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2017/04/01 17:25:15
Subject: [SWA] what do you think ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I played the game today and it was fun. There must be more who have played this game locally what do you guys think about it ?
The rules set in general felt familiar and includes a lot of cool rules such as hitting your own guys, jumping falling and fast simple combats that still has a cool and friendly injury system, you almost want you guys to roll on the wounded table.
The only thing I missed where multi lv terrain rules, it seems kinda odd that they aren't included in the rules.
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2017/04/01 20:52:38
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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I really want to play it, but without an Inquisitional detachment (seriously GW, what the hell? This game is practically made for them!), I'm feeling very left out.
It's just pretty disappointing that they've kept things limited almost entirely to single boxes. Hopefully in the future they'll release rules for more varied squads. In the meantime, I could try writing up some of my own, but that's a task in its own with its own hurdles.
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2017/04/01 23:26:06
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator
California
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I played my first full game today (of either WH40k or Shadow Wars) and had fun, but I have been following WH40k for almost a year and am familiar with the rules. The initial army composition seems streamlined if you ignore some of the additional ammo/upgrade purchases, and the ongoing campaign progression helps push the narrative campaign angle. I was bummed to see that I had to pay for each Force Weapon on my Grey Knights (30 point minimum), but being swords they paid dividends on two of my assaults by forcing rerolls.
The modifiers (cover, running etc.) are a bit cumbersome to track during the shooting phase with all of the other to hit/wound rolls, but it made more sense towards the end. Negative Save modifiers were really the only consistent benefit provided on either side, and that was only when it was an extreme like -3. Assault seemed random with the stats that are tracked, as well as the attacker and defender essentially starting on equal footing (+1 for Assaulters)... I think assaulters should have a better modifier (D3 maybe) given that it is not the easiest position to get into.
All in all it was a fun game. Things started to drag towards the end when the bunker door was destroyed, but much of the wasted time was spent reading over the rules. The single objective kept the action moving towards an area and combat was fairly quick. These rule checks would go away as familiarity increases, and I could see this being a fun game to start a league off of.
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2017/04/01 23:36:46
Subject: Re:[shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Found a local game shop who got sw:a and sold it early. Game is fun. Rule book is nice and concise, with roo for expansion for other factions. Overall a good book and game.
Proof of purchase didnt upload first time
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2017/04/02 02:47:56
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Fafnir wrote:I really want to play it, but without an Inquisitional detachment (seriously GW, what the hell? This game is practically made for them!), I'm feeling very left out.
It's just pretty disappointing that they've kept things limited almost entirely to single boxes. Hopefully in the future they'll release rules for more varied squads. In the meantime, I could try writing up some of my own, but that's a task in its own with its own hurdles.
There is no real need to feel left out it would not be that hard to play your henchmen as count as genestealer or guard kill teams. Not all of your models could join, and you lose a ton of customisation options but this is the case for armies.
This game feels like it could use some serious supplements. All of the factions could use some more love in the equipment and hiring department but the core rules and the levelling up system are both great.
Glad these 2nd edition like rule become mainstream now. Automatically Appended Next Post: vyse.04 wrote:
All in all it was a fun game. Things started to drag towards the end when the bunker door was destroyed,
Wait you guys actually found the rules for bunker doors ? There are rules for hitting and attacking terrain but we found non for the terrain themselves.
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2017/04/02 04:14:18
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Flashy Flashgitz
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Fafnir wrote:I really want to play it, but without an Inquisitional detachment (seriously GW, what the hell? This game is practically made for them!), I'm feeling very left out.
It's just pretty disappointing that they've kept things limited almost entirely to single boxes. Hopefully in the future they'll release rules for more varied squads. In the meantime, I could try writing up some of my own, but that's a task in its own with its own hurdles.
The game seems to be pretty much basic troop types. They confined the game to squads and Sgt. equivalents. Maybe that aced out the Inquisitor? I get the reluctance to freelance, but it should not be difficult to port over other 40K models. Or, do some counts as. Gotta believe once they recover from having sold out in seconds, GW will add more fun stuff. And, then, balance goes out the window.
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2017/04/02 05:19:43
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Renegade Inquisitor with a Bound Daemon
Tied and gagged in the back of your car
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Gobbla wrote: Fafnir wrote:I really want to play it, but without an Inquisitional detachment (seriously GW, what the hell? This game is practically made for them!), I'm feeling very left out.
It's just pretty disappointing that they've kept things limited almost entirely to single boxes. Hopefully in the future they'll release rules for more varied squads. In the meantime, I could try writing up some of my own, but that's a task in its own with its own hurdles.
The game seems to be pretty much basic troop types. They confined the game to squads and Sgt. equivalents. Maybe that aced out the Inquisitor?
