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I am happy with less fantasy ... I like the Horus Heresy and so I can behind humans fighting humans.

 Fireball wrote:
I am happy with less fantasy ... I like the Horus Heresy and so I can behind humans fighting humans.

I agree. And there's a notable lack of good human armies for 32mm fantasy. There's no lack of dragon models, or undead armies, or any fantasy type. I just get the feeling looking at comments on the internet that a lack of fantastical options seems to be a minority complaint, there are way more people saying they weren't wowed by the value, they weren't sure they'd enjoy the game rules, or that miniature wargames aren't their normal thing and they're just not prepared to spend $150 to find out if they like them.

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 MonkeyBallistic wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I think this is a hard sell for many fans... it's a recreation of a much less "fantasy" period of Westeros history, when there were basically just men fighting against other men. I don't think people want that. They want to use Dany's dragons to burn white walkers, they want a legion of fearless Unsullied, dragonfire, screaming wildlings led by enormous giants, legions of Dothraki riders, Direwolves and Faceless Men... this is just so bland in comparison. It's like if GWs Lord of the Rings was nothing but Gondor and Rohan. No idea why they chose this period as the basis for the game.

You've absolutely hit the heart of the problem. It's as if they've tried to make the most boring version of GoT possible.

I don't disagree with the KS being underwhelming and that the low fantasy starter set doesn't have the more exciting high fantasy elements but I don't think CMON could have released high fantasy factions in this KS. They needed to go low fantasy alt War of the Roses because that was the easiest and best way to create a balanced wargame. If they had a Daenerys faction with 3 dragons how would that not be game breaking? Is there any other faction with reliable anti-dragon capabilities? If the starter in this KS was Daenerys vs Lannisters the game would boil down to whether or not you get lucky rolls for a ballista shots before the dragons wiped out your army. That doesn't sound balanced or fun.

A white walker faction has similar issues. A white walker led wight horde army would be virtually unstoppable unless the opposing faction could equip a good sized portion of its army with dragon glass weapons or valyrian steel. If every opposing faction can equip themselves with dragon glass then you've taken away a lot of the coolness (no pun intended) and scariness of the white walker faction but if you don't then every battle fought against a white walker army plays out like the attack on Hardhome. Without having multiple units that can kill the white walkers you'll be defeated by a near endless supply of wights.

I think that's going to hurt the game in the long run, provided it gets a decent player base in the first place. ASoIaF is a low fantasy setting wherein a couple factions have access to nigh unstoppable high fantasy monsters/magic and within the canon of the books there's really no way to balance that out.

That's not something I'd considered, but I think you're absolutely right, all of which starts to make me think that perhaps GoT isn't a great setting for a rank and file wargame. Perhaps a scenario driven skirmish game focusing on characters might have worked better?

Tully Sword Shields have now joined the Stark forces as an addon.







If purchased during Kickstarter then they come with an exclusive sculpt Rob Stark as well -

I saw this on kickstarter and have been following it for the past 2 weeks. I've been trying to figure out how I feel about the game, and I am glad I came here because it seems like I'm not the only one with misgivings about it.

I love the series (both the books and the show) and wargaming so I thought I'd be all over this. But the kickstarter itself has turned me off. I think one of the major reasons was as someone else said before: the split SG (3 for the dogs, 3 for the archers, 2 for the knights) just really killed the backing. It felt cheap, like CMON expected this game to hit $5,000,000 easy and therefore planned out everything so far from each other. I can understand why they could have expected that based on how well previous games like Zombicide have done. But as a backer just for this game, I felt like they were just trying to milk out more money before bringing in more actually value. Isn't that a point for a kickstarter: reward the people that the back it early? Why would I want second sculpts of models I can only use 1 of in a game? Why should I pay $30 a year early for a box that will sell for just $5 more?

Speaking of which, another thing that is bothering me is the retail price of the units. $35 for 12 minis with only 3-4 sculpts just smacks of GW. It's hard enough to convince people at a FLGS to try out a new wargame when demoing. Now if they want an actual army they need to spend $300+? Even with a starter you still need over a $100 to really fill out a tournament sized army. And yes, I know some would say "that's still cheaper than GW." But that is not the point. GW is not the standard we should be aiming for or basing our concept of value on. $35 for 12 somewhat mono-pose minis isn't good value IMO.

In the end, I will still watch this campaign til the end to see how it does. But it really feels like CMON shot themselves in the foot with this. I just don't really see the value of going in early rather than just waiting until it releases retail. I HOPE that the game does well and I WANT it to do well. But this kickstarter has just made me feel very meh about the game right off the back.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

The 1 million stretch goal is a complete unit of Bolton Flayed Men -

Those are some bloody lovely cavalry figures right there.

I know they aren't steam powered, riding on a wave of skulls or firing laser beams from their eye-balls. But to me they look like the nastiest thing you have read about from the hundred years war, amplified by five, and look all the more terrifying for it.

Not going to be everyone's cup of tea, but I think in terms of the look and feel of the imagery they are trying to capture, CMoN are doing this very well.

Well, yesterday was successful. Because of a leaked card image I thought we would see Tully Cavaliers as heavy cavalry to oppose the Knights of Casterly Rock, but instead we got Tully Sworn Shields. Very nice. Lets see if more Tullys might become available.

