Warhammer Underworlds - Embergard new edition. p.151

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**grahamdbailey**

Anyone any suggestions what to do with older cards and boards?

**SamusDrake**

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
Whilst an overhaul is needed there are several things that would gel for me as someone who has every release except for dice and card sleeves.

Also as a player who has been ready to stop collecting for a couple years due to it essentially being a dead game locally (More people play Star Wars armada on a weekly basis than there have been players at my FLGS in the last 2 years).

1: An appropriately priced box of cards for every warband released so far. I know they will be online but decent cards over print outs would be appreciated.

2: Reduce the price as an entry game?
I am the only player I know of in a town of 150,000. There are others with sets and warbands but there has been zero organised play for almost 3 years. If I want a tournament I have to drive 150km to my local 1.5 million population town to get one.

I'm not sure what else I want or need.
I love the models.
The game play is good.
Games are very quick and very variable.
No one wants to play it....

The only place I've ever seen Underworlds sold is in dedicated wargame indies and GAME.

Yet it was designed as something they'd sell in Waterstones to make Age Of Sigmar more popular, but ended up on the FOMO treadmill for serious wargamers. My local game cafe has every other game being played under the sun - D&D, Magic: The Gathering, Ratan, Exploding Kittens. You name it they probably have it on the shelf. But nothing for Underworlds.

What is needed is simply "Warhammer: Underworlds - Core Set". So long as the match up is the same as the current Stormcasts vs "Villian-of-the-edition" of AOS, then they don't need multiple season boxes. Expansions, yes, that include new boards, models and game modes, but they need a recognisable product on the shelves of major retailers. Just update it alongside a new edition of AOS every three years.

**Mad Doc Grotsnik**

grahamdbailey wrote:
Anyone any suggestions what to do with older cards and boards?

Fashion them into a rather attractive hat?

**SamusDrake**

Flex your creative juices and make your own board game! I've used the contents of Direchasm to whip-up mini-Quest games.

**Matrindur**

SamusDrake wrote:

What is needed is simply "Warhammer: Underworlds - Core Set". So long as the match up is the same as the current Stormcasts vs "Villian-of-the-edition" of AOS, then they don't need multiple season boxes. Expansions, yes, that include new boards, models and game modes, but they need a recognisable product on the shelves of major retailers. Just update it alongside a new edition of AOS every three years.

And it seems this is exactly what they are doing now since they said:

This new Core Game will be your starting point for the entire new edition, which means no new season starter set every six months.

**lost_lilliputian**

Matrindur wrote:
SamusDrake wrote:

What is needed is simply "Warhammer: Underworlds - Core Set". So long as the match up is the same as the current Stormcasts vs "Villian-of-the-edition" of AOS, then they don't need multiple season boxes. Expansions, yes, that include new boards, models and game modes, but they need a recognisable product on the shelves of major retailers. Just update it alongside a new edition of AOS every three years.

And it seems this is exactly what they are doing now since they said:

This new Core Game will be your starting point for the entire new edition, which means no new season starter set every six months.

Just wondering does this mean the new Embergard starter set miniatures will be available later on separately? Or only in this box set?

**Matrindur**

lost_lilliputian wrote:

Just wondering does this mean the new Embergard starter set miniatures will be available later on separately? Or only in this box set?

They will likely be available separately but only after Embergard is discontinued so I wouldn't expect them in the next three years

**lost_lilliputian**

Matrindur wrote:
lost_lilliputian wrote:

Just wondering does this mean the new Embergard starter set miniatures will be available later on separately? Or only in this box set?

They will likely be available separately but only after Embergard is discontinued so I wouldn't expect them in the next three years

Really, wow that long. That's a long time in the world of Warhammer.

**deano2099**

grahamdbailey wrote:
Anyone any suggestions what to do with older cards and boards?

Play first edition?

