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**ZergSmasher**

Actually any DG psyker can get Warptime if there is also a vanilla CSM detachment. You just have to spend a CP on the Spell Familiar stratagem (I think that's what it's called, don't have my book handy right now) since it only requires a HERETIC ASTARTES character, which Death Guard are.

**Jidmah**

Yeap. Bring a single character with a unit of cultists for a patrol detachment, and for 1 CP Mortarion can cast Warptime on himself.

**lindsay40k**

Or, since you’re bringing CSM anyway, just bring a Word Bearers Sorcerer, and for that 1CP give them a relic that makes them cast it at +1 and know three of the excellent DH spells, with the ability to force a cast to succeed. Death Hex really takes the uncertainty out of a duel with Guilliman or worse

Actually, AL are pretty interesting, too. That ‘make enemy vehicles explode’ Strat is a handy compliment to DG’s own kamikaze Rhinos and such

**ArcaneHorror**

So I'm going through and calculating my points for my DG army. I went to a little over 2200 points, so I had to remove so units (helbrute with fist and twin lascannons, blightspawn, putrifier, CL with power axe and meltagun, LoC with plaguereaper). I'll also be removing the Icon of Despair on one of my PM and giving him a plague knife instead. All in all, that puts me down to 1755 points. I do currently have two blightbringers because of their buffing abilities. Is this a good idea, or do I only need one? To bring back up my points, I'm thinking of putting in a bloat drone with a fleshmower as well as DS terminators to guard my warlord, a DP with double talons. Is this a good strategy?

**lare2**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
So I'm going through and calculating my points for my DG army. I went to a little over 2200 points, so I had to remove so units (helbrute with fist and twin lascannons, blightspawn, putrifier, CL with power axe and meltagun, LoC with plaguereaper). I'll also be removing the Icon of Despair on one of my PM and giving him a plague knife instead. All in all, that puts me down to 1755 points. I do currently have two blightbringers because of their buffing abilities. Is this a good idea, or do I only need one? To bring back up my points, I'm thinking of putting in a bloat drone with a fleshmower as well as DS terminators to guard my warlord, a DP with double talons. Is this a good strategy?

Hard to tell without knowing your full list but doubt you need 2 blightbringers, unless you're running lots of pox. You'd be better off bringing your blightspawn. DS termies are costly and I only really use mine when running Morty. Again, doubt you'd really need them to guard a prince who can't be targeted due to character rules. Fleshmowers are awesome but don't know if it'd fit with the army you aim to build. Any chance of more info would be great. Hope this helps.

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The icon of despair sucks. Don't bother with it.

**ArcaneHorror**

lare2 wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
So I'm going through and calculating my points for my DG army. I went to a little over 2200 points, so I had to remove so units (helbrute with fist and twin lascannons, blightspawn, putrifier, CL with power axe and meltagun, LoC with plaguereaper). I'll also be removing the Icon of Despair on one of my PM and giving him a plague knife instead. All in all, that puts me down to 1755 points. I do currently have two blightbringers because of their buffing abilities. Is this a good idea, or do I only need one? To bring back up my points, I'm thinking of putting in a bloat drone with a fleshmower as well as DS terminators to guard my warlord, a DP with double talons. Is this a good strategy?

Hard to tell without knowing your full list but doubt you need 2 blightbringers, unless you're running lots of pox. You'd be better off bringing your blightspawn. DS termies are costly and I only really use mine when running Morty. Again, doubt you'd really need them to guard a prince who can't be targeted due to character rules. Fleshmowers are awesome but don't know if it'd fit with the army you aim to build. Any chance of more info would be great. Hope this helps.

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The icon of despair sucks. Don't bother with it.

Here's my current army as it stands, in no particular order or organization. I just picked up each model and wrote down the points:

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When you say that the DP can't be targeted, do you mean by the enemy or with the special protection rules that the BL are used for? I checked the other day and the DP does have the 'character' keyword.

**shabadoit**

The Blight haulers and drone are missing the points for their wargear.

I wouldn't bring 2 plague surgeons or blightbringers though, so that would free up a lot of those points

**ArcaneHorror**

shabadoit wrote:
The Blight haulers and drone are missing the points for their wargear.

I wouldn't bring 2 plague surgeons or blightbringers though, so that would free up a lot of those points

You're right. The drone should be 141 and the haulers should be 110. This brings the points up to 1885. Removing a surgeon and blightbringer reduces it back down to 1781. I was thinking of putting in a rhino which would bring me to 1864. I do have a bunch of cultists and poxwalkers, do you think that I should add some of those?

