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One thing that annoys me about the book is that the fluff is so interspersed with the rules. I wish they would at least clean thing s up so when you're trying to look something up mid-game, you don't have to try and skim through the fluff descriptions of the weapon/gear/armor to find the actual rules.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
but it irks me that less than a week after release a better version of the rules came out in print

Eh, I think it only matters in terms of resale value. A second print run already undercuts that market; upgrading the reprint really drives a steak through its heart. But if you don't care about resell, it's not really an issue.

Manchu wrote:
Well - for terrain, I bought two box sets plus two Galvanic Magnavents. I also have a set of Aegis Defense Line, a set of Munitorum Armored Containers, and two sets of Prometheum Relay Pipes. I'd like to get a set of Haemotope Reactors and maybe a Void Shield Generator to round it all off. I figure this should be enough to fill up a 4x4 mat. I'd still like a separate ladder sprue.

I would suggest using Plastruct 1:48 scale ladders:
https://plastruct.com/shop/structural-shapes/90423-kl-8/
A fair number of handrails too, I may have to see who my biggest dealer is in the area.
Some of their stairs fit the bill as well:

So there are a few ways to add to what you bought from GW.

I got lucky. I have just purchased one of the last box sets (maybe) in captivity. The local store had one left. The set is a great deal in my opinion. Rules at first glance seem simple enough, which is what I want. Also, I may branch out into othe armies.

Manchu wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
but it irks me that less than a week after release a better version of the rules came out in print

Eh, I think it only matters in terms of resale value. A second print run already undercuts that market; upgrading the reprint really drives a steak through its heart. But if you don't care about resell, it's not really an issue.

Thinking about this some more, I kind of hope the lists get revised a bit here and there - it is probably better to have a core book without the lists in that case.

str00dles1 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Heh, my FLGS has a copy of SWA sitting on the shelf. I have half a mind to pick it up. It would have been a lot more exciting of a find if they hadn't announced the book coming separately (and rendering the book in the box obsolete).

The only thing different is that the upcoming book will have the downloadable lists, in physical print.

There is a more complete version of the rules. Digital is fine by me, for the most part, but it irks me that less than a week after release a better version of the rules came out in print.

I don't get why you say its obsolete and different rules. Its not. Same exact rules. All the new book is adding is the army lists that have been on their website for 2 weeks and sisters of battle and inquisition.

How you play the game part of the book is 100% the same. If you don't play sisters or inquisition then don't buy the book coming out.

GW on their community FB group has already said the Sisters and Inquisition lists will be made available for free as downloads shortly after the books release.

 Talizvar wrote:

Manchu wrote:
Well - for terrain, I bought two box sets plus two Galvanic Magnavents. I also have a set of Aegis Defense Line, a set of Munitorum Armored Containers, and two sets of Prometheum Relay Pipes. I'd like to get a set of Haemotope Reactors and maybe a Void Shield Generator to round it all off. I figure this should be enough to fill up a 4x4 mat. I'd still like a separate ladder sprue.

I would suggest using Plastruct 1:48 scale ladders:
https://plastruct.com/shop/structural-shapes/90423-kl-8/
A fair number of handrails too, I may have to see who my biggest dealer is in the area.
Some of their stairs fit the bill as well:

So there are a few ways to add to what you bought from GW.

Cant agree more.

I grabbed I think they were O scale or N scale (don't recall) ladders. two per pack, can easily make a good 6 ladders or so from that depending on how high you want them. Also grabbed their pack of 0 scale tubes to glue and make piles of old metal rods.

Now if I could just find easy cheap mesh catwalks (diagonal preferred)

str00dles1 wrote:


I grabbed I think they were O scale or N scale (don't recall) ladders. two per pack, can easily make a good 6 ladders or so from that depending on how high you want them. Also grabbed their pack of 0 scale tubes to glue and make piles of old metal rods.

