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Nah, I would still rather back this than Bones. After calculating shipping to APAC, it's not worth backing bones at a KS level.

Nice to see they have the troops available, but seems a bit pricey. I would love to use the Lannister Guards to replace the Basilean MAAs, but fear they will be too tall. I will wait until I can see a size comparison and then pick some up retail, if they look like they will fit.

Latest word is that Basilean MAAs are getting replaced during the KoW Vanguard KS apparently renders were shown at the last open day but no images seem to have slipped out.

Eddard Stark is next SG at 855k



I like the model ... like the character always hesitant to use Ice. Not much progression regarding pledges though. Making no KS exclusive characters available as optional buys really bugs me ...

KS exclusive characters would destroy the competitive scene that CMON are trying to build around this game at best they could offer KS exclusive sculpts but there doesn't seem to be much interest in those.

Things are moving very slowly at the moment so they could really do with just adding a couple of extra units worth of content to the pledge which I think will push it into good value for a lot of people.

Hopefully the ks will go over $1 million and by that time the base pledge value is too good to resist. I want to want to back this project but so far it just feels like the added licensing cost has pushed the price a bit too high for my hobby budget.

Given the amount of heroes I have for Z:BP and coming in Z;Green Horde (along with giants and siege engines!) in the same scale I wish they'd include extra movement trays or at least offer them as an add on. I could easily build more units and reduce the repeated sculpts with the Zombicide heroes.

It would also be cool if the rulebook included all the factions' rules already. By the time this arrives (if I back it) I'll have enough Zombicide zombies, necromancers and a zombie giant to make a full white walker army if I had the rules and trays to put it on the table. That kind of boardgame to wargame compatibility really intrigues me but I'm afraid the licensing requirements are going to get in the way of the synergy potential.

Prestor Jon wrote:
Hopefully the ks will go over $1 million and by that time the base pledge value is too good to resist. I want to want to back this project but so far it just feels like the added licensing cost has pushed the price a bit too high for my hobby budget.

Given the amount of heroes I have for Z:BP and coming in Z;Green Horde (along with giants and siege engines!) in the same scale I wish they'd include extra movement trays or at least offer them as an add on. I could easily build more units and reduce the repeated sculpts with the Zombicide heroes.

It would also be cool if the rulebook included all the factions' rules already. By the time this arrives (if I back it) I'll have enough Zombicide zombies, necromancers and a zombie giant to make a full white walker army if I had the rules and trays to put it on the table. That kind of boardgame to wargame compatibility really intrigues me but I'm afraid the licensing requirements are going to get in the way of the synergy potential.

The SoI&F miniatures are on bases that are a different (and typical of wargaming, standard 30mm) size that the round bottoms to the zombicide stuff. The zombicide stuff would either need to be rebased by you to fit the trays, or have special trays made just for them.

 DaveC wrote:
Latest word is that Basilean MAAs are getting replaced during the KoW Vanguard KS apparently renders were shown at the last open day but no images seem to have slipped out.

OT, but I REALLY want to see the new renderings!!!

So far this feels disappointingly similar to the KS Wyrd ran for that larger-scale Malifaux game, whose name alludes me at the moment.

It just doesn't feel like a "critical mass" of excitement which a new miniatures game really needs if its going to find a community. And as we all know, a game without a community is usually just a money-sink for us early-adopters.

Finally heard about this...not very wowed at all. Rules don't seem very exciting, Models are just pretty fantasy instead of the iconic aesthetic that would fly off the shelves...seems they're on a road to either failure or very little success.

 Da krimson barun wrote:
Finally heard about this...not very wowed at all. Rules don't seem very exciting, Models are just pretty fantasy instead of the iconic aesthetic that would fly off the shelves...seems they're on a road to either failure or very little success.

The aesthetic is, to an extent, dictated by GRRM himself as everything passes through him and, so far, I'd say it's pretty consistent with the low fantasy, quasi-medieval European aesthetic his series has had since it's inception.

Not sure what 'iconic aesthetic' you're looking for with this IP?

Honestly that lazy rich turds reluctance to finish the story while cashing in at every level has really soured me on this franchise.

A lot of artists / writers / etc have trouble finishing something, especially an epic like that... I understand the frustration but you can always watch the (allgedly) leaked HBO episodes to get an idea of what's coming

I was fairly excited for this Kickstarter but having never dealt with CMoN before I was also cautious, upon launch I thought that it looked pretty decent but on further reflection have decided that to buy in is going to cost US$150 for models in a hit and miss material, limited sculpts and a fair time away. Think I might just spend that money on Perry minis and print off some transfers and play ASoIaF now using any of the huge number of rulesets already available. The only thing that seems to be unique about this the sidegame stuff.

Yep. Thanks to comments like yours, I've been finding rulesets that others have made for Game of Thrones. Found this one: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?364830-Dux-Westerosum-Lannisters-Emerging

The political aspect's too abstract for me. While the combat has the expected charge, flank, ranged, etc. attacks, the political side has the abstract Euro-hybrid opportunity cost resulting in actions like "draw a Tactics card". Not particularly immersive to me.

I *am* interested in wargames where "off the board" activity influenced the battle, so if anyone knows of such games, let me know. I know that Mighty Empires added exploration and all sorts of other activity to campaign wargames, where the battles themselves could be replaced with dice rolls, or actually played out on a battle field.

