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CMON have over estimated the RRP of some Kickstarter addons in a few campaigns recently so I wouldn't be surprised if the boxes are actually around the $28-30 RRP when they make it to retail and then store discount on top.

Weirwood Tree and Corpse pile add on (in coloured plastic)






and the previous terrain sets now come in coloured plastic

Please note the cardboard terrain quantities in the Work In Progress Rulebook are incorrect. The quantities present in the Plastic Terrain Sets actually match the correct quantities of what will come in the Starter Set as cardboard tokens:

[1x] Trees
[3x] Stakes -(reverse)- Hedge
[1x] Palisade -(reverse)- Low Wall
[2x] Palisade -(reverse)- Ruined Wall
[1x] Bog
[1x] Weirwood Tree
[4x] Corpse Pile

Re: Corpsepile-Sometimes I wonder what the factory workers in China think when they see these things come through. I'm going to guess that the concept of a board game with miniatures is likely a bit foreign to them. They must just shake their heads like "Who plays with corpse pile toys?"

I personally am not backing this because it is stupid expensive. CMON makes some of the best PVC miniatures out there, but PVC is still inferior to metal, resin, and HIPS plastic. In likely less than a month I will be able to order Massive Darkness enemy boxes (like the Troglodytes) for $25 from Miniature Market. It will include 24 miniatures in six unique sculpts, one of which is a giant monster. Or...for 20% more I can get half the contents that will be delivered in 1.5 years from now by buying an add-on for this game! This box should be stuffed to the brim with miniatures for big giant battles.

Pycelle done and that completes the Lannister Hero box (MSRP $35)



Next Varys (Mercenary)




That leaves one Stark (probably a Tully) and one Mercenary to complete the box sets.

I hope it will be Blackfish and Bronn, although the latter is also closely attached to the Lannisters

That corpse pile is a cool thing - would be a nice piece to go with my undead armies.

Likely wait till retail and see what things I can pick up as so much unpainted stuff lying about.

I decided to back it. Not sure really what to add on as with many of you mentioned the cost and possibility of being available cheaper. But overall I don't see the argument over the price it is a tad higher then most KS for the initial buy in but at around $1 a model and pretty straight forward game. Games that are easy to learn yet difficult to master make the best games IMHO.

I'm in. I'm going to get enough add ons to ensure I can play all three factions at small points so I can play out the box. Not looking to start another wargame fully.

Something like a miniature version of pocket battles would be fine haha!

Up next is the Black Fish for the Starks.



They have also added Activation markers for $7 per set of 10. Available for all 3 factions so far.

Depending what base size they're on, those might make good objective markers for certain other games

Sining wrote:
Depending what base size they're on, those might make good objective markers for certain other games

They are on the same size bases as the infantry so 30mm I believe.

Blackfish unlocked next is Reek to finish the merc box. (Sorry no pics on phone)

The Stark box isn't finished apparently Maege Mormont doesn't go in that box so there is 1 last Stark left.

2 days left, and it's "only" $1.2M?

That seems disappointingly low for such a high profile property by CMoN.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
2 days left, and it's "only" $1.2M?

That seems disappointingly low for such a high profile property by CMoN.

Difference between a miniature board game and miniatures war game. There just isn't anywhere near as much interest in the war game market compared to board games.

Love the Reek model and art.

And they've done a Blackfish model now.

Must resist...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
2 days left, and it's "only" $1.2M?

That seems disappointingly low for such a high profile property by CMoN.

Lots of things done wrong by CMON about this campaign, mostly before it even began. It's clear from their financials that games like 40K and X-Wing make more revenue a year than all of CMON does, and I think they thought this was going to be a surefire hit. And got blinded by the dollar signs in their eyes. No way they would have bought the license if they knew the Kickstarter and interest would be so small, in my opinion.

Of course, if they want to chase that 40k type money, they could always continue to push and refine their already existing games likes Dark Age and Wrath of Kings...

 Fireball wrote:

 Illumini wrote:
Great looking miniatures! Anybody know the scale? Will they mesh well with (older) GW miniatures?

