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 Geifer wrote:


I don't know how this is handled by most other companies, but summer to November is at most five months (and nine days). Yeah, that's a bit of a wait, but no way you could produce a larger number of items from concept to finished product in that time. But it'll allow Modiphius to build up all the stock they need to fulfill pre-orders without waiting time.

I don't see how that could be considered a negative. Especially if the release date is set regardless of how long the pre-order period is going to be.

We've been beavering away since September last year on sculpts and games design - been through a couple of big rules changes and now refining, simplifying and expanding the system to do all the stuff we want it to. The goal for wave 1 - November through December, is the first three faction boxes plus various robots, scenery, creatures and expansions to get you up and running. The main releases will then follow in 2018. The pre-order will help us gauge how much we need for the launch.

Will there by a Mr Gutsy amongst those robots? If so I might just pick up a set!

 thegreatchimp wrote:
Will there by a Mr Gutsy amongst those robots? If so I might just pick up a set!

of course!

 modiphius wrote:

 thegreatchimp wrote:
Will there by a Mr Gutsy amongst those robots? If so I might just pick up a set!

of course!

How about T-51b?! (And when you say of course, will it be any time soon?)

Here's an interview from Gamer Feed:
http://www.gamer-feed.com/2017/05/06/chatting-about-fallout-wasteland-warfare-with-chris-birch/

Gamer Feed: Will there be a Super Mutant Behemoth in the game?
Chris Birch: Oh yes!

I'm seriously considering selling organs to buy more of this game. My wife is already on alert that we will be broke during the last months of this year. lol

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Here's an interview from Gamer Feed:
http://www.gamer-feed.com/2017/05/06/chatting-about-fallout-wasteland-warfare-with-chris-birch/

Gamer Feed: Will there be a Super Mutant Behemoth in the game?
Chris Birch: Oh yes!

Yay for Behemoth!

I'm starting to get itchy for actual model pictures. I'm really bad at judging size and here I am wondering how tall the Behemoth will stand.

I wonder if we'll get a seriously overpowered Vault Dweller, too. You know, just to be true to the video games.

Behemoths are about 20 foot tall In game so about 10cm in 32mm.

Thanks for the info. That's rather big. Nice!

Modiphius, please, please, please offer resin versions of your buildings later on. I am okay with cardstock terrain but I really want to actually have a source of legit fallout buildings. I would buy a ton of them.

 Swabby wrote:
Modiphius, please, please, please offer resin versions of your buildings later on. I am okay with cardstock terrain but I really want to actually have a source of legit fallout buildings. I would buy a ton of them.

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This and Vault Rooms.

I think if they take the Creation Kit as inspiration, they could do plastic sprues with walls, floors, etc. very easily, and you could build settlements or vaults or similar with ease. Do resin for the detailed/one off things like the big vault doors.

Plastic would work too, I'm just saying we need actual 3d buildings and not just cardstock!

Agreed. I am not necessarily opposed to paper scenery, but I'm usually reluctant to spend money on it because I find textured 3D terrain much superior to the flat appearance on printed paper. It usually doesn't look particularly good next to nicely detailed models. This is why I also don't really like game mats that have designs with anything larger than small rocks - next to a sculpted base, you see all to well just how flat the printed ground looks.

Of course it depends on how the actual terrain pieces are done. But that's my preference and the prospect of (only) paper scenery is the first thing about the Fallout release I'm not particularly thrilled about.

Yeah, I don't buy premade paper terrain, it's nowhere near durable enough or detailed enough to justify the price, not when you can buy sets of printable images for literally pennies and print out your own for the price of a ream of printer paper and some old cardboard boxes.

Also, it seems particularly ill-suited for Fallout given the heavy art-deco and 60's retrofuturist influences on the world's design - how is paper/card scenery going to pull off all those big rounded curves and fins?

This is the only genuinely disappointing news so far. I hope the plan for paper terrain is a "just for now" thing and proper resin or plastic stuff will be coming later on.

The terrain is coming from Battle Systems. There earliest designs are quite basic but they have really moved things forward with there post apolcalyptic buildings and they added in a few Art Deco buildings as well -

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-urban-apocalypse-terrain

The main benefit of this terrain is that you can fill a 2ft by 2ft playing area for £70 and that includes a mouse mat material game mat. This game is likely to draw in a good amount of non-table top gamers due to the licence so offering a packed playing area which needs minimal assembly and no painting for that sort of money will be a real draw for them.

I agree with the others saying paper terrain does not appeal. I'd even prefer laser-cut MDF and I generally despise that junk for terrain too. Everything ends up looking flat and rendered from a blocky 8-bit video game.

Still, if the terrain remains paper that won't be a deal breaker for me. I am in this for the minis primarily, but if terrain does get made in resin or plastic I'd scoop it up by the armful!