I suspect unless the new edition is just obviously loads better, the first edition cards will retain value. Especially as the minis have been made easily available a lot more than the cards have been.

Though if I'm wrong and anyone wants to send me their now completely useless Rivals of the Mirrored City cards I'd be happy to help them out!

**SamusDrake**

Matrindur wrote:

And it seems this is exactly what they are doing now since they said:

This new Core Game will be your starting point for the entire new edition, which means no new season starter set every six months.

Which is good, but once again will it be sold through more retailers this time so that it reaches the attention of the wider tabletop crowd? If they can do that and bring the price down to a sensible £55, Underworlds will do wonders for GW.

**callidusx3**

SamusDrake wrote:
Matrindur wrote:

And it seems this is exactly what they are doing now since they said:

This new Core Game will be your starting point for the entire new edition, which means no new season starter set every six months.

Which is good, but once again will it be sold through more retailers this time so that it reaches the attention of the wider tabletop crowd? If they can do that and bring the price down to a sensible £55, Underworlds will do wonders for GW.

Quoted for truth!! The main thing that has always held down the player base for WU has been GW’s myopic marketing strategy of selling a boardgame to its own miniature gamers instead of yo the broader boardgame market (where many other tactical arena combat games have been thriving… looking at you Unmatched, Godtear and Wildlands).

**chaos0xomega**

I missed the part about the no season starters every 6 months (or rather I misread it and understood it to mean the opposite of that). That makes the game even more compelling as I often found the pairings in the box sets to be lackluster but the implication was you needed to drop $100 on the set to continue playing.

**Inquisitor Gideon**

Bit of a dive into the new/updated rules:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/qrtynnia/theres-a-new-edition-of-warhammer-underworlds-coming-these-are-the-biggest-rules-changes/

**deano2099**

SamusDrake wrote:
Matrindur wrote:

And it seems this is exactly what they are doing now since they said:

This new Core Game will be your starting point for the entire new edition, which means no new season starter set every six months.

Which is good, but once again will it be sold through more retailers this time so that it reaches the attention of the wider tabletop crowd? If they can do that and bring the price down to a sensible £55, Underworlds will do wonders for GW.

When Underworlds first launched they did exactly this. It was £40 / $60, they sent out copies to board game reviewers like The Dice Tower and got a bunch of playthrough videos done. Targeted board game shops (who they had a small in with from Silver Tower at that point), emphasised the push fit models...

It did okay. Reviewed really well, commended for the price point. Weirdly I think it may have been the deckbuilding that killed it for the board game crowd (the first few seasons, warbands didn't even come with enough cards for a legal deck, nevermind one that was playable and balanced). By the time Rivals came in, and all the warbands had a deck that worked out of the box... well, the boxes were twice the price of what they were before.

**Overread**

It wouldn't surprise me if one problem GW keeps having is that they release for the casual market and then the die-hard regular GW market scoops it up and dominates the market; which results in GW pricing and marketing towrad those customers and what was once an affordable outreach product is now a regular more expensive in-brand one

**GaroRobe**

“ Now, only warbands and cards that you can actually buy from Warhammer.com, a Warhammer shop or independent trader can be used in events making it fairer and more accessible for everybody.”

The models on half the cards aren’t available though. Are we expecting them to get a re release or would GW really make cards for OOP warbands?

**rybackstun**

Makes sense to reduce bloat, but it'll be sad to see a fair amount of the old Warbands dusted.

I wouldn't count on everything that has art to be reprinted or carried forward, especially since all decks are universal.

**Longstrider**

They said 16 are getting physical rereleases along with the two starter ones and two new ones, while all 58 will have digital rules. So presumably those 42 others will not be legal for events.

Of the 20 we'll have physical releases, I imagine some will rotate out of event legality periodically; probably depending on the rate at which new stuff gets released.

I suppose the thing to do is guess which 16 will be legal; MAYBE that's what gets represented on the four decks in the new box?

