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 Pacific wrote:
Interesting if BFG is coming back. But, game design has moved on a bit since that first came out - it will have to be something special indeed to give Star Wars Armada a run for its money, in my view.

Likely to be same as BB and Notcromunda and almost exact port which is a double edged sword as it will get the crusties coming back and a spike in sales and interest just lime BB. However the recent BB league anecdotally has killed BB in my area at 2 stores and the local club as nothing shows up the many issues of it's 20yr old rule st than league play as if you play 1 game a week it is fun any more that that is tedious(you literally in many cases may as well just roll off before the game and call the highest roll the winner and save yourself a couple of hours you will never get back).

BFG is the same it was fun a decade ago now not so much, hell Firestorm Armarda is a better game and DFC and SWA are even better, also people will not play SWA because of the price so not sure how well a FW priced game is going to go down.

I'd love it, but hoping it's a proper release and not just a one off single box set or the like...

SeanDrake wrote:


BFG is the same it was fun a decade ago now not so much, hell Firestorm Armarda is a better game and DFC and SWA are even better, also people will not play SWA because of the price so not sure how well a FW priced game is going to go down.

Eh, they've only got to beat the value of the SW Armada starter set to get someone interested. And if it really is a mirror side situation, then you have the choice of splitting the box, or doubling your forces at will. With how fleet games hook you, the starter should be a deep loss leader. Then you'll fork out for the 60 dollar battleship, and the other one, and the cool ordnance markers... and then you're too deep to back out.

Praying and hoping my BFG fleet will still be usable in this. I love my imperial navy.

Also, perhaps the HH BFG is the obvious choice to start with and they could do different periods of time and that way introduce new fleets and so on, such as we saw with the various Battletech books and advancing timelines affecting different forces.

Any enthusiasm I might have had for a returned BFG is utterly smothered by the news they're AoS'ing Mordheim.

Fantastic. As if it wasn't already hard enough to recruit new players, now classic Mordheim will be completely killed off. Honestly I can't even muster up the energy to be annoyed any more, it's just depressing.

Battlefleet Heresy you say?



OK. I'm ready.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Any enthusiasm I might have had for a returned BFG is utterly smothered by the news they're AoS'ing Mordheim.

Fantastic. As if it wasn't already hard enough to recruit new players, now classic Mordheim will be completely killed off. Honestly I can't even muster up the energy to be annoyed any more, it's just depressing.

Easy there... It was a 'probably' so nothing's set in stone, remember Blood Bowl was released completely ignoring AoS.

We needs more DOOM & GLOOM™!

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Any enthusiasm I might have had for a returned BFG is utterly smothered by the news they're AoS'ing Mordheim.

Fantastic. As if it wasn't already hard enough to recruit new players, now classic Mordheim will be completely killed off. Honestly I can't even muster up the energy to be annoyed any more, it's just depressing.

Easy there... It was a 'probably' so nothing's set in stone, remember Blood Bowl was released completely ignoring AoS.

Its worth mentioning that BB was always in its own bizzarro Old World universe.

Like you say, nothing's set in stone, but I personally think it will be set in Age of Sigmar. If they are paying any attention to social media, and I think they do, they'll see a fairly active AoS28 Facebook page as well as a pretty widespread fan-made ruleset called Hinterlands for small skirmishes.

An AoS'd Mordheim boxed set has a market ready and waiting.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Any enthusiasm I might have had for a returned BFG is utterly smothered by the news they're AoS'ing Mordheim.

Fantastic. As if it wasn't already hard enough to recruit new players, now classic Mordheim will be completely killed off. Honestly I can't even muster up the energy to be annoyed any more, it's just depressing.

Okay 1) It's not mordheim, the people who say it is are jumping to conclusion based on evidence to the contrary. It says it's intended for competitive and organized play, that's pretty much the opposite of Mordheim. The rumor started because people don't pay attention. 2) Mordheim has been dead for a long time, you still play it and have fun with it and that's great but it's totally a weekend at bernie's type situation. 3) AoS mordhiem would be awesome and I hope we do eventually get it but Shadowspire 99% isn't it.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Any enthusiasm I might have had for a returned BFG is utterly smothered by the news they're AoS'ing Mordheim.