The thing is that your average Inquisitor isn't much better a fighter than most Sgt. equivalents anyway. They have access to a more esoteric and less uniform armoury, but as far as reflections of their combative abilities in the fluff are concerned, they're not particularly special in the greater scheme of things. The only real limitation that they face right now is that there's no plastic unit box for them (and rightfully so, considering how unique each individual one is meant to be).
It's the same reason why Sisters don't have a detachment, despite being one of the forces present at Armageddon and having a basic troop type. They don't have a plastic box.
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2017/04/02 05:22:58
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Kinebrach-Knobbling Xeno Interrogator
California
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We found the rules for the door (3 HP), but we ended up counting any one of the four entrances to the bunker we were using. It didn't help my cause during deployment as I had to cover four entrances, and the attackers came in on a side with ruins so three were essentially in full cover with a view of the door the entire game. In hindsight I should have called one door, but it was the first game at the store and my first game ever at that. It still ended up being a good game, and we got a chance to go through each phase which was the main purpose anyway. At least the alarm was sounded on turn one so my movement wasn't nerfed, but it ended up being a no win situation. Again the game was fun so I can't complain.
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2017/04/02 06:08:28
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Ute nation
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I've seen the two MWG batreps, and it looks like a blast. It's different enough from 40k to be diverting but similar enough to be comfortable. They really succeeded in making the forces different from each other, with fairly minimal rules bloat. Excited for the leagues to start and replace Blood bowl as the FotM.
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2017/04/02 06:12:23
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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I though MWG only had 1 Batrep out.
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2017/04/02 06:34:14
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Ute nation
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One on youtube and one is in the members only vault. The one in the vault was Astra militarum vs Orks and no spoilers, I really like it because of the way it ended. It was a fitting "well that's Necromunda for you" way to bring the match to a close. *Edit* People are already starting to post others, I expect by the end of the week we will be swimming in SW: A batreps
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2017/04/02 06:37:23
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Bah, PM me the spoilers, at least? I am curious to see how the IG fares.
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2017/04/02 10:28:18
Subject: Re:[shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Chaplain with Hate to Spare
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This game is probably going to trick me into buying a Xenos army or two. Or at least a kit or two from a Xenos army. But it at least gives me a reason to give my Skitarii Vanguards the Ranger Heads (Rangers can take Radium Carbines in SWA).
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2017/04/02 11:32:04
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Rampaging Khorne Dreadnought
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What do I think? I think GW can go feth themselves for making it a limited release...... seriously. I was looking forward to preordering it, aaaaaand it's gone -_-
*rant over*
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2017/04/02 11:34:48
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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I've tried to find it on the GW website, but it's saying sold out - is that permanent?
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2017/04/02 11:55:58
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Worthiest of Warlock Engineers
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Has anyone seen the IG rules? I have my bods ready but I need to see them first.
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Free from GW's tyranny and the hobby is looking better for it
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2017/04/02 12:30:08
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Sgt_Smudge wrote:I've tried to find it on the GW website, but it's saying sold out - is that permanent? The box might be but no sane company would keep an entire game OOP if they clearly have ways to produce it and make money from it. My guess is that it is just a supply issue cover up. Automatically Appended Next Post: yes I have. They are quite simple, but I might have remembered some wrong. All point costs are the same as the ones on the genestealer online lists for troopers, leaders heavies (70 not 10 10 was a misprint) and juvs, but theiir stats are worse. Leader regular vet stats has voice of command gives re roll 1's to hit within 12". tooper regular vet stats juv regular guardsmen stats Guards can take up to 3 of these heavy *vet stats ? not sure if vet of guard stats ) these are the only ones who can take special weapons Max squad size was 10 perhaps 12 weapon options. Special weapons: grenade launcher krak, frak or both, flamer, plasmagun. No acces to heavy stubbers like the genestealers have basic, lasgun option to give them hot shot also others forgot those since they are kinda inferior might be auto gun and shotgun pistols: plasma, las, bolt close comabat weapons and power or chain sword. No heavy close combat stuff all the guard armour is available Other options I remember extra hand weapons, cammo gear ( - 4 shooting distance for those shooting at you ), hooks for safely jumping of buildings, red dot laser (+1 hit), telescopic sight ( extra range), photo vision (-1 cover), and some grenades not sure what ones
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2017/04/02 13:44:27
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Irked Necron Immortal
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Got to play a test game at my local GW yesterday. It's a fun quick game and easy to pick up with lots of subtly. I played Skitarii vs his Khorne marked CSM. He had numbers (cultists) and hard hitting melee ( CSM) vs my more specialized and higher costing team. I rolled poorly when it mattered and lost my leader as my first causality. It went down from there. Moral victory, I killed his Aspiring Champion while my Alpha was just out for a game.