 RiTides wrote:
A lot of artists / writers / etc have trouble finishing something, especially an epic like that... I understand the frustration but you can always watch the (allgedly) leaked HBO episodes to get an idea of what's coming

I think the ending will be 'everyone dies, nothing really changes'

Ced1106 - Bloody Barons is really good for that one. It's a ruleset intended for Peter Pig's War of the Roses period campaign, but you have a large pre-battle sequence were both players can scheme and back-stab each other to represent the machinations that were going on behind the scene with that conflict. Things such as bribes and wavering loyalties for individual units come into it, even wagon trains/supplies for the troops or bad weather that impacts arrival at a given point. Obviously the propensity for troops to switch sides would change depending on whether they were household guard, or a levy that's been raised by a local Baron who isn't quite sure which way the war is going to go, and would rather have a gift of a losing rival's land from the king, than end up in exile or with his head on a block. It's some really interesting dynamics involved and I think captures the almost chaotic nature of that conflict quite well, actually really makes me want to play just writing about it!

The aesthetic is, to an extent, dictated by GRRM himself as everything passes through him and, so far, I'd say it's pretty consistent with the low fantasy, quasi-medieval European aesthetic his series has had since it's inception.

Back to this game, about the aesthetic obviously it is not going to be to everyone's taste. What I will say is that by and large the design looks consistent, and if you want 'low fantasy' (really, as low as you are going to get) then this looks a good bet. Really, everything is a slightly extreme version of real life, and definitely think it has a niche for itself. The armour of the Lannister guard and knights looks as ornate as the richest landowners and lords of Europe could have hoped for in real historical terms. The Stark berserkers wearing their skins look like the most fearsome viking raiders or Germanic barbarian warlords, but again that stretch of reality while remaining plausible. But yes, if you want towering steam-powered walkers, creatures from nightmare or celestial super-men then this isn't that game.

I really like it, it's got it's own style and I'd quite happily collect and paint a pile of them despite owning a bunch of Perry men-at-arms, as they do represent something quite different.

Rules-wise, obviously we need to see more of that aspect but the signs are good. There seem to be a number of aspects of modern game design involved, and they've put one of the most respected board game creators at the helm here - I own a couple of those games and absolutely love them, so for me this is far less of a risk than a lot of other similar board or wargames where you have no idea of track record of the people making the game.

 Pacific wrote:

Back to this game, about the aesthetic obviously it is not going to be to everyone's taste. What I will say is that by and large the design looks consistent, and if you want 'low fantasy' (really, as low as you are going to get) then this looks a good bet. Really, everything is a slightly extreme version of real life, and definitely think it has a niche for itself. The armour of the Lannister guard and knights looks as ornate as the richest landowners and lords of Europe could have hoped for in real historical terms. The Stark berserkers wearing their skins look like the most fearsome viking raiders or Germanic barbarian warlords, but again that stretch of reality while remaining plausible. But yes, if you want towering steam-powered walkers, creatures from nightmare or celestial super-men then this isn't that game.

I really like it, it's got it's own style and I'd quite happily collect and paint a pile of them despite owning a bunch of Perry men-at-arms, as they do represent something quite different.

I agree, it has a nice consistent look. Personally, these are great fodder/goon minis for things like DnD or other RPGs. Comign from that direction, having a line of product with a cohesive look is great for setting and world building.

They might not be the best miniatures in material or pose-ability, but they'll work just fine for plenty of people who like them.

New Bolton unit, they've enough for a small force now (and there's more Bolton stuff on the way)

Given that the Bolton characters, 2 boxes of girls and 2 boxes of cutthroats with attached captains can make a 30 point purely Bolton force it would be nice to see a Bolton tactics deck added at some point (although as they are a mercenary faction it may be unlikely). Looking forward to seeing what the next Bolton unit is bit sound and they did imply it had a proper flayed man banner rather than the blood drops the Cuthroats have.

This KS needs more Joffrey

Would another Lannister do?




The full box of Lannister Knights is unlocked and add to the base pledge.

There's also a preview of the Faith Militant - Champion of the Faith



The above is a KS exclusive sculpt only available with Add on boxes of Lannister Knights.

Jesting aside, I'd really like to see a production miniature for this. I'm hearing lots of boasts regarding "High Quality" PVC, but haven't yet held such stuff in my hands, except perhaps the Guild Ball Kick Off set which was pretty good, but still suffered from droopy weapons.

Steamforged are claiming that their next major release (The Farmers Guild starter) will really show off what the new PVC is capable of, but that release will come after this KS has closed.

Guess I could jump in for a few £ and then still have the option to increase to full backing.

CMON are going for harder plastic weapons to avoid any droopping.

I'd love to get this, but where the hell will I find other players...

Bluebeard wrote:
I'd love to get this, but where the hell will I find other players...

Like most smaller game systems, if passionate about them we have to create two demo armies and home-grow a scene ourselves.

 Flashman wrote:
Jesting aside, I'd really like to see a production miniature for this. I'm hearing lots of boasts regarding "High Quality" PVC, but haven't yet held such stuff in my hands, except perhaps the Guild Ball Kick Off set which was pretty good, but still suffered from droopy weapons.

Is CMON using the same plastic as they did in Massive Darkness? Maybe you could ask on the MD threads if the miniatures have problems.

CMON are using the same plastic as massive darkness for most of the model but are then using a harder plastic for thin components such as weapons. They don't usually do this for miniature board games but do for war games (believe Wrath of Kings had the harder plastic weapons).

Tywins armor suffers from a bad case of “too much sci fi” IMO.

Still hard to believe that this hasn't cracked $1M yet.

Is it really due to TV GoT being more popular than Book GoT, and no TV likenesses = less interest?

Or, is it that wargames < boardgames?

And CMON hasn't given many/enough details about their 'organized play' plans for this?