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2017/04/05 20:32:11
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Will we also be getting a BOOM! for the community post and a BOOOOOOM! for the latest Regimental Standard as well? Nothing is quite as nice as regurgitating news thats been out for a while now.
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2017/04/05 20:33:10
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
kodos wrote: at least I don't see a reason to stick with 40k except that there are no Titans available
Shadow War is an ultra small fig count skirmish game that completely excludes vehicles (and even many infantry options, for that matter). It is in no way a replacement for a battle game like 40k.
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Sabotage! wrote: My local store allocated had four people sign up for preorders before Saturday (and unfortunately they are only getting 4 copies, not the 12 they asked for), and GW online sold out before I was able to to send payment at 1005 AM. So I've been doing a bit of hunting.
This is worrisome indeed.
My local store ordered ten boxes, here's hoping he's getting at least six or so then, otherwise there may be a scrum to get it first amongst those who pre-ordered.
I hope your store is getting all of the copies they ordered, it might just be a problem with my store's distributor on the West Coast of the US. While my store is somewhat big (probably 2nd largest in the metro area, barring stores that only do MTG), it is an independent store rather than a GW, so I imagine GW stores are more likely to get the amount of copies they requested.
2017/04/05 20:43:55
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Sabotage! wrote: My local store allocated had four people sign up for preorders before Saturday (and unfortunately they are only getting 4 copies, not the 12 they asked for), and GW online sold out before I was able to to send payment at 1005 AM. So I've been doing a bit of hunting.
This is worrisome indeed.
My local store ordered ten boxes, here's hoping he's getting at least six or so then, otherwise there may be a scrum to get it first amongst those who pre-ordered.
I hope your store is getting all of the copies they ordered, it might just be a problem with my store's distributor on the West Coast of the US. While my store is somewhat big (probably 2nd largest in the metro area, barring stores that only do MTG), it is an independent store rather than a GW, so I imagine GW stores are more likely to get the amount of copies they requested.
I fear the worst as this is also an independent stockist (competing with two other independents and an official GW store, all located within 200 meters of one another) and whoever GW assigned to this store as the contact for fulfilling its orders is a fething idiot.
"We want three copies of codex: Crimson Slaughter, but instead we got three batches of Carroburg Crimson."
An ongoing saga right now is getting the novel Kingsblade, but this idiot either keeps forgetting to add it to the order orrrrrrr in case of the first time around sent the store an Imperial Knight kit, close enough right! What the feth..?
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2017/04/05 20:47:31
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
kodos wrote: at least I don't see a reason to stick with 40k except that there are no Titans available
Shadow War is an ultra small fig count skirmish game that completely excludes vehicles (and even many infantry options, for that matter). It is in no way a replacement for a battle game like 40k.
of course it cannot replace Apocalypse battle games like 40k but there is no reason to use 40k as tournament game except for Apo-games are coll and there is nothing else available from GW.
and scaling down 40k to 1000 points for tournaments seem not an option because all just want to get bigger
so this would be the best chance to switch to something better suited for tournaments
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2017/04/05 20:48:20
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
That sounds awful BrookM - my very limited experience dealing indirectly with GW distro through a LGS was 100% satisfactory. Store manager explained that GW rep was on the ball. At that point, it was one of the few things we could say nice about GW.
Tamwulf wrote: Rules to become available online, more factions added, and all the terrain will be available separately. Looks like GW is serious about supporting the players again!
Posts like this are annoying because they miss basic information:
1. They never said the rules would be available online.
2. They're looking into doing new factions. I'm looking into rocket science, but it doesn't mean I'm going to get there.
3. The terrain was always going to come out separately. We've known that since the start.
This isn't a case of GW being "serious about supporting the players". This is GW making some vague promises to do something in the future with the rules, and spruiking their plastic terrain release which was already set to happen a week from now.
kodos wrote: but there is no reason to use 40k as tournament game except for Apo-games
Sorry but I honestly don't understand this point. Shadow War is operates on a per figure basis. There are no vehicles. There are very few infantry choices. The game is meant to be played in a campaign over several sessions. None of this adds up to any size game of 40k, a game that uses units, has vehicles, and is played on a one-off/pick-up basis.
kodos wrote: do you guys think this game can be the next big tournament game?