**NH Gunsmith**

GaroRobe wrote:
“ Now, only warbands and cards that you can actually buy from Warhammer.com, a Warhammer shop or independent trader can be used in events making it fairer and more accessible for everybody.”

The models on half the cards aren’t available though. Are we expecting them to get a re release or would GW really make cards for OOP warbands?

GW made up full army books for a bunch of Legacy factions for Old World, so yeah... I can see them making digital only cards for a bunch of out of print warbands.

**Waaagh_Gonads**

GaroRobe wrote:
“ Now, only warbands and cards that you can actually buy from Warhammer.com, a Warhammer shop or independent trader can be used in events making it fairer and more accessible for everybody.”

The models on half the cards aren’t available though. Are we expecting them to get a re release or would GW really make cards for OOP warbands?

There are Underworlds events?

In Australia it has degenerated into a play at home or quick games at a games club, but events are very few and far between.

Being able to use all warbands is great, even if it is in digital format..

Telling people who own older warbands they cannot take them at sanctioned events is not a positive... then again the TO can do whatever they want and allow any and all warbands.

**Dysartes**

They definitely hold some Underworlds events at Warhammer World, for sure.

**NH Gunsmith**

Dysartes wrote:
They definitely hold some Underworlds events at Warhammer World, for sure.

They held one not too long ago at the GW store in Texas.

A guy I play other games with went to it and came back with some swag.

**Mr_Rose**

Underworlds actually has (had?) official prize support from GW, including alternate art cards and similar.

**The_Real_Chris**

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
grahamdbailey wrote:
Anyone any suggestions what to do with older cards and boards?

Fashion them into a rather attractive hat?

Decorate your games room? I think the boards have some life in other game systems.

**Shakalooloo**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Underworlds actually has (had?) official prize support from GW, including alternate art cards and similar.

Maybe the new version will have alternate photography cards.

**NH Gunsmith**

Shakalooloo wrote:
Mr_Rose wrote:
Underworlds actually has (had?) official prize support from GW, including alternate art cards and similar.

Maybe the new version will have alternate photography cards.

Man, now that is NOT a prize I would want at a tournament.

**455_PWR**

This will end up like Mage Knight, Warmachine, Xwing, Wild West Exodus and many other games that moved to a second edition and invalidated much of 1st edition. Game = dead in a year or two.

1st edition slowed with each release following each starter post covid. The slowing will continue at a faster pace with this decision. Pictures of models instead of art is a poor choice and cheapens the game too.

I'll buy this edition for the models, but 1st edition was and is a great system I'll enjoy for decades to come. I'm ok with this game dying though as I have all 1st edition. Collect it all and you can enjoy it even if the game is over.

**Baltika**

455_PWR wrote:
1st edition was and is a great system I'll enjoy for decades to come. I'm ok with this game dying though as I have all 1st edition. Collect it all and you can enjoy it even if the game is over.

Absolutely this. I have almost a full set of Warbands from 1st edition, and I was really enthusiastic about the re-releasing new card sets for the early Warbands, which helped me fill a few gaps.

Then GW do that GW scorched earth thing and burn it all down to start over. I jumped off that bandwagon with 10th 40K, and this is my exit point for Underworlds. But I am a self-confessed garagehammer guy, who doesn’t go to tournaments, etc, so I imagine I’m not really the target market for 2nd Ed Underworlds anyway.

**laam999**

That's my thoughts. I own all the cards and models released so far a d I have plenty to paint. My local group is very chilled and we're pretty much all happy to play the current edition going forward and enjoy.

All in I'm mildly curious about the new stuff but also happy to just call my collection complete now

**CorwinB**

455_PWR wrote:
This will end up like Mage Knight, Warmachine, Xwing, Wild West Exodus and many other games that moved to a second edition and invalidated much of 1st edition. Game = dead in a year or two.

I fear this will be the case. Strong X-Wing 2nd Ed vibes indeed.