Aeneades wrote:
The terrain is coming from Battle Systems. There earliest designs are quite basic but they have really moved things forward with there post apolcalyptic buildings and they added in a few Art Deco buildings as well -

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-urban-apocalypse-terrain

The main benefit of this terrain is that you can fill a 2ft by 2ft playing area for £70 and that includes a mouse mat material game mat. This game is likely to draw in a good amount of non-table top gamers due to the licence so offering a packed playing area which needs minimal assembly and no painting for that sort of money will be a real draw for them.

An excellent point. The paper terrain would appeal to board game players and non-miniature gaming players. Hopefully there will be some "KS exclusive" resin options for the backers so that the retail crowd can keep the paper stuff.

At the very least I reckon we'll get a swathe of resin scatter terrain. Barricades, turrets, vending machines, wrecked cars, signs, crates, that kind of stuff.

 Paradigm wrote:
At the very least I reckon we'll get a swathe of resin scatter terrain. Barricades, turrets, vending machines, wrecked cars, signs, crates, that kind of stuff.

I hope so! A burned out car and some turrets would make me a happy camper.

Aeneades wrote:
The terrain is coming from Battle Systems. There earliest designs are quite basic but they have really moved things forward with there post apolcalyptic buildings and they added in a few Art Deco buildings as well -

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-urban-apocalypse-terrain

The main benefit of this terrain is that you can fill a 2ft by 2ft playing area for £70 and that includes a mouse mat material game mat. This game is likely to draw in a good amount of non-table top gamers due to the licence so offering a packed playing area which needs minimal assembly and no painting for that sort of money will be a real draw for them.

I've no objection to them making the stuff available, but it's still hugely disappointing that it's all that's going to be available, at least as far as we know atm.

For me, cardstock terrain has three uses: scenarios where you need a lot of really cheap terrain very quickly, scenarios where you don't want to risk your proper terrain being damaged by transit or careless players, or "throwaway" games that you dig out of the cupboard to play maybe once a year but otherwise aren't willing to dedicated time & resources to making a proper table for. For me, the first is a rarity, I try and actively avoid the second, and I don't collect wargames that fall into the third because that sort of occasional casual play is what I have boardgames for. If I'm going to bother investing time & money in a wargame with lovely models, using card terrain to me seems like I'm partially wasting that time & money - it's like getting a perfectly cooked incredible quality steak and then smothering it in so much cheap processed bottle-sauce you can barely taste the meat.

And again, because it seems I have to put a disclaimer in every other paragraph around here these days - I don't begrudge the existence of carstock terrain for this project, and obviously the above is my own personal subjective opinion blah blah etc. It's merely that there's a big drop in anticipation for me between "Fallout terrain" and "oh btw, it's cardstock".

I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting plastic fallout terrain, we're pretty much all going to be wanting that.

It just seems a little unrealistic when it would be a big outlay for what is a relatively small company.

 DarkTraveler777 wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
The terrain is coming from Battle Systems. There earliest designs are quite basic but they have really moved things forward with there post apolcalyptic buildings and they added in a few Art Deco buildings as well -

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1621774283/battle-systemstm-urban-apocalypse-terrain

The main benefit of this terrain is that you can fill a 2ft by 2ft playing area for £70 and that includes a mouse mat material game mat. This game is likely to draw in a good amount of non-table top gamers due to the licence so offering a packed playing area which needs minimal assembly and no painting for that sort of money will be a real draw for them.

An excellent point. The paper terrain would appeal to board game players and non-miniature gaming players. Hopefully there will be some "KS exclusive" resin options for the backers so that the retail crowd can keep the paper stuff.

It is a good point, and I am generally in favor of anything that gets people started. If the paper terrain is affordable, I don't doubt that paper terrain is an excellent alternative to stacking books on a table and putting a cloth over it. I was young once. I had plenty of that. It's nothing I would ever speak up against. I have fond memories of my Imperial Firebase specifically because it was so much better than any other terrain I had at the time. But...

Yeah, there's always a but. I always wished it was the real thing. 3D, sculpted detail and the durability to put a metal Dreadnought atop and not worry that the roof caves in.

Looking at the linked terrain reaffirms me in seeing card terrain as mostly a starter option to get you going. For me, personally, it's just not an option anymore. It's mostly flat, and where it isn't it's due to having the pieces connect with each other and hold in place (something GW solved back in the day quite elegantly with plastic bulkheads). It's a pretty noticeable contrast to the miniatures in the photos and I can only really get behind the pieces in the complete board shots when everything is so small/far away that I can't see the difference anymore.

I very much follow Yodhrin's example and require a minimum standard from my terrain - if literally everything else has had time, money and thought invested in it, why should terrain be exempt?