I mean the rules are a lot better than the current 40k, games are smaller and faster and a 2 day campaign is possible.
also no big teams which means it is easier to adept to local meta (regarding the used terrain etc) and it gives much more possibility for modelling/convert stuff
at least I don't see a reason to stick with 40k except that there are no Titans available
boom?
this pdf is available since the box get into pre-order and the new box collections were put on the HP, and it is missing the teams from the box
so you still need the box game if you want to play Orks for now
Poor guy, he's completely humiliating himself in his rush to defend GW
lost and damned log
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/519978.page#6525039
2017/04/05 20:52:41
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
H.B.M.C. wrote: This isn't a case of GW being "serious about supporting the players". This is GW making some vague promises to do something in the future with the rules
I don't think that is the correct dichotomy. I think it is more like, "GW being serious about making more money from Shadow War" versus "GW will drop Shadow War and just wants to tout the terrain kits."
We've also known from the start that WH stores and LGSes would have some copies - but GW clarified that stuff? WHY?? WHY WOULD THEY TELL US WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW? Well, they are actually probably not only or even mostly talking to us so much as people who are a bit less plugged in, like Timmy's mom or even adult 40k fans who don't spend tons of time on this upstanding forum.
BrookM wrote: All I know is, if that book isn't present this Friday I'm writing their customer services a friendly mail asking for an explanation.
I think that is a good approach. Any suspicion that it might be your LGS blaming GW? I have run into this in the past.
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Manchu wrote: That sounds awful BrookM - my very limited experience dealing indirectly with GW distro through a LGS was 100% satisfactory. Store manager explained that GW rep was on the ball. At that point, it was one of the few things we could say nice about GW.
There's the difference between have a GW trade account, and getting GW stuff through a distributor. Seems like that store is the latter.
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2017/04/05 20:57:54
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
This is still a colossal feth up, and the fact that I can walk into a GW store and have a decent chance of not being able to buy a game they hyped to all hell and back on the day it comes out is just shocking.
judgedoug wrote: There's the difference between have a GW trade account, and getting GW stuff through a distributor. Seems like that store is the latter.
Excellent point. Distributor feths up - somehow GW blamed? LOL
kodos wrote: but there is no reason to use 40k as tournament game except for Apo-games
Sorry but I honestly don't understand this point. Shadow War is operates on a per figure basis. There are no vehicles. There are very few infantry choices. The game is meant to be played in a campaign over several sessions. None of this adds up to any size game of 40k, a game that uses units, has vehicles, and is played on a one-off/pick-up basis.
I think you don't get my point
otherwise you just say that Shadow War is not suited to replace 40k for tournaments/organised play because it don't use vehicles or units and is meant to be played in sessions (that are usual for tournaments)?
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2017/04/05 21:01:40
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
H.B.M.C. wrote: the fact that I can walk into a GW store and have a decent chance of not being able to buy a game they hyped to all hell and back on the day it comes out is just shocking.
Yeah it absolutely sucks and needs to be fixed ASAP. In Kirby's day, we could just assume it wouldn't be - and be right. In Rountree's day, we have (a) a venue to speak to GW together, (b) a venue for them to respond, and (c) they are actually responding!
BrookM wrote: As far as I can remember, nope! Not on the poster showing off the terrain kits either.
It might be a possibility that those are a bit's sprue that comes with the set. I saw the promethium tank thing the pipes, and the walkway sets. THAT crane loo like a smaller add on.
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2017/04/05 21:16:53
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
I've been checking the sprue shots for a while now, but can't find any of the parts used in the crane on there.
Automatically Appended Next Post: BOOOOOOOM! Nice big pics of the terrain sprues, for those who haven't seen them yet by the way. Who knows, maybe someone else can pore over these and discover the parts used for the crane?
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2017/04/05 21:25:31
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
I'm betting they will make the rules available on digital format for a small fee.
Spoiler:
krazynadechukr wrote: Exactly. Buy a scout box & an ork box. The rules will come out on their own (either officially or not so officially ) later, or in the next rulebook. The terrain will be sold (remember the Tau wall that was lmtd edition too?) separately in several months....
*Two Scout boxes, one regular, the other with sniper rifles.
Also the terrain was never meatn to be limited, only the boxed game with discounts. WD clearly shows that the scenery will come along this two months.
Tamwulf wrote: Rules to become available online, more factions added, and all the terrain will be available separately. Looks like GW is serious about supporting the players again!
