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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I feel something strange and unfamiliar in my heart.

Is this... hope?

Or should I have passed on ordering the Mile High Nachos?

Easy to confuse the two!

I have to say I'm impressed with this response; I was resigned to just having a digital copy of the basic rules, but the option for hard copy with all teams included is way more than I was expecting. I wouldn't be surprised if they get some sales for that from people who actually managed to get a copy anyway.

Good job GW.

 Azreal13 wrote:
People looking for inspiration (or just direct ports) may be well served seeking out a copy of this in eBay (or just the 2nd Ed Codex for their faction.)

May need tweaking for fairness, but will be a big source of info.

Great idea, but make sure you get the army lists B&W booklet that came with Codex Imperialis. Points values, wargear options, etc are all in the booklet.

WIthout the booklet, Imperials is nice for ideas, but with it, you can pretty much just drop them right into your game.

 Jambles wrote:

 Talizvar wrote:

I love how you can field a terminator and he gets a 3+ save.... using 2d6.

Between that and his resistance to pinning, terminators are unstoppable in this game... it's wicked! They can actually just walk through waves of enemy fire, straight out of the books.

Doesn't he also get a 5+ invul?

I like how they also have the Bounty special rule - killing one is worth a Prometheum cache by itself!

I've been thinking and I think these rules could make a good combat system for an RPG (well a simple one for people who can't be bothered learning Only War). Just give everybody 250 points to make their character and bolt on charisma, intelligence and some other things.

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I've been thinking and I think these rules could make a good combat system for an RPG (well a simple one for people who can't be bothered learning Only War). Just give everybody 250 points to make their character and bolt on charisma, intelligence and some other things.

it'd be good for a Hero Quest kinda board game, but not an RPG.

 axisofentropy wrote:

 NivlacSupreme wrote:
I've been thinking and I think these rules could make a good combat system for an RPG (well a simple one for people who can't be bothered learning Only War). Just give everybody 250 points to make their character and bolt on charisma, intelligence and some other things.

it'd be good for a Hero Quest kinda board game, but not an RPG.

It wouldn't be particularly complex. Probably just 2 tables to roll on to give the impression of it being a game.

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

I've not seen this. Anybody got a link for those of us who didn't preorder weren't able to obtain a local copy?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

I've not seen this. Anybody got a link for those of us who didn't preorder weren't able to obtain a local copy?

It wasn't "announced", but rather various GW reps/social media accounts were talking about the digital team "looking into solutions--hopefully digital copies could be made available in as short as a week".

Around Saturday evening/Sunday morning--they removed those statements and replaced it with a vague "Keep an eye out and we'll do our best to ensure keeping everyone well-informed as to what we're going to do" kind of statement.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

I've not seen this. Anybody got a link for those of us who didn't preorder weren't able to obtain a local copy?

I believe it was on Facebook and was removed.

So, does anyone have any ideas how to give points to Eldar wraith guard for an iyanden list?

I'm thinking they need to be at least 200-250pts after gun upgrade.

Of course. I don't know why I get my hopes up.

Thanks, guys.

 Ghaz wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

I've not seen this. Anybody got a link for those of us who didn't preorder weren't able to obtain a local copy?

I believe it was on Facebook and was removed.

The book will be available to pre-order on Saturday the 22nd of April.

We’re also making a digital edition of this new book, giving you yet another choice on how to get your copy, which will also be available to pre-order that same weekend.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

 Jambles wrote:
This was definitely an oversight. It's set on Armageddon for Pete's sake! .

... after the Templars have left, along with Yarrick, chasing Ghazgkull.

Manchu wrote:
For anyone just tuning in, here's the latest:

- GW will print the softcover rulebook for Shadow War: Armageddon
- pre-orders willbegin April 22
- the pre-order period will be longer than the usual 7 days
- this printing will include all of the lists released via PDF
- this printing will also include lists for Adeptus Sororitas and Inquisition
- the Sisters and Inq lists will also be available via WD
- they will also be available as FREE downloads
- if you have the box set rulebook you will not miss anything by not getting this rulebook
- the second runrulebook will also include a photocopyable page of counters
- a digital version of the rules will also be available on April 22

- MSRP is not known
- whether this will be a limited release is not known

So yes - digital rulebook will be available April 22. Plus - page count confirmed at 200.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

I've not seen this. Anybody got a link for those of us who didn't preorder weren't able to obtain a local copy?

I believe it was on Facebook and was removed.

The book will be available to pre-order on Saturday the 22nd of April.

We’re also making a digital edition of this new book, giving you yet another choice on how to get your copy, which will also be available to pre-order that same weekend.

Spoiler:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Except that is not what he was asking about as it was not announced the same night that it sold out.

I'm just baffled at the price disparity going on here..