 Paradigm wrote:
At the very least I reckon we'll get a swathe of resin scatter terrain. Barricades, turrets, vending machines, wrecked cars, signs, crates, that kind of stuff.

And I'll be sure to buy that stuff.

Wrecked cars are probably the most important item on that list as they can be quite sizeable and have a greater visual impact because of it. Not knocking the Nuka Cola machine, but it'll likely be placed against a wall, which robs a bit of its presence.

Plus, I expect wrecked cars to explode! Boom!

Vorian wrote:
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting plastic fallout terrain, we're pretty much all going to be wanting that.

It just seems a little unrealistic when it would be a big outlay for what is a relatively small company.

Yeah, I believe Modiphius pointed out earlier in the thread or one of the interviews that the focus is on core items, like with a modular Vault Dweller and weapons for conversions being reserved for the future, if the game does well enough. Or something to that effect.

I can see it. It's why I'm not upset or anything. I'll certainly look forward to some awesome models and hope the game is so well received that it'll receive ample and continued support.

Will the rules be available as a separate stand alone without the miniatures?

Vorian wrote:
I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting plastic fallout terrain, we're pretty much all going to be wanting that.

It just seems a little unrealistic when it would be a big outlay for what is a relatively small company.

Plastic would be nice, but I'd be perfectly happy buying resin. Also, "plastic" doesn't necessarily have to mean HIPS, when you're getting up to building scale boardgame plastic or even Bones retain more than enough detail while being as cheap as HIPS for the customer and a lot cheaper for the company.

Just saying, it doesn't have to be GW-style multipart buildings vs cardstock, there are other options and I suspect a fair few folk would have been hoping for one of those.

New article over on Geek and Sundry with 3 new images (only linked 1 here).

http://geekandsundry.com/fallout-wasteland-warfare-bring-the-narrative-dystopia-to-the-tabletop/

Swabby wrote:Modiphius, please, please, please offer resin versions of your buildings later on. I am okay with cardstock terrain but I really want to actually have a source of legit fallout buildings. I would buy a ton of them.

We are certainly considering this - Fallout buildings can be BIG though and that could mean some hefty pricing (which likely means more limited sales) so pre-printed cardboard terrain will be very accessible and supplemented with awesome resin scatter terrain will look pretty good. Trust me on this I'm a big wargame and I like my beautfiul terrain but when you see the Red Rocket i think you'll be ready to give it a try.

Paradigm wrote:At the very least I reckon we'll get a swathe of resin scatter terrain. Barricades, turrets, vending machines, wrecked cars, signs, crates, that kind of stuff.

Yep - turrets, lots of them, barricades, vault-tec containers, consoles, vending machines, cars (we're toying with a complete version you can mess with) etc

Vorian wrote:I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting plastic fallout terrain, we're pretty much all going to be wanting that.

It just seems a little unrealistic when it would be a big outlay for what is a relatively small company.

Plastic could be an option but I think the Fallout design style doesn't really allow for that kind of modular scenery. It's on our radar so bear with us. I think cool resin building parts might be a start.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:Will the rules be available as a separate stand alone without the miniatures?

Yes you'll be able to purchase the rules on their own.

Will you be doing New Vegas? It's the only setting/story/factions/characters that i and many others found memorable, I'd love to run an NCR vs Legion game.

Aeneades wrote:


New article over on Geek and Sundry with 3 new images (only linked 1 here).

http://geekandsundry.com/fallout-wasteland-warfare-bring-the-narrative-dystopia-to-the-tabletop/

The Assaultron render in that article is lovely.


Taken from the article:

Of course, with those locations come the famous Fallout 4 characters we all know and love. The game will include male and female miniatures of the Lone Survivor at launch, with expected others such as Preston Garvey, Sturges, and Codsworth (Mr. Handy) from the Sanctuary Hills settlement. Birch says they will be surveying the Fallout community for their favorite characters to be added in the future, and that the list of obvious ones they’re currently working on includes Paladin Dance, Elder Maxson, Lancer-Captain Kells, Knight-Captain Cade, Dr. Zimmer & Armitage, Allie Filmore, Alana Secord, Curie (Miss Nanny), Boomer, Ack Ack, Sinjin, Hancock, X6-88 (Courser), and Strong.

No Cait?! There better be a Cait model...

Here are the other two:

Wowser.. Definitely got the Fallout 4 Deathclaw spot on with that one I think! How big is she compared to the other standard humans?

Would love to do a game with a group of Mercenaries being ambushed by a Deathclaw, then taking shelter in the Museum of Witchcraft and their final moments trying to hide out (remembering that mission from Fallout 4) - is that kind of set up going to be an option with the rules I wonder?