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Fashion show runway hound.

Sandor looks cool.

So much for the 1060k mark, by the way!

Honestly, for the price, this has become quite the good deal. There also is a good start for a table top game in the making. I like it.

Will not back it though. No time for it

I like the miniatures and the rules and gameplay look fine but I just can't see myself continuing to support this game at retail. If everything was at Z:BP pricing I'd probably jump in. I've picked up some of the guest artist boxes for Z;BP off Amazon for nice prices but I don't see that being so easily down with ASOIAF. I don't want to find myself in the position of having the starter from the KS campaign but then talking myself out of ever spending the money to get more units or factions when they're released via retail.

Really on the fence about backing this one, love the books but this just hadn't grabbed me.....until I saw the Bolton horsemen. I'd love to have an army led by the Leech Lord!

Does anyone know if the figures are the same scale as the Dark Sword metals? I'd love to see a comparison pic if one is out there.

Next SG:

Wish it was a better value, but I'm definitely getting myself one starter pledge. It's disappointing to think I won't be adding onto it, though this game will not have any success at retail unless they drastically slash prices, and even then it probably wouldn't be the level of success they need for such a large game.

Once the unit boxes hit clearance prices, then it might become a fun game to build large armies with. Which may come as soon as November 2018.

Those are some pretty dire predictions, frankelee. The prices are in line with RW. Whether this kind of crossover product will find success is very much up in the air.

Hopefully it will have some mileage! A real waste of some lovely sculpts otherwise.

Manchu, as someone who has played Runewars (and a lot of other games going on your review articles) what's your first impression of this in comparison? Looks like similar kinds of mechanics in some areas but do you have any other thoughts on it?

 Manchu wrote:
Those are some pretty dire predictions, frankelee. The prices are in line with RW. Whether this kind of crossover product will find success is very much up in the air.

I feel like that's the worst possible thing you could have in common with Runewars. And while it's definitely easier to be an unfair pessimist about new games, because most of them don't work out, that's also all the more reason to really pay attention to flaws. This game just costs too much, it's stuck between audiences in terms of board gamers and wargamers, and if you can't sell it to a lot of people on Kickstarter, you won't sell to MORE people in retail stores. You know?

How is this a bad value?
For 150$ you get 100+ detailed miniatures enough for 2 players including the ruleset. How is that bad value?

MORE THAN 100 MINIATURES?

RoninXiC wrote:
How is this a bad value?
For 150$ you get 100+ detailed miniatures enough for 2 players including the ruleset. How is that bad value?

MORE THAN 100 MINIATURES?

Well, I'll speak for myself here, this is a Kickstarter campaign. So I expect a little bit more to go in the calculation than just price per mini. It's a year long interest free loan, done direct to manufacturer (doubling their revenue on it), and I'll pay (high) shipping. So that right there demands more than good value compared to something I can go to my gaming store, stick under my arm, and go home with right then and there.

Also we're talking about PVC miniatures, which are cheaper plastic miniatures (there's a reason green army men come in tubs of 144 for $10 at the Oriental Trading Company), so I'm not putting them on a pedestal like they're GW minis (which are so over-priced I rarely bother with them). And we're talking about an army scale game, which means individual troopers need to come cheap. The fact is, I can go to the Perry Brother's website and buy six boxes of Agincourt or War of the Roses minis, made in hard plastic, for around the price they're charging for this Kickstarter. Which would be about 216 to 250 infantryman with many weapon types available, and they'd be at your house next week.

Though the starter is a good enough value for me, I just feel like it should have ended up with 6 additional units, and that they'll make significantly less because it still looks a little light for the price. The real problem is the add-on units, which at $35 each is just a non-starter.

The Reaper KS core set already has 91 miniatures for $100, and it's only the first week. High fantasy is not low fantasy, and "rank and file" is not RPGs and miniature skirmish games, but, while Song isn't a bad value, particularly for fans of the work, Reaper is the *better* value, and anyone on this thread probably already has one or two rulesets they can use with the mini's anyway.

Unlike CMON's boardgames, this KS is just the starter set, and future additions will be sold at retail. This means backers will be not have as good a value as the KS, assuming CMON supports the game longer than a few years.

With CMON running two projects, Dwaven Forge's average of $1K per backer, and Reaper, July and August have been pretty demanding on the wallet! Myself, I've backed the Hand of Glory "hot swappable" RPG miniatures KS, for over $100 (for 27,000+ different miniature poses, btw. Now, at least for the RPG audience, *there's* value!).

As crossover product lines they have a lot in common in terms of physical features. In terms of mechanics, they are very different. RW emphasizes the need to predict what your opponent will do at the top of the turn. Like in other Flight Path games, RW feels like a wind-up toy: you make most of the decisions before anything happens and then see how your choices play out against your opponent's choices. ASOIAF is more about reacting to what's going on in the moment, including playing cards that can undermine your opponent's strategy as he is executing it.