**shabadoit**

The haulers should be 117 (75+22+20) and the drone is 158 (unfortunately you have to pay for the plague probe). Battlescribe does all that for you

Not sure what point total you're going for - 2k? Honestly I'd just try to play some games and find the units that you like then build around them, although that isn't going to be super competitive obviously

**ArcaneHorror**

Thanks. I actually forgot to factor in both plaguespitters and calculated only one, while for the haulers, I calculated in a combi-melta, not a multi-melta. I am trying to go for a 2k army at the moment. Right now, I'm at 2011 points which obviously goes over. If I got rid of the rhino, I could put in a unit of poxwalkers and stay under 2k, but the rhino strikes me as a good way to transport my melee-oriented PM. I don't want to get rid of any of my PM as I've gone through alot of work to make each one unique in its design. I'm also up in the air about keeping the blightspawn, as I'm not sure about its effectiveness in the heat of battle, but I do love the model and some of its abilities. Here is my too-large army as it stands now:

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**Sherrypie**

Blightspawns are hands down one of our nastier units, easy to hide and capable of melting armour and other characters quite easily. Wouldn't start shaving stuff off from there.

**lare2**

ArcaneHorror wrote:
Thanks. I actually forgot to factor in both plaguespitters and calculated only one, while for the haulers, I calculated in a combi-melta, not a multi-melta. I am trying to go for a 2k army at the moment. Right now, I'm at 2011 points which obviously goes over. If I got rid of the rhino, I could put in a unit of poxwalkers and stay under 2k, but the rhino strikes me as a good way to transport my melee-oriented PM. I don't want to get rid of any of my PM as I've gone through alot of work to make each one unique in its design. I'm also up in the air about keeping the blightspawn, as I'm not sure about its effectiveness in the heat of battle, but I do love the model and some of its abilities. Here is my too-large army as it stands

Points: 2011[/spoiler]

Love marines. Great fun to play with.

From this list I'd probably cut the Lord of Contagion or maybe the surgeon. The surgeon will work with your melee though. The Lord, although an awesome model, really isn't the best. In my xp, he deepstrikes, fails the charge, and then dies.

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You got a cheap chaos lord you can swap in for the Lord of Contagion?

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Or a sorcerer?

**ArcaneHorror**

lare2 wrote:
ArcaneHorror wrote:
Thanks. I actually forgot to factor in both plaguespitters and calculated only one, while for the haulers, I calculated in a combi-melta, not a multi-melta. I am trying to go for a 2k army at the moment. Right now, I'm at 2011 points which obviously goes over. If I got rid of the rhino, I could put in a unit of poxwalkers and stay under 2k, but the rhino strikes me as a good way to transport my melee-oriented PM. I don't want to get rid of any of my PM as I've gone through alot of work to make each one unique in its design. I'm also up in the air about keeping the blightspawn, as I'm not sure about its effectiveness in the heat of battle, but I do love the model and some of its abilities. Here is my too-large army as it stands

Points: 2011[/spoiler]

Love marines. Great fun to play with.

From this list I'd probably cut the Lord of Contagion or maybe the surgeon. The surgeon will work with your melee though. The Lord, although an awesome model, really isn't the best. In my xp, he deepstrikes, fails the charge, and then dies.

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You got a cheap chaos lord you can swap in for the Lord of Contagion?

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Or a sorcerer?

I do have an aspiring champion model that could work well as a lord with a power axe and meltagun. If I replaced the LoC with this, then I would be down to 1992 points.

**lare2**

That'll work a treat

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Lords are worth their weight just for the reroll.

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The list you've now got, I reckon you should give it a go. You'll then start to realise which units you like and how you prefer to run our foetid throng.

**ArcaneHorror**

Can only champions play with two plague knives and a plasma gun, or can you have one regular PM do that as well?

**lare2**

Anyone managed to find any info on new points? I see Deathshroud are cheaper.

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Down to 25pts. Love that.

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Daemon prince as well dropping 15. Unexpected but will take it.

**kaiseric**

I put my hope in CA 2019 for blight hauler cost reduction and other unuse units, do you think this CA will include new datasheet (in case of change unit ability) ?

PS. any of you have a link or a guide about how to play 10 blightlord ? i know which wargear they will equip but don't know how to play them like when to deploy and what do we need them to do after deploy.