1.- They never said so, only that they will be more widely available.
2.- I'm more interesed in more operatives. I want to play with Fire Warriors so much.
3.- They said that SINCE DAY 1, I'm still surprised that many people have seemed to be unaware of that, even when that was confirmed at AdeptiCon and WD.
Melissia wrote: Okay, that's marginally less dumb of them. Still dumb that they got in to this situation in the first place, though.
That's dumb, but not as dumb as people ignoring that the scenery would be released individually later on (yes, that bugs me too much).
NobodyXY wrote: Canadians looking for a copy should check meeplemart, they seem to have a good amount currently for pre-order.
Awesome that more gangs are in. Hoping we get a softback or hardback.
I'm confused, are you talking about Necromunda (gangs) os Shadow War (nto gangs)?
2017/04/05 21:25:31
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Yeah it absolutely sucks and needs to be fixed ASAP. In Kirby's day, we could just assume it wouldn't be - and be right. In Rountree's day, we have (a) a venue to speak to GW together, (b) a venue for them to respond, and (c) they are actually responding!
What I have seen now is that SW:A is balanced up to a point, fast and tactical (and it needs player skills more than luck with cards).
and because of the small model count it is not a problem to have several different teams at home or collect enough from one team to have all options availabe (compared to 40k were it is now impossible or very expensive to keep up with tournament meta)
Also the campaign rules allow mini campaigns that can be done tournament like in 2 days with a winner (compared to old Necromunda)
So what is the reason to wait and hope that 40k get the fixed in a way to become a game that can be used for tournaments again (which would either need it to scale down or become a unit level game and I see neither coming) instead of just using SW:A instead just for organised play
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2017/04/05 21:31:33
Subject: Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Yeah it absolutely sucks and needs to be fixed ASAP. In Kirby's day, we could just assume it wouldn't be - and be right. In Rountree's day, we have (a) a venue to speak to GW together, (b) a venue for them to respond, and (c) they are actually responding!
What I have seen now is that SW:A is balanced up to a point, fast and tactical (and it needs player skills more than luck with cards).
and because of the small model count it is not a problem to have several different teams at home or collect enough from one team to have all options availabe (compared to 40k were it is now impossible or very expensive to keep up with tournament meta)
Also the campaign rules allow mini campaigns that can be done tournament like in 2 days with a winner (compared to old Necromunda)
So what is the reason to wait and hope that 40k get the fixed in a way to become a game that can be used for tournaments again (which would either need it to scale down or become a unit level game and I see neither coming) instead of just using SW:A instead just for organised play
Who on Earth said it was hoping to be balanced? Let's not ruin it by talking about tournaments.
It's good for a campaign. Have fun with it, do cool stuff. It's not a tournament game.
2017/04/05 21:38:20
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
Sabotage! wrote: My local store allocated had four people sign up for preorders before Saturday (and unfortunately they are only getting 4 copies, not the 12 they asked for), and GW online sold out before I was able to to send payment at 1005 AM. So I've been doing a bit of hunting.
This is worrisome indeed.
My local store ordered ten boxes, here's hoping he's getting at least six or so then, otherwise there may be a scrum to get it first amongst those who pre-ordered.
I hope your store is getting all of the copies they ordered, it might just be a problem with my store's distributor on the West Coast of the US. While my store is somewhat big (probably 2nd largest in the metro area, barring stores that only do MTG), it is an independent store rather than a GW, so I imagine GW stores are more likely to get the amount of copies they requested.
I fear the worst as this is also an independent stockist (competing with two other independents and an official GW store, all located within 200 meters of one another) and whoever GW assigned to this store as the contact for fulfilling its orders is a fething idiot.
"We want three copies of codex: Crimson Slaughter, but instead we got three batches of Carroburg Crimson."
An ongoing saga right now is getting the novel Kingsblade, but this idiot either keeps forgetting to add it to the order orrrrrrr in case of the first time around sent the store an Imperial Knight kit, close enough right! What the feth..?
Ugh, that sucks Brook. I'm putting out good vibes for you on getting a copy! And hopefully GW will change out the person who deals with your store!
2017/04/05 21:40:28
Subject: Re:Games Workshop - Shadow War Armageddon - sold out already (pg 62)
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) later, or in the next rulebook. The terrain will be sold (remember the Tau wall that was lmtd edition too?) separately in several months.... 
Nathan