Now if I could just find easy cheap mesh catwalks (diagonal preferred)

Pretty sure they were O scale. N Scale (aprox 10mm which ranges from 1/144 to 1/160) would have been teeny tiny. O scale scenery has tons of applications for 28mm. Technically O is 1/48, but so much of it is compressed a bit anyway that it looks good next to 28mm figs on bases.

Mesh catwalks are a tough one. However, I've made several steel-reinforced catwalks/bridges for Necromunda from O-Gauge Gondolas. Old broken lionel Gondolas are pretty cheap and are already covered with ridges and rivets!

Also have done coal Scuttles from Hoppers. Great blocking terrain that doesn't take up too large a footprint.

I did a blog about a few of them here:
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2015/09/11/bridges-and-scuttles-from-o-scale-train/

 Eilif wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:


I grabbed I think they were O scale or N scale (don't recall) ladders. two per pack, can easily make a good 6 ladders or so from that depending on how high you want them. Also grabbed their pack of 0 scale tubes to glue and make piles of old metal rods.

Now if I could just find easy cheap mesh catwalks (diagonal preferred)

Pretty sure they were O scale. N Scale (aprox 10mm which ranges from 1/144 to 1/160) would have been teeny tiny. O scale scenery has tons of applications for 28mm. Technically O is 1/48, but so much of it is compressed a bit anyway that it looks good next to 28mm figs on bases.

Mesh catwalks are a tough one. However, I've made several steel-reinforced catwalks/bridges for Necromunda from O-Gauge Gondolas. Old broken lionel Gondolas are pretty cheap and are already covered with ridges and rivets!

Also have done coal Scuttles from Hoppers. Great blocking terrain that doesn't take up too large a footprint.

I did a blog about a few of them here:
https://www.chicagoskirmishwargames.com/blog/2015/09/11/bridges-and-scuttles-from-o-scale-train/

There's not nearly enough skulls, cables, and ventilation on any of that

They could also use some storm bolters too...

str00dles1 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Heh, my FLGS has a copy of SWA sitting on the shelf. I have half a mind to pick it up. It would have been a lot more exciting of a find if they hadn't announced the book coming separately (and rendering the book in the box obsolete).

The only thing different is that the upcoming book will have the downloadable lists, in physical print.

There is a more complete version of the rules. Digital is fine by me, for the most part, but it irks me that less than a week after release a better version of the rules came out in print.

I don't get why you say its obsolete and different rules. Its not. Same exact rules. All the new book is adding is the army lists that have been on their website for 2 weeks and sisters of battle and inquisition.

How you play the game part of the book is 100% the same. If you don't play sisters or inquisition then don't buy the book coming out.

Look at my post. Look for the word different.

I am not saying the rules changed. The BOOK is obsolete. When I get a med order at work, and something changes, but the med is still the same (frequency, dose, etc), the old order is rendered obsolete. That is the frame of reference I am using.

Again, the BOOK is obsolete.

Cool story, about the med thing. But that doesn't really apply here at all - there are very good reasons why an old medical order is obsolete when an update is applied (because other wise, people could die). Those reasons do not apply to the differences between Shadow Wars Armageddon's Rules.
Both books give you 100% of the rules.
One gives you 3 factions, the other gives you more.
Since all the faction rules included in the newer book are free and easily available, they have no bearing on the content of the rulebook.
It might be obsolete as far as you are concerned, but it is hardly obsolete in actuality.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

str00dles1 wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Heh, my FLGS has a copy of SWA sitting on the shelf. I have half a mind to pick it up. It would have been a lot more exciting of a find if they hadn't announced the book coming separately (and rendering the book in the box obsolete).

The only thing different is that the upcoming book will have the downloadable lists, in physical print.

There is a more complete version of the rules. Digital is fine by me, for the most part, but it irks me that less than a week after release a better version of the rules came out in print.