Box:
7 sprue of terrain
2 kill teams
Rule book
£80

So let's say I want to get in on the action without the box... we'll be very generous and assume the separate rule book will be £25 (like recent AoS battletomes).

3 terrain boxes (8 sprues of terrain)
Rule book
£130

£130, at best!!! For the same contents (the missing kill teams, tokens etc easily cancel out the extra terrain sprue). What. The. Feth. What the actual feth! There just no way I'm paying £50 extra for the same contents. At least create a bundle so we can get the terrain for the same price as those lucky few who managed to get a box.

I wouldn't expect it to be anywhere near Battletome priced.

Have you seen the book in person? It's about the size of some of the painting guides.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
They can take lasguns and laspistols, neither of which are in the Neophyte kit.

I even put links to the kit with the Lasguns in my post. C'mon man...

Sorry, I was on mobile and didn't notice those links.

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm just baffled at the price disparity going on here..

Box:
7 sprue of terrain
2 kill teams
Rule book
£80

So let's say I want to get in on the action without the box... we'll be very generous and assume the separate rule book will be £25 (like recent AoS battletomes).

3 terrain boxes (8 sprues of terrain)
Rule book
£130

£130, at best!!! For the same contents (the missing kill teams, tokens etc easily cancel out the extra terrain sprue). What. The. Feth. What the actual feth! There just no way I'm paying £50 extra for the same contents. At least create a bundle so we can get the terrain for the same price as those lucky few who managed to get a box.

At least the terrain will be available to get with online discounts. There were not many sellers offering copies of Shadow War at less than retail.

When you factor in a 25%-30% online discount, the set of 3 terrain pieces is about retail cost of the Shadow War box. Definitely not ideal, but not quite as drastic of a price disparity when factoring in an online discount.

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm just baffled at the price disparity going on here..

Box:
7 sprue of terrain
2 kill teams
Rule book
£80

So let's say I want to get in on the action without the box... we'll be very generous and assume the separate rule book will be £25 (like recent AoS battletomes).

3 terrain boxes (8 sprues of terrain)
Rule book
£130

£130, at best!!! For the same contents (the missing kill teams, tokens etc easily cancel out the extra terrain sprue). What. The. Feth. What the actual feth! There just no way I'm paying £50 extra for the same contents. At least create a bundle so we can get the terrain for the same price as those lucky few who managed to get a box.

I see your point, but ... limited bundles are that, limited bundles... I cry for having lost some of the Christmas Boxes for Age of Sigmar, for example, but isn't reasonable to just think that I'm entitled to have things at a discount.

 Starfarer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
They can take lasguns and laspistols, neither of which are in the Neophyte kit.

I even put links to the kit with the Lasguns in my post. C'mon man...

Sorry, I was on mobile and didn't notice those links.

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm just baffled at the price disparity going on here..

Box:
7 sprue of terrain
2 kill teams
Rule book
£80

So let's say I want to get in on the action without the box... we'll be very generous and assume the separate rule book will be £25 (like recent AoS battletomes).

3 terrain boxes (8 sprues of terrain)
Rule book
£130

£130, at best!!! For the same contents (the missing kill teams, tokens etc easily cancel out the extra terrain sprue). What. The. Feth. What the actual feth! There just no way I'm paying £50 extra for the same contents. At least create a bundle so we can get the terrain for the same price as those lucky few who managed to get a box.

At least the terrain will be available to get with online discounts. There were not many sellers offering copies of Shadow War at less than retail.

When you factor in a 25%-30% online discount, the set of 3 terrain pieces is about retail cost of the Shadow War box. Definitely not ideal, but not quite as drastic of a price disparity when factoring in an online discount.

Maybe in the US then. In Europe my FLGS had 10% discount on the box, and max online discount you'll find is around 15% for the terrain.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I got the following sprues:

One of this.
One of this.
One of this.
One of this.
One of this.
One of this.
Two of this.

Meant to say, thanks for this!

Manchu wrote:
Gentlemen, please feel free to continue the debate about whether GW does or does not do market research in another thread in the General Discussion sub-forum.

For anyone just tuning in, here's the latest:

- GW will print the softcover rulebook for Shadow War: Armageddon
- pre-orders willbegin April 22
- the pre-order period will be longer than the usual 7 days
- this printing will include all of the lists released via PDF
- this printing will also include lists for Adeptus Sororitas and Inquisition
- the Sisters and Inq lists will also be available via WD
- they will also be available as FREE downloads
- if you have the box set rulebook you will not miss anything by not getting this rulebook
- the second runrulebook will also include a photocopyable page of counters
- a digital version of the rules will also be available on April 22

- MSRP is not known
- whether this will be a limited release is not known

This makes me happy. The terrain pricing..not so much but I've got so much Mantic terrain and MDF stuff, I will just have to shrug it off. If they do a bundle of JUST the rules and terrain for any kind of discount that would be crazy good. I hope the counters will be available as a PDF as well. I've got the resources to make that work but really don't want to scan and reformat from a hard copy if a clean source file will be just as easy to provide.

