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Honestly if they make more to this I would enjoy such an idea.

But for me the biggest draw is playing people without needing a million things to start it up. One box of troops and you're good to go is a big selling point to get people to start 40k.

 Verviedi wrote:
Because nobody accepts homebrew units or rules. I shouldn't have to negotiate and plead to use something that should be in the game to begin with.

That's kind of odd. In the group I'm playing with, we've already added a bunch of units for the factions we've already seen. This isn't base 40k, where you're going to be playing lots of pickup games with strangers, it's a campaign-style Necromunda/Killteam game. The most popular rules for Killteam are already ENTIRELY homebrew.

The biggest lingering question I have is Special Operatives: Where are their points costs? How do you build them into your gang, and how many can you have? Obviously a Scourge is not going to be anywhere near as powerful as a Haemonculus or Succubus, so I'm assuming they have costs...

Also, if we're looking at the stuff they're adding - the wych rules do seem to have rules for all the equipment that comes in the box but doesn't have rules. Special pistol ammo, poisoned knives, mirrormask, chain flail, all that stuff doesn't have rules in basic 40k.

Anybody know what the ork list is like?

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
Anybody know what the ork list is like?

We've seen their equipment in the quick reference. Looks like Ork boyz, gretchins, Nob leader, and Mek, Flash Git, and maybe Runtherd as specialists? Grabba stikk and squig hound are in there.

If your group allows for homebrew units, there's rules enough to put in almost all basic boyz and nobz based special ork units in.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Because nobody accepts homebrew units or rules. I shouldn't have to negotiate and plead to use something that should be in the game to begin with.

That's kind of odd. In the group I'm playing with, we've already added a bunch of units for the factions we've already seen. This isn't base 40k, where you're going to be playing lots of pickup games with strangers, it's a campaign-style Necromunda/Killteam game. The most popular rules for Killteam are already ENTIRELY homebrew.

The biggest lingering question I have is Special Operatives: Where are their points costs? How do you build them into your gang, and how many can you have? Obviously a Scourge is not going to be anywhere near as powerful as a Haemonculus or Succubus, so I'm assuming they have costs...

Also, if we're looking at the stuff they're adding - the wych rules do seem to have rules for all the equipment that comes in the box but doesn't have rules. Special pistol ammo, poisoned knives, mirrormask, chain flail, all that stuff doesn't have rules in basic 40k.

Well done, GW. For including rules for everything that already comes in the same kit as the unit in the first place.

Alas, in my local area, we'll probably have a single officially sponsored Shadow War League at the local GW, and maybe some store-official leagues at the independents. Meaning either no homebrew at all or lots of begging. Kan? If I summoned you, any word on that?

 Verviedi wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Because nobody accepts homebrew units or rules. I shouldn't have to negotiate and plead to use something that should be in the game to begin with.

That's kind of odd. In the group I'm playing with, we've already added a bunch of units for the factions we've already seen. This isn't base 40k, where you're going to be playing lots of pickup games with strangers, it's a campaign-style Necromunda/Killteam game. The most popular rules for Killteam are already ENTIRELY homebrew.

The biggest lingering question I have is Special Operatives: Where are their points costs? How do you build them into your gang, and how many can you have? Obviously a Scourge is not going to be anywhere near as powerful as a Haemonculus or Succubus, so I'm assuming they have costs...

Also, if we're looking at the stuff they're adding - the wych rules do seem to have rules for all the equipment that comes in the box but doesn't have rules. Special pistol ammo, poisoned knives, mirrormask, chain flail, all that stuff doesn't have rules in basic 40k.

Well done, GW. For including rules for everything that already comes in the same kit as the unit in the first place.

Alas, in my local area, we'll probably have a single officially sponsored Shadow War League at the local GW, and maybe some store-official leagues at the independents. Meaning either no homebrew at all or lots of begging. Kan? If I summoned you, any word on that?

I do think it worth mentioning that there is supposed to actually be a kit for independent shops relating to leagues or something like that...so a lot of the issues might be addressed there.

Also, homebrew happens a bit in stuff related to our local GW. AoS we had to wing it with point values for some stuff that didn't get points or Allegiance Abilities etc for those that didn't get them either.

The league kit contains:

1x window poster
1x leader board poster
5x rules summary sheets
6x scenario sheets
12x certificates
2x sets of dice
100x Stickers
1x Shadow War Armageddon rulebook
10x faction sheets
100x roster sheets
20x gaming token sets
20x wristbands
5x sets of kill team cards
1x store managers guide

Bands a make her dance. Bands a make her dance

Sweet, thanks guys. I'd post some sort of rubbing-hands-together "excellent" gif, but I'm utterly exhausted.

stewe128 wrote:
Bands a make her dance. Bands a make her dance

I have no brain and I must think.