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/ShadowWar/SWA_Killteams_ENG.pdf
PDF for the armies not listed in the main book. Which I assume are SM, Ork, and AM
And yes this is a limited splash release.
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2017/04/02 14:11:41
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
Surfing the Tervigon Wave...on a baby.
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I look forward to it and appreciate the other factions getting a free download...but sorta awkward when you don't have the core Kill Team rules to look at (so how many Specialists can we have, eh?) and some of the weapon profiles are in the core book too.
Limited seems like a really bad move on GW's part. They did state something on the GW FB page so maybe we'll see reprints - would be stupid not to keep this around as it's clearly that popular.
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2017/04/02 14:14:26
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Enigmatic Chaos Sorcerer
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I find it funny that there's no way to play actual Space Marines, but Chaos can get Marines in the sheets I saw (there were Grey Knights, but I didn't see any way to do a team of like Tactical Marines, just the Scouts). Playstyle wise I saw a demo and paged through the rules, it was not too bad but seems like it's easily abused (like anything else) if you jump right into min-maxing a team.
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2017/04/02 14:35:32
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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Wayniac wrote:I find it funny that there's no way to play actual Space Marines, but Chaos can get Marines in the sheets I saw (there were Grey Knights, but I didn't see any way to do a team of like Tactical Marines, just the Scouts). Playstyle wise I saw a demo and paged through the rules, it was not too bad but seems like it's easily abused (like anything else) if you jump right into min-maxing a team.
You can't do a team of Tactical Marines, but Scout Kill Teams get 1st Company Veterans as Specialist Operatives.
A Chaos Marine Kill Team that isn't going heavy on Cultists is going to be extremely small, just like the Grey Knights one(which caps you out at 6 models total).
League play is apparently aimed at 1k points for a campaign, so factor in that you need to build a bit of leeway in case someone dies/gets downed and has to miss out on a game. The Scout list I built yesterday ended up being more or less about what an all CSM Kill Team would be. It's small, it's heavy hitting but if you lose even one guy you are boned for the next game unless you had some way to keep them safe.
Also for those who are interested, they have parted out the PDF that was posted yesterday so you can find the factions you want easier.
Here is the Community Post with all the links
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2017/04/02 14:52:36
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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DarkStarSabre wrote:I look forward to it and appreciate the other factions getting a free download...but sorta awkward when you don't have the core Kill Team rules to look at (so how many Specialists can we have, eh?) and some of the weapon profiles are in the core book too. Limited seems like a really bad move on GW's part. They did state something on the GW FB page so maybe we'll see reprints - would be stupid not to keep this around as it's clearly that popular. You have 2 specialists unless it is noted on your faction lists. Guards get 3. But yeah not being able to read the core rules and learn them at home is quite sucky.
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2017/04/02 15:08:32
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Member of a Lodge? I Can't Say
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So does anybody have a picture of the rules?
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2017/04/02 15:45:56
Subject: Re:[shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Yeah based on the MWG video it seems like Genestealers will be insanely strong since they can all start in hiding which basically forces your opponent to move forward while you wait for the best opportune time to blast them.
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2017/04/02 17:02:45
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Ollanius Pius - Savior of the Emperor
Gathering the Informations.
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If they did, they probably couldn't be posting them since it's published material rather than PDFs.
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2017/04/02 17:15:01
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Ute nation
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Spikey bits has some pictures, but they are for the rules everyone would know from watching a batrep. I'm pretty sure we are going to see a digital release of the main rulebook, Which is the reason I'm not worried about the box set selling out.
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2017/04/02 17:26:12
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Androgynous Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
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I heard I can't use my daemons! So no reason to pick it up. I'm sure my local has a copy. But I'm not snagging it.
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2017/04/02 18:16:37
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
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I'm excited to play a game of it. I definitely want to try making a Skitarii Alpha with dual Phosphor blasters. Why? because it sounds awesome. Sad that the fletchet blaster is only for infiltrators I would have loved to see a Alpha dual wielding them. Also a Sniper with the Arquebus paired with a buddy carrying a Omnispex seems nasty off the top of my head " I'm just going to sit back here and camp for headshots "
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Vorradis 75th "Crimson Cavaliers" 8.7k
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2017/04/02 18:20:37
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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I can't wait to try it, hopefully it won't be long before they release another wave.
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2017/04/02 18:31:06
Subject: [shadow wars: Armageddon] what do you think ?
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Stalwart Veteran Guard Sergeant
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I'm really excited for this! My first taste of warning was a few clunky games of Necromunda. This will be nostalgia heaven!
Right, I'm off to eBay some metal Necron warriors/immortals, as I feel that they will cause retro overload!
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