[Modiphius] Fallout: Wasteland Warfare - Liberty Prime Incoming! p.53

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**Mymearan**

fattdex wrote:
Will you be doing New Vegas? It's the only setting/story/factions/characters that i and many others found memorable, I'd love to run an NCR vs Legion game.

Played Fallout 1/2? They certainly are VERY memorable.

**Siygess**

DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Taken from the article:

Of course, with those locations come the famous Fallout 4 characters we all know and love. The game will include male and female miniatures of the Lone Survivor at launch....

Hey, as long as there is female scribe armour and a cowboy hat, I'm good to go!

Spoiler:

**thegreatchimp**

Aeneades wrote:

Ah Mr Gutsy, my favourite!

**Pacific**

Paradigm wrote:
At the very least I reckon we'll get a swathe of resin scatter terrain. Barricades, turrets, vending machines, wrecked cars, signs, crates, that kind of stuff.

There is also a fair amount of that kind of stuff kicking around already, from Ainsty Castings, Ramshackle and the like, as well (although definitely think there is room for the more Fallout style post apoc stuff (the 50s style rocket-car classic US type cars as well)

**-iPaint-**

I'd take a page out of how DUST did their tenement apartment building for modular plastic scenery.

Make the base building as generic as possible, then make add-ons that can turn it into different things - awnings, stoops, billboards, signs, etc.

Come up with a good way to tie in a ruined kit and you're half way there.

~iPaint

**Tamereth**

thegreatchimp wrote:
Aeneades wrote:

Ah Mr Gutsy, my favourite!

Cogsworth, I need you in my gang, if nothing else but to agro a deathclaw at the worst possible moment just to get me killed when I haven't saved the game for an hour. Oh the good times we have had together.

**Nostromodamus**

If you had such good times, you should really get his name right

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

I think it's a good idea to focus on resin scatter terrain, in particular things that have a very Fallout look to them and not a generic look. There's a lot of regular post apocalyptic stuff out there. Things like Nuka Cola machines, Pulowski Preservation Shelters and wrecked Corvegas can be used to spruce up existing terrain or stuff we've scratch-built and make it look extra Fallout-y.

A single Super Duper Mart could cover an entire 4'x4' board.

Going back a little bit in the thread to the subject of vehicles, one way they could be balanced would be to make getting places with them difficult. If I'm remembering Fallout Tactics right, it was really cool to have a tank but actually getting through to various parts of the cluttered maps was difficult due to intervening terrain. Plus it was a big target for missile launchers.

I'm hoping that limited ammunition is going to be a factor in the game. Also radiation.

Those robots look great!

**Swabby**

modiphius wrote:
Swabby wrote:Modiphius, please, please, please offer resin versions of your buildings later on. I am okay with cardstock terrain but I really want to actually have a source of legit fallout buildings. I would buy a ton of them.

We are certainly considering this - Fallout buildings can be BIG though and that could mean some hefty pricing (which likely means more limited sales) so pre-printed cardboard terrain will be very accessible and supplemented with awesome resin scatter terrain will look pretty good. Trust me on this I'm a big wargame and I like my beautfiul terrain but when you see the Red Rocket i think you'll be ready to give it a try.

I will give it a try but I can already tell you that as a wargamer I absolutely hate paper terrain. If you guys don't do it someone else will and really I'd rather give the company making the game the money. At the very least I would suggest making some of the more iconic building bits if not the whole building that could be glued on larger terrain building projects. There are alot of art deco and sci-fi elements that are unique to fallout terrain that do not exist anywhere else in the wargame market.

**Grot 6**

That's a great reason why Foam board and textured paint was invented...

**modiphius**

Vorian wrote:
How about T-51b?! (And when you say of course, will it be any time soon?)

yes we'll be developing those soon don't worry - hopefully for spring 2018 release

fattdex wrote:Will you be doing New Vegas? It's the only setting/story/factions/characters that i and many others found memorable, I'd love to run an NCR vs Legion game.

At the moment no, however the NCR are in FO2 I believe. It's something that may change in time so bear with us.

DarkTraveler777 wrote:
No Cait?! There better be a Cait model...

Yes - didn't mention everyone but we intend to work our way through all the main characters

Pacific wrote:
Would love to do a game with a group of Mercenaries being ambushed by a Deathclaw, then taking shelter in the Museum of Witchcraft and their final moments trying to hide out (remembering that mission from Fallout 4) - is that kind of set up going to be an option with the rules I wonder?

yep the solo rules will let you run a deathclaw vs your own units.

Swabby wrote:
I will give it a try but I can already tell you that as a wargamer I absolutely hate paper terrain. If you guys don't do it someone else will and really I'd rather give the company making the game the money. At the very least I would suggest making some of the more iconic building bits if not the whole building that could be glued on larger terrain building projects. There are alot of art deco and sci-fi elements that are unique to fallout terrain that do not exist anywhere else in the wargame market.

We are exploring whether we can make the resin parts work - the focus is getting the first releases finished, but we'll be testing some ideas out so bear with us - if we can get some basic parts working or at least lots of accessories to make a building look more like the Fallout universe we will for sure!