 Verviedi wrote:
Sweet, thanks guys. I'd post some sort of rubbing-hands-together "excellent" gif, but I'm utterly exhausted.

stewe128 wrote:
Bands a make her dance. Bands a make her dance

I have no brain and I must think.

From a song from the younger generation, but the scenarios seem pretty sweet. My FLGS will probably need to invest in some terrain for this game, but it will definitely pave the road for what's to come. Praying it'll be fun

 BrookM wrote:
The league kit contains:

1x window poster
1x leader board poster
5x rules summary sheets
6x scenario sheets
12x certificates
2x sets of dice
100x Stickers
1x Shadow War Armageddon rulebook
10x faction sheets
100x roster sheets
20x gaming token sets
20x wristbands
5x sets of kill team cards
1x store managers guide

I might get stickers if I play in a league? Sign me up.

Not sure if anyone has posted these but I was at my FLGS and they had the rule book. I was so excited when I saw these scouts and thought they would be in the box! Sadly they do not seem to be and if its a conversion its pretty amazing they did perfect job on all 5 scouts. It is strange if they're conversions that pics of the scouts with respirators are all over the book and other materials.

That's a head from the Biker Scout box, if I remember right.

Never had a reason to get Scout Bikers.

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's a head from the Biker Scout box, if I remember right.

Never had a reason to get Scout Bikers.

no its not it is very different.


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 gainsay wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
That's a head from the Biker Scout box, if I remember right.

Never had a reason to get Scout Bikers.

no its not it is very different.

Maybe they took that head chopped the other heads and put them together?

They could also have just thrown the goggles on over top of the head.

 Kanluwen wrote:
They could also have just thrown the goggles on over top of the head.

look closely man they're pretty different even if you put the goggle heads on them.

Is it not a Tempestus Scion's noggin?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it not a Tempestus Scion's noggin?

Nope. No hair on any Scions that isn't covered by a beret or helmet.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Is it not a Tempestus Scion's noggin?

Nope. No hair on any Scions that isn't covered by a beret or helmet.

This^
All scions either have a full helmet or a beret.

Man, I have not been so excited about 40k for years. I really hope they put out a whole book of lists. It would be tough for me not to just buy a kit to make every one of them. Just picked up Skitarii and GS cultists specifcially for this after resisting them both for a while.

Could it be random surprise updated scout kit?
If not, that is a beautiful conversion.

 Verviedi wrote:
Could it be random surprise updated scout kit?
If not, that is a beautiful conversion.

If it were an updated Scout kit, they'd be flagging it as such in WD.

Also--I think it's just a staff member's army. I remember seeing those back when the Scouts first got updated. Guy had a gorgeous Blood Raven army with all of his Scouts done up like that for Cities of Death.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Could it be random surprise updated scout kit?
If not, that is a beautiful conversion.

If it were an updated Scout kit, they'd be flagging it as such in WD.

Also--I think it's just a staff member's army. I remember seeing those back when the Scouts first got updated. Guy had a gorgeous Blood Raven army with all of his Scouts done up like that for Cities of Death.

Surprise sprue in the SWA box?

 silent25 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Could it be random surprise updated scout kit?
If not, that is a beautiful conversion.

If it were an updated Scout kit, they'd be flagging it as such in WD.

Also--I think it's just a staff member's army. I remember seeing those back when the Scouts first got updated. Guy had a gorgeous Blood Raven army with all of his Scouts done up like that for Cities of Death.

Surprise sprue in the SWA box?

Still would have mentioned it in the product info, if only as a selling point.

Well, kudos to that staff member for making excellent conversions. I want his skills.

Theyre Darren Lathams conversions done years ago

 Verviedi wrote:
Could it be random surprise updated scout kit?
If not, that is a beautiful conversion.

they are so perfect looks molded. Maybe the scouts in the new box will have that head option becuase thats the same head on all 5 scouts. I agree they would be flaunting it but maybe not if it is just one or two new heads.

is anything else on the page a conversion?

seems out of character for GW to "advertise" conversions without specifically calling them out as conversions

 gainsay wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
Could it be random surprise updated scout kit?
If not, that is a beautiful conversion.

they are so perfect looks molded. Maybe the scouts in the new box will have that head option becuase thats the same head on all 5 scouts. I agree they would be flaunting it but maybe not if it is just one or two new heads.

They flaunted it with the Genestealer Cult upgrade sprue and the Deathwatch upgrade sprue.

They're converted. You can't see the sides in those photos, but in the actual photos from WD ages ago you could see that he did a slight bit of GS work to make the straps fit.

Manchu wrote:
is anything else on the page a conversion?

seems out of character for GW to "advertise" conversions without specifically calling them out as conversions

Personally, I love this OOC trip.