we won't run off with your money and laugh in your stupid rube face, honest', but redesigning the miniatures seems odd.

Yeah, I see that further down in the BGG thread so I stand corrected.

Though really, calling him a liar might upset his son which I believe was an excuse Prodos used for something (though what eludes me).

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Well this is a preorder, not a Kickstarter, so... yeah.

Prodos did a 'pre-order' last year for their 'Space Crusade' game. It was meant to ship post-July 2016. They've been ignoring all attempts to contact them about it and have been almost silent on the subject for.... almost 7 months now (they released some new art this month, but still haven't commented on the actual game, from what I can tell).

So yes, if you've ordered from them... good luck.

 Vermis wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

It's a faithful representation of how female Predators are portrayed in licensed material. You may think it's sleazy, but in this instance the sleaziness has little to do with Prodos itself.

Oh sure, late 80s/90s comics: a catalogue of the best ideas and restraint.

I mean, look at the evidence here. It could definitely use bigger restraints.

Not really.

http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Big_Mama




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Snebze wrote:

 krazynadechukr wrote:
Well this is a preorder, not a Kickstarter, so... yeah.

Prodos did a 'pre-order' last year for their 'Space Crusade' game. It was meant to ship post-July 2016. They've been ignoring all attempts to contact them about it and have been almost silent on the subject for.... almost 7 months now (they released some new art this month, but still haven't commented on the actual game, from what I can tell).

So yes, if you've ordered from them... good luck.

There is no difference for Prodos. Either way, their character is gak city. All they want is your money. there also is no up close visuals on those minis, so Caveat Emptor, if you even get anything but a headache. Not just no, feck no! THAT new game looks like a hot steamy pile.... Can't WAIT to see the gunked up details...