**Niiru**

lare2 wrote:
Anyone managed to find any info on new points? I see Deathshroud are cheaper.

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Down to 25pts. Love that.

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Daemon prince as well dropping 15. Unexpected but will take it.

Down to 25 not including the 17-point scythe. You may have realised that, but others reading your post might have thought they were actually going to be 25 point deathshrouds lol. Which would be awesome, but unlikely :p

**Castozor**

kaiseric wrote:
I put my hope in CA 2019 for blight hauler cost reduction and other unuse units, do you think this CA will include new datasheet (in case of change unit ability) ?

PS. any of you have a link or a guide about how to play 10 blightlord ? i know which wargear they will equip but don't know how to play them like when to deploy and what do we need them to do after deploy.

I personally haven´t played a game with them yet, but I did find this guide yesterday:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcAHIYHuvHo

If I recall correctly that man posts here too, so maybe he can give some more in depth responses too.

**lare2**

Niiru wrote:
lare2 wrote:
Anyone managed to find any info on new points? I see Deathshroud are cheaper.

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Down to 25pts. Love that.

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Daemon prince as well dropping 15. Unexpected but will take it.

Down to 25 not including the 17-point scythe. You may have realised that, but others reading your post might have thought they were actually going to be 25 point deathshrouds lol. Which would be awesome, but unlikely :p

Nice one. Cheers for giving further clarity. Gonna have to definitely dust mine off.

**NurglesR0T**

Niiru wrote:
lare2 wrote:
Anyone managed to find any info on new points? I see Deathshroud are cheaper.

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Down to 25pts. Love that.

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Daemon prince as well dropping 15. Unexpected but will take it.

Down to 25 not including the 17-point scythe. You may have realised that, but others reading your post might have thought they were actually going to be 25 point deathshrouds lol. Which would be awesome, but unlikely :p

25ppm after wargear.. I wish! haha

Still, a 30 point reduction for the unit makes them somewhat less of dud points but you're still better off just taking Blightlords instead. If only Deathshroud had a better delivery system or to keep pace with the characters they're supposed to be protecting.

**ArcaneHorror**

I really hope the rumor about the PM being raised in points is not true. They already are more expensive than most other troop-level Marines, and the Death Guard as a whole already seems to be falling behind due to the buffs other armies are getting.

**NurglesR0T**

If that rumor pans out to be true then they should also go up to 2 wounds. I'm happy for them to be Intercessor priced if it means same stats with DR and plague goodies on top

**ArcaneHorror**

That would somewhat makeup for it, definitely. Also, do the DP points drops apply to Death Guard princes?

**NurglesR0T**

At this stage we don't know. It might apply to all DP's across each book or just the CSM one.

Our DG princes are still very good for the current cost so if it doesn't apply to them I'm ok with that.

**Jidmah**

NurglesR0T wrote:25ppm after wargear.. I wish! haha

Still, a 30 point reduction for the unit makes them somewhat less of dud points but you're still better off just taking Blightlords instead. If only Deathshroud had a better delivery system or to keep pace with the characters they're supposed to be protecting.

If the landraider wouldn't suck as much as it does, a scythe bus with Deathshrouds and Typhus could be pretty awesome, he is a monster in combat with six attacks. Maybe thrown in foul blightspawn and/or tallyman for flamer action and re-rolls.

NurglesR0T wrote:If that rumor pans out to be true then they should also go up to 2 wounds. I'm happy for them to be Intercessor priced if it means same stats with DR and plague goodies on top

The rumors surrounding this have been confirmed to be false by a reliable source of previous rumors.

**Nightlord1987**

The DP of Nurgle, and Tzeentch are better than Chaos Daemon Prince CSM, but the CD Daemon ones can get DR also, so you would have to make different points for all of them, and then they wouldn't be Rule of 3 anymore exactly...

**NurglesR0T**

Jidmah wrote:

NurglesR0T wrote:If that rumor pans out to be true then they should also go up to 2 wounds. I'm happy for them to be Intercessor priced if it means same stats with DR and plague goodies on top

The rumors surrounding this have been confirmed to be false by a reliable source of previous rumors.

Thought as much - it sounded really far fetched to begin with

**Nithaniel**

Typhus down 20pts and poxwalkers down 2 pts.

**Nightlord1987**

4 pt Poxwalkers and 8 pt Plaguebearers seems nice to me... considering I have only 10 PBs and over 80 walkers.

Wish the Predators went down more points, Wardogs still outclass them by miles.