I think the contrast to RW, the fact that RW has such a distinct gimmick in the order dials, has given some people the impression that ASOIAF is bland. But the way I look at it, ASOIAF's gimmick is that there are three levels of interconnected gameplay: (1) what's going on "on the battlefield" as far as the relative positions of the units and their inherent abilities; (2) what's going on with your hand of tactics cards; and (3) what's going on with the political resources. There is nothing like that going on with RW.

This makes sense - ASOIAF minis game enjoys a setting thick with details that is very well known. It makes sense that the game should give you a sense of the battles taking place in the context of a larger world. By contrast, RW is about as generic as it gets. TBH I picked up RW (and Battlelore 2nd) to try the mechanics, despite not caring about the setting (what setting?) and kind of hating the models.

It's looking like we should unlock Roderick in the next 5 or 6 hours going by the increases over the last 24 hours. Things have really picked up here but it's looking unlikely that we will see any more stretch goal units which is a shame as another Mercenary unit or two would have given all backers 3 complete 30 points armies with quite a few options.

It's a little odd to have gotten plastic versions of just two of the several token types that come in the starter. I wonder what the plan is there. I can understand that they were not super exciting as stretch goals. But it does seem strange to only have plastic tokens for some of the token types.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are holding the remaining tokens to release in one larger SG during the last 48 hours when pledging has picked up to the point that there won't be too much grumbling about it - feed in enough individual NCU/Commander miniatures and people will be glad of the change. They definitely were going to drip feed them in earlier but it didn't go to plan.

ced1106 wrote:
The Reaper KS core set already has 91 miniatures for $100, and it's only the first week. High fantasy is not low fantasy, and "rank and file" is not RPGs and miniature skirmish games, but, while Song isn't a bad value, particularly for fans of the work, Reaper is the *better* value, and anyone on this thread probably already has one or two rulesets they can use with the mini's anyway.

Unlike CMON's boardgames, this KS is just the starter set, and future additions will be sold at retail. This means backers will be not have as good a value as the KS, assuming CMON supports the game longer than a few years.

With CMON running two projects, Dwaven Forge's average of $1K per backer, and Reaper, July and August have been pretty demanding on the wallet! Myself, I've backed the Hand of Glory "hot swappable" RPG miniatures KS, for over $100 (for 27,000+ different miniature poses, btw. Now, at least for the RPG audience, *there's* value!).

Reaper minis are also made of a much worse material than CMON boardgame plastic though.

$1095k done - Ser Rodrick's in ... what's next?

The kickstarter has been accelerating a bit as it gets towards the end. Your $150 pledge gets you more than 150 minis now. I have never backed a kickstarter before but this is starting to look pretty tempting.

I don't like (or dislike) ASOIAF/GoT but the value is clear to me.

 Manchu wrote:
$1095k done - Ser Rodrick's in ... what's next?

Grand Maester Pycelle ... as Lannister NCU

 Fireball wrote:

 Manchu wrote:
$1095k done - Ser Rodrick's in ... what's next?

Grand Maester Pycelle ... as Lannister NCU

Yep ..



I suspect that rounds out the Lannister Hero box which will retail with Tywin, Sandor, Tyrion, Pycelle and the High Sparrow.

That leaves 1 more for the Stark box and then it will be interesting to see what they do with the Mercs as they have 3 \heroes to date. Could be 3 more NCU/Commanders to go yet.

Sining wrote:
Reaper minis are also made of a much worse material than CMON boardgame plastic though.

I was replying to a post about the quantity of miniatures, not the quality.

Great looking miniatures! Anybody know the scale? Will they mesh well with (older) GW miniatures?

 Illumini wrote:
Great looking miniatures! Anybody know the scale? Will they mesh well with (older) GW miniatures?

32mm so probably not

 Illumini wrote:
Great looking miniatures! Anybody know the scale? Will they mesh well with (older) GW miniatures?

They're the same scale as Blood Rage minis, which are at least closer to my older GW minis than my newer GW minis are. So long as you ignore those old, gigantic heads!

A bit OT but seems like a good place to ask... does anyone have a Blood Rage or Zc:BP mini and a Frostgrave plastic Barbarian mini that they could take a size comparison picture of. I want to see if they are close enough to use as Wildlings as I have 4 boxes currently unused. (I'd check against my Zc:BP stuff but it's all in storage at the moment).

I suspect the RRPs will actually be lower. I just checked my massive darkness KS and it's 27 for each hero+monster add-on but rrp is 25 on MM

frankelee wrote:

RoninXiC wrote:
How is this a bad value?
For 150$ you get 100+ detailed miniatures enough for 2 players including the ruleset. How is that bad value?

MORE THAN 100 MINIATURES?

Also we're talking about PVC miniatures, which are cheaper plastic miniatures (there's a reason green army men come in tubs of 144 for $10 at the Oriental Trading Company), so I'm not putting them on a pedestal like they're GW minis (which are so over-priced I rarely bother with them). And we're talking about an army scale game, which means individual troopers need to come cheap...

...The real problem is the add-on units, which at $35 each is just a non-starter.

This, in a nut shell, is why I am very hesitant to pledge and support the game. The kickstarter has decent value, but if you want to actually build a community around it to be able to get games, you have to convince people to pay $35 for 13 PVC limited pose minis.