Fantastic. As if it wasn't already hard enough to recruit new players, now classic Mordheim will be completely killed off. Honestly I can't even muster up the energy to be annoyed any more, it's just depressing.

We know zero, zip and nothing at all about the gameplay of Shadespire. People talking about it being Mordheim are just grabbing guesses out of their asses. The ONLY thing we know is that it's intended for competitive play. Could be a card game for all we know (well, actually we know it will have miniatures).

 Yodhrin wrote:
Honestly I can't even muster up the energy to be annoyed any more, it's just depressing.

Promise?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Any enthusiasm I might have had for a returned BFG is utterly smothered by the news they're AoS'ing Mordheim.

Given FW's recent track record I think there's just as much of a chance that the new Mordheim will also be set during the Horus Heresy.

BFG is one of my regular game systems and the prospect of new ships, players and the heresy? Yes please!

 zedmeister wrote:
BFG is one of my regular game systems and the prospect of new ships, players and the heresy? Yes please!

Absolutely, but while the individual fleets, especially the latter xenos ones, need a serious reworking, the original rules are, to my mind, the best tabletop wargame ever written.

Looks like many of GW's "new" Specialty Games are set in the Heresy Era.

It greatly reduces the logistics of figures for the first set, as both sides can use the same miniatures!

 Mymearan wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Any enthusiasm I might have had for a returned BFG is utterly smothered by the news they're AoS'ing Mordheim.

Fantastic. As if it wasn't already hard enough to recruit new players, now classic Mordheim will be completely killed off. Honestly I can't even muster up the energy to be annoyed any more, it's just depressing.

We know zero, zip and nothing at all about the gameplay of Shadespire. People talking about it being Mordheim are just grabbing guesses out of their asses. The ONLY thing we know is that it's intended for competitive play. Could be a card game for all we know (well, actually we know it will have miniatures).

I believe the rumor on this thread said that's two different things, Shade Spire this year with AoS-Mordheim next year.

If the HoS artwork is anything to go by then even if it's set in a AoS city (fingers crossed for the Phoenicium) it'll still have a Old World touch to it so the Old Guard can play it in the Old World.

I don't get the 'gaming has moved on' thing.

I want BFG because BFG was an amazing Naval game, which paid dividends when you applied classic, Napoleonic fleet tactics (capping the T, Ackbar Slash etc). It wasn't a game of 'ship to ship' combat, but one where you had to wield your fleet as a single weapon. And it was ace.

Granted, I was never that great at pulling off the tactics and strategies, but I still enjoyed trying. Launching seemingly wild volleys of torpedoes to dissuade his Frigates and Destroyers from a certain course? Beautiful. A single Ship of the Line blobbing its orders, throwing the rest of your strategy into chaos? bliss.

Yes, Armada has come along. And that's a game I've never played myself, so I shan't comment less I show only the ignorance I know is already there. But round my way, it's not really played.

A group did try it, but didn't keep it up, going back to X-Wing. But that's also the group who still play BFG now and again, and indeed only gave Armada a whirl because newbies couldn't easily buy a BFG fleet (have you seen the eBay prices?? I sold a Battleship on there for around £70, when I paid maybe £20....)

Whether there's been general advancements or not cannot and will not detract from BFG being a very well regarded gaming classic - with a good number of fans. It's also a gaming monicker associated with a successful and well regarded PC version - if you like, that game has kept the light burning, not only for long term fans, but newcomers looking for a satisfying fleet engagement game.

Me? I'm very interested to see what FW do with it. The basic system is pretty solid (especially your firepower being affected by the opponent's facing), and I suspect any FAQs released during the game's original run will be incorporated into the main rule book.

I don't get the 'gaming has moved on' thing. 

I've seen some good arguments but I think it mostly comes down to fanbases wanting to condemn companies cashing in on nostalgia. (Pretty sure 80% of the entertainment industry would implode if they did stop)

I like modern games. Mantic is doing great work. X-wing is fantastic. Nostalgia is bad. I hate Space Hulk and BB.