32mm so probably not

Yes they will, as GW minis are 32mm+ scale.

Can't link as on mobile but next stretch is Bran on Hodars back and Summer (desperate single model unit like Ghost).

Aeneades wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
2 days left, and it's "only" $1.2M?

That seems disappointingly low for such a high profile property by CMoN.

Difference between a miniature board game and miniatures war game. There just isn't anywhere near as much interest in the war game market compared to board games.

Too true! Had this been designed as a territory control game like Blood Rage or Rising Sun, I think that would have done much better. Rehashing Warhammer Fantasy Battles was an instant turnoff to me, too.

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frankelee wrote:
Lots of things done wrong by CMON about this campaign, mostly before it even began. It's clear from their financials that games like 40K and X-Wing make more revenue a year than all of CMON does, and I think they thought this was going to be a surefire hit. And got blinded by the dollar signs in their eyes. No way they would have bought the license if they knew the Kickstarter and interest would be so small, in my opinion.

I agree that CMoN had high hopes, but I'm not surprised by the result.

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One of the podcasts I follow made the very valid point is that billing it as Song of Ice and Fire means that TV game of thrones fans who've never looked at the books won't instantly recognise what it is

even though it's a longer title they really should have gone with The Game of Thrones: Song of Ice and Fire that would have probably got a bunch of extra click thoughs to at least look at it

I'm sure that's a licensing thing and they would have had Game of Thrones in the title if it was allowed.

The new plateau terrain looks nice. I'm certainly at least leaving in my $1 and waiting to see how I feel after Massive Darkness arrives, if not yet committed to the full pledge.

I don't get why they're making the terrain exclusive. Like if they made boxes of three tree sets I think they'd sell quite well at retail.

Yeah I really don't understand why the terrain is exclusive this would sell well for years to come.

Speaking of terrain they've added low hills as an add on and now there is a bundle deal.

just stop calling more than 1 million dollars a failure please. You're making a fool out of yourselves.
This is one of the most succesfull kickstarters of alle times in the miniatures category. Might not be THE one but 1,2 million is still A LOT.

This is now the second highest Miniatures Wargame kickstarter, the highest being Robotech at $1.4 million which failed to deliver the majority of the rewards.

To compare to other wargames, Mantic's highest Wargame kickstarter was for Warpath and only managed to bring in $485,000. Both Kings of War were around the $355-360k mark. They achieved more for the first Deadzone but that was a miniatures boardgame (and even included boardgame in the title).

They should have just refused to put any rules in, it would have made at least as much as Reaper Bones then. lol

Aeneades wrote:
This is now the second highest Miniatures Wargame kickstarter, the highest being Robotech at $1.4 million which failed to deliver the majority of the rewards.

To compare to other wargames, Mantic's highest Wargame kickstarter was for Warpath and only managed to bring in $485,000. Both Kings of War were around the $355-360k mark. They achieved more for the first Deadzone but that was a miniatures boardgame (and even included boardgame in the title).

I'd call into question if there's an appreciable distinction between the two then. DeadZone is a skirmish-level wargame set in the WarPath universe, and they're the exact same miniatures used in both; the latter simply uses more. While movement is simplified compared to a battle game, it seems rather weak to say that's the distinction.

This project still beats it, but it calls into question the very point being raised by the detractors. A no-name setting, certainly relatively speaking, was able to pull down "in the ballpark" amounts (I suspect in large part due to the terrain offering), and it is currently losing to a project based on an old cartoon from the 80s. I think the 24 hour bump will put it up higher than Robotech at the closing bell so calling it a failure is a touch of hyperbole since, as pointed out, it will be the highest miniatures wargame. On the flip side, I suspect it's also exaggerating to say it was anywhere near the level of success CMON expected at the outset.

For me, the offering didn't grab me. I wanted to like it, and some of the sculpts are very nice, but to me it's mass-battles without the mass. Too many other things on the table right now to make space for it, but maybe in the coming year when they get it out to retail it'll get a second look.

That chainmail looks terrible.