Yeah the new terrain is amazing - but there are a lot of options on the market, many of which are more affordable!

 Mymearan wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
They can take lasguns and laspistols, neither of which are in the Neophyte kit.

I even put links to the kit with the Lasguns in my post. C'mon man...

Sorry, I was on mobile and didn't notice those links.

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm just baffled at the price disparity going on here..

Box:
7 sprue of terrain
2 kill teams
Rule book
£80

So let's say I want to get in on the action without the box... we'll be very generous and assume the separate rule book will be £25 (like recent AoS battletomes).

3 terrain boxes (8 sprues of terrain)
Rule book
£130

£130, at best!!! For the same contents (the missing kill teams, tokens etc easily cancel out the extra terrain sprue). What. The. Feth. What the actual feth! There just no way I'm paying £50 extra for the same contents. At least create a bundle so we can get the terrain for the same price as those lucky few who managed to get a box.

At least the terrain will be available to get with online discounts. There were not many sellers offering copies of Shadow War at less than retail.

When you factor in a 25%-30% online discount, the set of 3 terrain pieces is about retail cost of the Shadow War box. Definitely not ideal, but not quite as drastic of a price disparity when factoring in an online discount.

Maybe in the US then. In Europe my FLGS had 10% discount on the box, and max online discount you'll find is around 15% for the terrain.

Keep in mind there were rumors of new terrain bundles for holiday 2017 leaked awhile back. It's quite possible this new stuff will get some sort of bundle for that.

Either way, building a table with this terrain was going to be very expensive even if using the SW box sets. I have 2 boxes of the terrain and I don't think it would cover much more than 2x2 section, and that's without adding height. I feel like this stuff will work well among a mix of other stuff, including homemade items. I used lots of poster tubes and other stuff(you can check my gallery for pics) and will probably have to incorporate other items with these sets to get the most mileage out of them. I can't imagine how much it would cost to do a full 4x4 table with these alone.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 davou wrote:
The rulebook was announced to be available digitally the same night that they sold out IIRC; that was what I was referring to

I've not seen this. Anybody got a link for those of us who didn't preorder weren't able to obtain a local copy?

The book will be available to pre-order on Saturday the 22nd of April.

We’re also making a digital edition of this new book, giving you yet another choice on how to get your copy, which will also be available to pre-order that same weekend.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/04/09/shadow-war-armageddon-the-rules-available-soon/

Thanks for the link!

GW wrote:And if you can’t wait to get stuck in, you don’t need a copy of the rules to join in the Shadow War Campaign at your local store.

I'm not quite sure how that works if it's more involved than making "pew-pew" noises...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

I'm not quite sure how that works if it's more involved than making "pew-pew" noises...

They have the rules there, and were purportedly instructed to share them out as necessary.

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm just baffled at the price disparity going on here..

Box:
7 sprue of terrain
2 kill teams
Rule book
£80

So let's say I want to get in on the action without the box... we'll be very generous and assume the separate rule book will be £25 (like recent AoS battletomes).

3 terrain boxes (8 sprues of terrain)
Rule book
£130

You do get 8 sprues of terrain in the box. It is not quite the same 8 sprues from the 3 boxes on pre-order, SWA has an extra sprue of the large octagonal platform instead of the extra double thin chimney srpue you'd get buying separate.

 zedmeister wrote:

Smellingsalts wrote:
All you guys worried about not getting rules for demons take heart! White Dwarf now has new rules in it, so if you use GW's social media to give feedback to them, it sounds like the type of thing they could put in a White Dwarf. And that goes for the Adeptus Mechanicus (not Skitaari) who also did not get specific rules.

Problem is, with Cult Mechanicus, I can't see those battle servitors being able to climb ladders. Maybe some sort of addition to the Skitarii list for taking the Electro-priests?

If they do, and I can't turn the scenery into massive Tesla Coils, is there any point?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I'm not quite sure how that works if it's more involved than making "pew-pew" noises...

No, you just download the "Necromunda: Community Edition" and you will notice little difference.
Mind "catch fire" is nice to see.
https://yaktribe.org/community/vault/necromunda-community-edition-rulebook.1/
I would be remiss if I did not include the "Outlanders": https://yaktribe.org/community/vault/outlanders-community-edition.591/

I have all the original books for the game so these "updates" were good to see to address some of the balance issues.

I wonder why they didn't think to make a digital app for tracking your roster. That would have been really nice - especially it came with a built-in sound bank ("For the emperor!!" <<DakkaDakka>>. "WAAAAAGH"