I don't get why you say its obsolete and different rules. Its not. Same exact rules. All the new book is adding is the army lists that have been on their website for 2 weeks and sisters of battle and inquisition.

How you play the game part of the book is 100% the same. If you don't play sisters or inquisition then don't buy the book coming out.

Look at my post. Look for the word different.

I am not saying the rules changed. The BOOK is obsolete. When I get a med order at work, and something changes, but the med is still the same (frequency, dose, etc), the old order is rendered obsolete. That is the frame of reference I am using.

Again, the BOOK is obsolete.

No it's not. All the rules are current.

It's semantics. The book is still a correct representation of the game rules, even if it isn't the most recent printing. All the additional material will be available for free after this printing's release. So the only thing early adopters lose out on is the convenience of having it all bound together.

 aka_mythos wrote:
It's semantics. The book is still a correct representation of the game rules, even if it isn't the most recent printing. All the additional material will be available for free after this printing's release. So the only thing early adopters lose out on is the convenience of having it all bound together.

So the early adopters do miss out on something. And yes, convenience is something important (hence why there is an entire industry devoted to it).

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
It's semantics. The book is still a correct representation of the game rules, even if it isn't the most recent printing. All the additional material will be available for free after this printing's release. So the only thing early adopters lose out on is the convenience of having it all bound together.

So the early adopters do miss out on something. And yes, convenience is something important (hence why there is an entire industry devoted to it).

By your logic the first book was obsolete prior to even being released, since the core book only contained Orks, Scouts and Astra Militarum rules. All other factions were already in pdf form only, just like Inquisition and Sister will be.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
It's semantics. The book is still a correct representation of the game rules, even if it isn't the most recent printing. All the additional material will be available for free after this printing's release. So the only thing early adopters lose out on is the convenience of having it all bound together.

So the early adopters do miss out on something. And yes, convenience is something important (hence why there is an entire industry devoted to it).

I'm pretty certain the reprinted book wouldn't exist without the early adopters and their fervent support. What they miss by being early adopters, they make up for in having made the game popular enough for GW to continue supporting despite plans otherwise. I guess they gain the convenience of having a game that GW keeps adding to.

I early adopted, I can't think of anything I missed.

Oh except the hand wringing, followed by the teeth gnashing and wailing from outraged people that weren't quick enough off from the blocks to land a copy.

 aka_mythos wrote:
They could also use some storm bolters too...

Nice one!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
So the early adopters do miss out on something. And yes, convenience is something important (hence why there is an entire industry devoted to it).

Well, again - I think this is only practically relevant in terms of resale. But let's hope the game gets support over time, including "living" PDF lists - in which case, having (mechanically) obsolete lists printed in your rulebook is not really an advantage.

 Sqorgar wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
It's semantics. The book is still a correct representation of the game rules, even if it isn't the most recent printing. All the additional material will be available for free after this printing's release. So the only thing early adopters lose out on is the convenience of having it all bound together.

So the early adopters do miss out on something. And yes, convenience is something important (hence why there is an entire industry devoted to it).

I'm pretty certain the reprinted book wouldn't exist without the early adopters and their fervent support. What they miss by being early adopters, they make up for in having made the game popular enough for GW to continue supporting despite plans otherwise. I guess they gain the convenience of having a game that GW keeps adding to.

This is the part I think that one poster is not catching onto.
I remember when Apocalypse came out.. and it blew GW away (with how it took off). So much so that it transformed the core game. I think we're going to see a similar reaction from GW. They obviously realize they've been courting players wrong.. or at least they haven't been courting players that are more interested in this type of gameplay. I do believe that the current management and marketing teams are intelligent enough and genuinely want to turn things around in such a way that the concept of smaller games will work it's way back into the core rules.

I hope..

That said.. the mentality on the pricing for those terrain kits is beyond asinine. So.. we'll see how this works out.