The Flayed Men cavalry is going into Chaos direction a little too much for my taste as well, but they look very dynamic and indeed more like the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

Tyrion does have a spiked helm in the first novel as he finds an inventive use of it during battle so adding spikes to armour does have some basis in the source material. Given House Bolton have a reputation which is feared I can see them being a bit theratrical with their armour design to build upon that fear. I don't agree it is a little too much though (they are also likely to do serious damage to their own horses with those very long flails).

Aeneades wrote:
Tully Sword Shields have now joined the Stark forces as an addon.

Fishmen! They wanna be careful, straying close to GW IP here.

I don't mind the lack of fantasy, love me a bit of historical, and these have a bit of both. If I was buying, it would be to get the figures, not the rules. They are lovely renders. But.....pvc, I have blood rage and am happy with the quality of the figures, but only at the price that it sold at. The duplicate posing is a big turn off too. Price, pvc and duplicate posing are putting me off. Shame. If it was $100 I might overcome my reservations, but too rich and too samey at this point.

With GW switching to Primaris Marines which I just do not care for I look for something to throw my money at and as a fan of the books this is just the right thing. I am curious about the PVC quality combined with plastic weapons. Hopefully it will work out.

As I am mainly looking to paint, I do not care for duplicate poses either!

I haven't been following this too closely, but is there any indication of when it's going to retail? I'm a huge fan of the TV series and I *love* the books, but for some reason this hasn't grabbed me as a KS - probably the price, but also I'm not that bothered about the two factions in the starter. I'll wait to see what else is released, but I really just want a Night's Watch force!

The leaked plan is retail April - May of next year with a second starter set with two new factions being released around 3 months later. They seem to be starting at the beginning of the war so could be a while before they reach the Nights watch.

CMON really needs to put up a teaser into the KS (last 48 hours) of what will be the content in the second start box ... I want the Baratheon brothers with their respective allies (especially the Tyrells) and the Greyjoys.

Just passed $1m so Bolton Cavalry are unlocked next is Littlefinger - Once unlocked Littlefinger will be the 150th miniature reaching that $1 per mini level.

oh, I love to hate Littlefinger

Aeneades wrote:
The 1 million stretch goal is a complete unit of Bolton Flayed Men -

Maybe its just their armor design, the barding design and the spikes, but they remind me of Chaos Knights, and I love them for it.

Yeah, those knights are looking pretty nice.

If one of the factions had been designed along those lines from the get-go I'd have probably looked into pledging.

I was on the fence with only two factions. With the new cavalry units and a full third faction, I'm all in. Game isn't the same as the show or how I envisioned the books, but the gameplay looks fast and fun!

If I hadn't delved into Runewars, I would have picked this up. Alas, I'm sitting on three fantasy armies as it is, so I'm going to sadly have to pass.

I do need to pick up a Tyrion figure (though I'd prefer one based on the show) before the whole franchise fades back into obscurity.

 Stormonu wrote:
If I hadn't delved into Runewars, I would have picked this up.

Ironically, my early meh-ness in response to this kickstarter ultimately resulted in me getting into Runewars with the money I set aside for this. It looks like the kickstarter has started showing more interesting models after the three stalled stretch goals for dogs, but the damage is done. Still think the IP has doomed this game to a limited existence, but I guess I can revisit that theory when the second starter set's contents are announced.

I also recently bought the RW core box ... and started painting the Daqans ... Played the introductory game against my friend's fully painted Waiqr. Game is OK but I'm not convinced about the minis. Part of it is definitely the material - but the bigger issue is the aesthetic. The ASoIaF mini game models don't have either problem, judging buy (a) the renders (I like the fantasy-style WotR) and (b) my Black Plague minis. Having said that, if I do end ip backing this, I really doubt I will bother painting the minis ... which is actually a plus for me, in a weird way. As to Rw, really not sure if I will make any further purchases for a while.

 Stormonu wrote:
If I hadn't delved into Runewars, I would have picked this up. Alas, I'm sitting on three fantasy armies as it is, so I'm going to sadly have to pass.

You have three high fantasy armies, soiaf is low fantasy so a completely different genre so you get both.

It's a shame, I really like the setting and miniatures look great but the 32mm scale just kills it for me. Oh well, the bolton knights might find some use as chaos knights I suppose.

What's the problem with 32s?

 Manchu wrote:
What's the problem with 32s?

I guess its the missing compatibility to other systems which use 28mm?

Exactly, I'm not fond of the scalecreep going on and try to keep to 28mm where I can, which would make these minis be a head above my historicals

I wasn't so bummed at first when I thought they where doing some boardgame/wargame hybrid, but seeing all the boxart makes it look it's gonna be a proper wargame.

Just FYI most "28mm" minis these days are actually 32mm. The scalecreep part already happened. Nowadays, companies are just finally starting to advertise the scale accurately. I guess if your current historicals collection are Perry minis, you might actually have a problem ... but these obvious fantasy designs are going to look weird next to (for example) Perry WotR figs no matter what.

 Fireball wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
What's the problem with 32s?

I guess its the missing compatibility to other systems which use 28mm?

LOL what is 28mm? "Jaime Lannister will look very large leading my Jack Scruby sculpted ancient Hittites"

Even Perry miniatures are 31mm to the eye.

Littlefinger is unlocked that's 150 miniatures

next is Tryion in his combat gear





Thiago confirmed no more unit boxes added to the pledge level so the rest are paid add ons like this






comes with KS exclusive hound sculpt