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 Kanluwen wrote:

Unboxing article went up as soon as I finished typing this, of course.

I like the boards and the burgundy magic dice.

Biggest difference seems to be that the new box has about 50 extra cards and a very slightly longer rulebook. Not sure that's worth the extra £10.

Well dang I was wrong. Still, 17.50£ to 25£ for the same content is still a significant increase, just not AS significant.

Vorian wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Were they not £17.50 originally? Looking at when I got them in July 2018 they were £14 after 20% discount.

Nah

These are sprues without cards, I believe, intended for AoS.

Seems correct. Pretty certain they were originally £17.50 with cards on the original release, since I would have ordered them before any price increase.

I don't regret buying Direchasm( its grown on me ) but I love the theme of this new set and wish I'd been patient. The art, boards, dice...even the stormcasts are gorgeous. The Kruelboyz aren't my bag but they're not objectionable either. I've got a feeling that we might see new warbands for Tzeentch and Nighthaunts...

I like Xandire's design but it would have been nice to have an option for her hood to be pulled back. Its a great touch and makes her stand out as an explorer but I also like her hair style on the box cover...cake or eat it situation. Also, it would have been nice to have their warscrolls in the new Stormcast battletome...little impracticalities!

I've had to say no to myself to purchases of latet. I know that if I do put in an order for Harrowdeep on saturday, everything else is going to be announced all at once and it will be even worse! A new Warhammer Quest! New titan for titanicus! Harlequin codex! I'll be bloody penniless!




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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Harrowdeep 80€ (£60/$95 price bracket)

Big oof. The cost of being cheap and printing in China finally catching up to us.

Oh is it £60?

Maybe I got lucky with Direchasm afterall...

I still think the fact the Profiteers warband has a Khemist in it, but costs less than a standalone Khemist is hilarious

*Grumble*

It doesn't look like "Cage Head" Kruleboy can be painted partially assembled, my shaky hands are not looking forward to working on him.

 aku-chan wrote:
*Grumble*

It doesn't look like "Cage Head" Kruleboy can be painted partially assembled, my shaky hands are not looking forward to working on him.

You can always try sticking his head on a stick for the time of painting, it's separate from his headcage

 aku-chan wrote:
*Grumble*

It doesn't look like "Cage Head" Kruleboy can be painted partially assembled, my shaky hands are not looking forward to working on him.

Because they're designed as push-fits, you can have them fully built to prime and use a knife blade or a flathead screwdriver to gently separate it out to paint the head first.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
I still think the fact the Profiteers warband has a Khemist in it, but costs less than a standalone Khemist is hilarious

If you can find a substitute base or an extender or equivalent the Crimson Court gives you 4 Vampires for £25. As opposed to buying a single Vampire Lord for £18.50.

Most of the Underworlds Warbands give you pretty solid character equivalents, even the direct only ones for AoS use.

Don't even have to go that far.

Just hobby saw the base to preserve the topper, then glue it onto a 40mm.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:


If you can find a substitute base or an extender or equivalent the Crimson Court gives you 4 Vampires for £25. As opposed to buying a single Vampire Lord for £18.50.

Most of the Underworlds Warbands give you pretty solid character equivalents, even the direct only ones for AoS use.

This! Its a fantastic set of models and they also make for a solid adventuring group for the solo-coop campaigns for AoS.

Warbands certainly compare very, very favourably to buying single heroes.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Warbands certainly compare very, very favourably to buying single heroes.

And if you don't play the game you can generally make $10-15 back from the cost of the warband by selling the cards that they come with online.

To answer the price questions, the warbands were £17.50 when they came out. With GW’s fictitious exchange rates of 2 CAD = 1 GBP it means that in Canada in Jan 2020 a warband cost $35 plus tax. Prices went up twice in 2020 so by the end of the year (Morgok’s crushers) they were $50 plus tax.

I wanna say Nightvault was $70 when it was released - definitely it was a good deal for Canada even if I’m wrong and it was $80.
Beastgrave was $80 when released and got jacked up to $100 last year mid-pandemic and Direchasm was released at $100.
Harrowdeep now looks like it’s going to be at the $120 price point - pretty ridiculous really.

Talk about printing in China all you want. The real reason GW raises prices year after year, decade after decade, is because they can. Because fools like us will continue to buy.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Harrowdeep 80€ (£60/$95 price bracket)

Big oof. The cost of being cheap and printing in China finally catching up to us.

Wow. Yikes.

I think the original pricing in the UK was £40 for Shadespire and Nighthaunt with the warbands being £17.50.