BFG is a good game. Played it again recently. Firestorm Armada is a bad game. DFC is obviously good as it's BFG 2.0 and doesn't even hide the fact. SW Armada seems unplayable to me. A slightly updated BFG with oodles of plastic 40k ships would be sweet.

BFG did not do too well with the xeno fleets, but in honesty as good as Imperial vs Chaos was, I think the game was even better with Imperial vs Imperial or Chaos vs Chaos. It becomes much more chess like having two similar forces, as we will probably see with Heresy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I like modern games. Mantic is doing great work. X-wing is fantastic. Nostalgia is bad. I hate Space Hulk and BB.

BFG is a good game. Played it again recently. Firestorm Armada is a bad game. DFC is obviously good as it's BFG 2.0 and doesn't even hide the fact. SW Armada seems unplayable to me. A slightly updated BFG with oodles of plastic 40k ships would be sweet.

But these are just opinions. When people trot out stuff like "modern" gaming has moved on its as if they think gaming has objectively improved, which is obviously untrue.

There is nothing measurably better about something like X-wing over something like Necromunda for example.

New BFG? Well gak, guess the clock is ticking for me to finish my homebrew ruleset before it's completely obsolete... (assuming GW doesn't totally drop the ball here).

Hope the new stuff is same scale as the older models at least.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I like modern games. Mantic is doing great work. X-wing is fantastic. Nostalgia is bad. I hate Space Hulk and BB.

BFG is a good game. Played it again recently.

I play it regularly and it still rocks. We also play X-Wing which is great too but really we all think BFG is a more tactical game.
And yes, BFG works best Imperium vs Chaos. Xenos fleets tend to work weird/unbalanced.


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 Xca|iber wrote:
New BFG? Well gak, guess the clock is ticking for me to finish my homebrew ruleset before it's completely obsolete... (assuming GW doesn't totally drop the ball here).

Way ahead of you

Though, I hope they don't "streamline" the game as they intended at some point (gunnery tables replaced with generic 4+ hits...).
Also I don't want to see class of Super-Titan-Battleships...

'Modern gaming'? Being 'left behind'?

Does that matter to a niche product line like FW's own games?

 Yodhrin wrote:
Any enthusiasm I might have had for a returned BFG is utterly smothered by the news they're AoS'ing Mordheim.

Fantastic. As if it wasn't already hard enough to recruit new players, now classic Mordheim will be completely killed off. Honestly I can't even muster up the energy to be annoyed any more, it's just depressing.

I wouldn't mind either old world or AoS mordheim, there could be plenty of interesting things to deal with in the high fantasy AoS.

Just to be clear. Hastings said he is not sure if the new mordheim thing will be aos or old world. If it is coming from the main studio, it will probably be an aos game. If it is specialist games they may well set it in the old world. He also made it clear that Shadespire is not the new mordheim. If the rumour engine guess is correct, that game will be played on tiles.

 Galas wrote:
Well, Bloodbowl was a success even with the Mantic sci-fi one and Guild Ball.

But yes. Beating Star Wars its a thing that I think GW can't acomplish.

They COULD, but that would take a massive cross sell across several media and spending money advertizing it and promoting it EVERYWHERE, and GW isn't even willing to do that with their flagship titles.

 Just Tony wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Well, Bloodbowl was a success even with the Mantic sci-fi one and Guild Ball.

But yes. Beating Star Wars its a thing that I think GW can't acomplish.

They COULD, but that would take a massive cross sell across several media and spending money advertizing it and promoting it EVERYWHERE, and GW isn't even willing to do that with their flagship titles.

Maybe thats not a great idea afterall...




Now being serious. Can you imagine what can Warhammer become (or its became?) if GW put money in advertising and try to make it a Mainstream thing? Like. Marvel Movie-Universe. Deadpool and Logan are the proof that things can be a commercial succes with more than a Teen rating.

J-just from which year is that? Please tell me it's from the nineties.