Yeah, I don't understand why "limited" isn't simply "limited to 6 months of sales"

Manchu wrote:
Well, again - I think this is only practically relevant in terms of resale. But let's hope the game gets support over time, including "living" PDF lists - in which case, having (mechanically) obsolete lists printed in your rulebook is not really an advantage.

And if GW doesn't update them over time, the community will, so again, printed *faction lists* aren't automatically a benefit.

And that says nothing of the game rules which are the same, and again any updates via errata or FAQ will require separate copies for print books, wheras digital should just get an updated download.

I am likely to own both, because I want to support this game as much as I can and speak to GW with my wallet. I hope they continue to listen as they have been and we get a lot more from them as far as skirmish gaming goes. I'd love to see future box sets with more terrain bundles and new factions packaged within. An expanded campaign would be cool too.

Oh yeah, and release Necromunda with new plastic gangs.

Yeah if they go full Necromunda I'm going to have to set up direct deposit..

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
It's semantics. The book is still a correct representation of the game rules, even if it isn't the most recent printing. All the additional material will be available for free after this printing's release. So the only thing early adopters lose out on is the convenience of having it all bound together.

So the early adopters do miss out on something. And yes, convenience is something important (hence why there is an entire industry devoted to it).

GW weren't going to win on this one. They decided to include the other lists in the reprinted rules, which annoys customers who bought the initial printing. If they had left them out and just reprinted the original book, we'd all be asking why they didn't do the obvious thing and roll all of the lists into the reprint...


Of course, you could argue that this could have been avoided if they had included those lists in the book to begin with... but that ship has already bolted through the spilt train. Or something.

 insaniak wrote:
GW weren't going to win on this one. They decided to include the other lists in the reprinted rules, which annoys customers who bought the initial printing. If they had left them out and just reprinted the original book, we'd all be asking why they didn't do the obvious thing and roll all of the lists into the reprint...


Of course, you could argue that this could have been avoided if they had included those lists in the book to begin with... but that ship has already bolted through the spilt train. Or something.

I would of been annoyed myself if they put all the lists in the original book.. as it is a place setting of Armageddon

I feel that they did the other races more for anticipation of player demands for the rules to exist..

But I do hope they do more shadow wars =D (secretly wishing for a Gorkamorka style one)

Manchu wrote:

beast_gts wrote:
Work in what way?

As a ladder up to the first platform of the void shield generator.

Cog wheels are 3 inch up, top platform is 7. Want a photo?

Not to rain on any parades but actual Necromunda seems very unlikely considering how much there is in the production line just to support 40k and AoS without even considering Blood Bowl and Hobbit/LotR. The beauty of Shadow War is that it runs parallel to 40k. Any new 40k support aside from the larger models could get Shadow War rules.

For the curious, my son and I played our first game combining the Necromunda and Shadow War terrain.



I played scouts, he played orks, BTW. Scouts won, killing Boss Nasher, but the scouts in return lost Brother Charon and his sniper rifle.

Are people complaining about getting something where others would love to get it but can't? Geeze some people are so ungrateful for what they have. Funny they were happy about it a week ago. Would they really not buy the product if they knew before hand? I have a feeling most would still get it knowing what they know now.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
It's semantics. The book is still a correct representation of the game rules, even if it isn't the most recent printing. All the additional material will be available for free after this printing's release. So the only thing early adopters lose out on is the convenience of having it all bound together.

So the early adopters do miss out on something. And yes, convenience is something important (hence why there is an entire industry devoted to it).

This is kind of an absurd reason to be so upset. Yes, people who managed to be "early adopters" miss out on having all the lists in one book, and have to print off some papers and put them in a binder or have a digital device handy to access them. As opposed to people that did not manage to get a copy, who will likely have to pay well over $100 USD more to get all the box contents than the those of us who were able to get a copy for $130 or less. And we get access to the rules at least three to four weeks before them. I'm sure there are many people who would have happily gotten the boxed deal and had to print some PDFS then pay for everything individually at much higher prices.