Then I think the price rose to £50 for Beastgrave and Direchasm with the Beastgrave warbands being £22.50 and the Direchasm warbands being £25. At some point they may have increased the Nighthaunt warbands to match the Beastgrave.

So, £60 now for Harrowdeep (maybe the WarCom article saying it was the biggest ever starter was a typo and they meant biggest priced ever starter) and I wouldn't be too surprised to see the warbands get price creeped to £27.50/£30 now too.

One of the reasons I liked Underworlds compared to Necromunda/Kill Team was it used to feel like a very nicely priced casual/introduction game. I got the N17 set then got turned off Necromunda when the book treadmill became apparent. Same with all the Elite/Arena book/expansion spam in KT.

The first two UW seasons were really nice, I got 2 x starter + 2 more warbands for £92 total after the 20% FLGS discount and that gave me six warbands, all the dice and cards I needed and four boards. That feels like peak new GW and it has been a downhill slide since then.

Harrowdeep is expensive! I may be out of UWs, just after getting in....

Don't worry, the warband in this new season will have a price hike to reflect the insane value of the new starter.

Also, that's a 4 man stormcast warband, they're tough, they hit hard and now also come with extra body, pay up boissss.

Chopstick wrote:
Don't worry, the warband in this new season will have a price hike to reflect the insane value of the new starter.

Also, that's a 4 man stormcast warband, they're tough, they hit hard and now also come with extra body, pay up boissss.

...Storm Of Celestus in the two player starter is also a 4 person Stormcast warband, and they have done anything but set the world on fire.

4 health fighters in the game are honestly not hard to kill, and from what I can see on the fighter cards, their defensive stats aren't much to write home about.

Really, the only thing unique about this Stormcast warband is that we FINALLY have one that has a truly diverse loadout. A ranged fighter, a couple melee brawlers, and a fast objective grabber. Compared to the all the other Stormcast warbands, we have one that can now play a flexible style like Dread Pageant, or Myari's Purifiers.

The price increase is a bit of a bummer though.

 NH Gunsmith wrote:

The price increase is a bit of a bummer though.

I really worry they might have priced people out in my region. Direchasm’s seemingly accelerated release rate early this year - at a time when nobody was playing in-person anyway - burned a lot of people out. They might see this new price and just not come back. More than the mainstream games, Underworlds seemed to need that competitive community to keep it alive and I think the price rises during a pandemic may have driven enough away that our small community won’t be able to reform when we’re able to play in-person again.

As much as I enjoy this game, at 95$ USD I feel this is a pretty big rip-off. That's half the price of the Octarius box for less than half the models, no terrain, a booklet instead of an actual book, and more cards? And while I bought Octarius, I didn't feel it was a particularly great deal. Does this also mean that Warbands are going up to 50 bucks each this season too?

I just don't see inflation or the extra content of this set being worth 45 bucks more than Nightvault, or even 30 more than the new starter.

It's a tough choice as this is probably my favorite GW game, but I have a hard time supporting them if this is their new pricing model.

Check out the Harrowdeep unboxing [Italian] here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6OwCt5yKWE

Quite sparse on close-up details.

Its the main game I play, I'm buying the box. Not a huge issue for me, when its one of the few hobby purchases I make.

OK.. now that I have seen the fronts and backs of the new cards.. going forwards I dont believe I will mix the two types.. so everything prior to now, is old style, and this box and going forward is it's own card pool

arrggh

who am I kidding, they gonna get me anyhooo

I don't play without card sleeves, so cardbacks mean very little to me. Love the full spread art on the new cards though.

 jaredb wrote:
I don't play without card sleeves, so cardbacks mean very little to me. Love the full spread art on the new cards though.

Neither do I, but some sleeves aren't perfectly opaque... My objective deck sleeves are fine for preventing me from telling which card is which from wear patterns and color differences, but I will be able to tell which cards have the new backs for sure.

Really tried to hold off being negative until we got to see the card backs... but I think the fact they changed the backs pushes me out of pre-ordering this box. Could have dealt with the price increase....

But essentially turning it into two different games systems with the new backs just feels slimey.

Guess I am just going to treat the game as a boardgame to pull out when people come over to visit, and only use the stuff I currently have.

Roadmap - https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/10/14/harrowdeep-might-be-dark-but-the-warhammer-underworlds-road-map-reveals-a-bright-future/

So looks like Zombie Pirates are next then.

Yeah pirates of some kind look like a given, the parrot isn't very undead though but it may not be for an undead pirate warband



Not a fan of tying 2 new warbands to a new core set given the new pricing