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 lord_blackfang wrote:
It still costs a card. If it works one time and disappears on the backswing, it's no better than a ploy, outside upgrade-dependant objective or inspire conditions.

ANY warband that loves to piece trade or has disposable fighters is going to hugely benefit from upgrades that can be equipped to get their Glory train started, or allows you to tool up a fighter for a single Glory with the upgrades that get better the more you have on a fighter.

Doesn't matter for Grymnwatch, Gitz, Godsworn Hunt, Skaven that they go away when the fighter is hit... since all they are trying to do is send their fighters at you like damage 3+ bullets to one shot your fighters.

Do we know when Harrowdeep is coming out - is it likely to be before the end of October? I've got my warhammer+ voucher burning a hole in my imaginary pocket

Billicus wrote:
Do we know when Harrowdeep is coming out - is it likely to be before the end of October? I've got my warhammer+ voucher burning a hole in my imaginary pocket

No idea, hoping they announce the preorder tomorrow. I want to use my voucher on it too.

Harrowdeep confirmed for October

https://youtu.be/glaupA1UwLM

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/04/how-the-new-rivals-format-opens-warhammer-underworlds-up-for-everyone/

The Rivals format seems interesting. Wondering what more of these preconstructed decks will look like.

I wonder if we'll still have the Vanguard format, or if Rivals is replacing it.

I do wish Rivals wasn't so restrictive though. I'd have loved if it was something like Faction Cards + Essentials Pack, which will still keep folks on the same level. Some factions just have awful faction cards, and the Silent Menace wouldn't be a great deck to run on it's own.

Turns out I've been unknowingly playing Rivals for 2 years now ever since the default decks have become so coherent they don't need tweaking. Truly a revolutionary format. Nice way to frame any potential reduction in the number of cards you get tho.

 jaredb wrote:
The Rivals format seems interesting. Wondering what more of these preconstructed decks will look like.

I wonder if we'll still have the Vanguard format, or if Rivals is replacing it.

I do wish Rivals wasn't so restrictive though. I'd have loved if it was something like Faction Cards + Essentials Pack, which will still keep folks on the same level. Some factions just have awful faction cards, and the Silent Menace wouldn't be a great deck to run on it's own.

I get the impression that the only valid Rivals decks will be those released with the new season, or Silent Menace and other decks they release like that. Just taking the faction cards from any of the previously released warbands won't be a valid Rivals deck, as those weren't balanced with this game mode in mind. So if you want to play older warbands you need to pair them with one of the universal pre-constructed decks. Which isn't great.

What would be ideal is if they just gave us a list of cards for a Rivals deck for each pre-existing faction, that are broadly balanced to the new ones, but I doubt that will happen.

Edit,

Never mind spotted the clarification.

Rivals seems like a great way to play Warhammer underworlds.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Turns out I've been unknowingly playing Rivals for 2 years now ever since the default decks have become so coherent they don't need tweaking. Truly a revolutionary format. Nice way to frame any potential reduction in the number of cards you get tho.

You sort of dominated with Bone Jokers and Soulless elves the last time we played, although I feel I've upped my Lumineth I don't feel comfortable going against the newer warbands. The promised carrot is the universal expansion that should theoretically bring the older decks to pair with the newer ones. I do want to see how everything will play out, but yeah, certain decks drive themselves just fine with little to no follow-up tuning.

Harrowdeep goes on pre-order next weekend

Beastgrave warbands and the Primal Lair are off the GW website, but the warband sprues are not up yet in their respective AOS armies.

Don't play Underworlds but I picked up the the Primal Lair box, nice piece of terrain.

I wasn't expecting Harrowdeep to be up so quickly!

Kind of annoying that the acrylic tokens for pre-order are GW online store only. Going to feel pretty crummy telling my local store to not order me an extra copy now.

I'm so excited to order harrowdeep.

Harrowdeep 80€ (£60/$95 price bracket)

Big oof. The cost of being cheap and printing in China finally catching up to us.

Ouch. >.<

What sort of price point were previous season sets at?

 Dysartes wrote:
What sort of price point were previous season sets at?

The previous one was 65€. The first season was 50€.

May also be in expectation that they'll sell fewer of the warbands to people just chasing the cards

with the new game mode just needing this starter plus your warband of choice instead of having to buy warbands just for the odd card or two to be competitive

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Harrowdeep 80€ (£60/$95 price bracket)

Big oof. The cost of being cheap and printing in China finally catching up to us.

It's probably less that and more they've been increasing the prices year by year anyway. How much was Direchasm, £50? £55?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
What sort of price point were previous season sets at?

The previous one was 65€. The first season was 50€.

The first two seasons were 50. then beastgrave was 60 and then 65. Direchasm is 65.

Underworlds is a very interesting look into just how fast and by how much GW is willing to jack the prices up if they think they can get away with it. Warbands went from 15£ to 25£ in what, three years?

I've been particularly disappointed with the price increases on their Underworlds stuff. It's the difference between buying 4 or 5 sets to perhaps just purchasing the odd one or... none. It's less about being able to afford them against perceived value for money. £15 for some unique sculpts which I liked and fit into a gaming ecosystem felt like a really good deal by GW standards.

At £25 I'd sooner buy a box of infantry for an army based game or put it towards another hobby or activity entirely.

Anyway, if there's a sale on at Element for this box later down the line I'll more than likely pick it up as the set this time around looks pretty good.

Were they not £17.50 originally? Looking at when I got them in July 2018 they were £14 after 20% discount.

Hiking the starter is particularly awful for me as I adore the kruleboys but have no interest in primaris stormcast and very little in what will be, I believe, my 6th set of cardboard components.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Hiking the starter is particularly awful for me as I adore the kruleboys but have no interest in primaris stormcast and very little in what will be, I believe, my 6th set of cardboard components.

Minor semantic quibble, but it sounds like going forward these are going to be treated as a kind of "launch box" for the season while there's an actual starter set at a lower price point.

And I really have disliked the price jumps on this game. I never really felt the need to chase every single warband, but I didn't fault those who did. I'm missing the individually available warband models more than anything else right now. They were great for conversions.

Unboxing article went up as soon as I finished typing this, of course.

Vorian wrote:
Were they not £17.50 originally? Looking at when I got them in July 2018 they were £14 after 20% discount.

Nah

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Were they not £17.50 originally? Looking at when I got them in July 2018 they were £14 after 20% discount.

Nah

These are sprues without cards, I believe, intended for AoS.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

These are sprues without cards, I believe, intended for AoS.

Yep! They were Direct Only items.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Were they not £17.50 originally? Looking at when I got them in July 2018 they were £14 after 20% discount.

Nah

These are sprues without cards, I believe, intended for AoS.

Seems correct. Pretty certain they were originally £17.50 with cards on the original release, since I would have ordered them before any price increase.