**thegreatchimp**

Tamereth wrote:
Cogsworth, I need you in my gang, if nothing else but to agro a deathclaw at the worst possible moment just to get me killed when I haven't saved the game for an hour. Oh the good times we have had together.

Baha! Bethesda's AI designers should be executed. I found the companion rules of engagement in New Vegas surprisingly well designed and player friendly. But Skyrim...Skyrim was the worst for it. Trying to sneak past a bandit fort, and your companion decides "I'm going to single handedly engage the entire garrison." Epic pain in the bum.

**Nostromodamus**

When they explore the original games I wonder if we will see Ian or Sulik? If so, I hope friendly fire is a thing

**Vorian**

Full SMG burst to the back of the head - ahhh good times

**Grot 6**

It is now time to start talking about O scale railroad terrain.

THE BEST stuff to use for the tone of Fallout is the Bachman Trains stuff. They have both buildings,, and vehicles as well as other snacks that will make that fallout table come to life. Add in a burnout traintrack, and some cars, and BAM!

Additionally, there are ample amounts of resinsnacks, such as Coke machines, vending machines, mail boxes, phone booths that would fit the bill. Streetlights come both with and without wiring, and your little fence line, and cemetery will also need to be addressed as you come across those Feral Ghoul gangs, and survivors, so you can fix those legs, and have something for the Radscorpions to snack on.

I would recommend looking into getting a few of these kits for both Fallout, and for general gaming.

http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=267_423_425

They are available at your local railroad shops, hobby stores, and available for order from your FLGS.

Additionally, to get the table up, you can use Woodland Scenics, for use to build up the grounds, add in some "wasteland buildings, and throw the resin fallout specifics among the ruins.

http://woodlandscenics.woodlandscenics.com/

I am getting a brand new 4X 4 for the project, my stash of buildings, ( originally bought for a Call of Cthulhu campaign, but never got to) will now see the light of day based on the game screenshots, and general "Generic 50's small town America, circa old photographs and magazines/ look of the era.

mmmm. 4X4, to 4X8 in no time....

**Geifer**

Question to Modiphius. Not sure if you can answer this, but do you have license to expand the lore with your own campaign stuff or can you only do recreations of established lore?

thegreatchimp wrote:
Tamereth wrote:
Cogsworth, I need you in my gang, if nothing else but to agro a deathclaw at the worst possible moment just to get me killed when I haven't saved the game for an hour. Oh the good times we have had together.
Baha! Bethesda's AI designers should be executed. I found the companion rules of engagement in New Vegas surprisingly well designed and player friendly. But Skyrim...Skyrim was the worst for it. Trying to sneak past a bandit fort, and your companion decides "I'm going to single handedly engage the entire garrison." Epic pain in the bum.

I like a reasonably calculable game experience, but I'm partial to the odd bit of hilarity. If Modiphius were to write (AI) rules whereby Piper takes a bullet to save the poor ghoul it was meant for, I wouldn't complain.

Nostromodamus wrote:
When they explore the original games I wonder if we will see Ian or Sulik? If so, I hope friendly fire is a thing

Difference between Ian and me? When I friendly fired Ian, he didn't walk away from it.

**modiphius**

Geifer wrote:Question to Modiphius. Not sure if you can answer this, but do you have license to expand the lore with your own campaign stuff or can you only do recreations of established lore?

We'll be drawing on storylines in the background of the current games but also putting together new missions approved by Bethesda

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

Dogmeat found something!
"Oh, what've you got there boy?"
*beep beep beep BOOM*
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**Loremaster Of Awesomeness**

Holy... I don't care if the rules are trash (not that I'm saying they will be AT ALL) I need those models! They're beautiful!!!!!!!

**Geifer**

modiphius wrote:
Geifer wrote:Question to Modiphius. Not sure if you can answer this, but do you have license to expand the lore with your own campaign stuff or can you only do recreations of established lore?

We'll be drawing on storylines in the background of the current games but also putting together new missions approved by Bethesda

Cool, thanks for the answer.

**Pacific**

Brilliant to read that there will be solo rules!

Not sure how they will work, but sounds like another feather in the cap of the game.

**Motograter**

The paper terrain while ok to start meh overall. Resin terrain it just wouldnt be feasible due to price and may put folks off. MDF terrain is something that can be done cheap, fast and in bulk and its a hell of a lot easier to de with

**Tyr13**

I feel like paper is the best option to start with though. If the game really takes off, that gives Modiphius more capital to invest into new terrain. But if they start out with lots of (somewhat unneccessary, and very game-specific) terrain, and the game flops, or fails to fulfill expectations... that could turn ugly. Better to play it safe.

**Dakka Flakka Flame**

If the paper is really low-cost I'm all for it for starter sets. I know a few people who aren't miniatures players but like Fallout and like board games, so they're interested in this game. If it helps get those kind of people onboard that's great.

I doubt I'll be using paper terrain very much, so I hope it doesn't add a lot to the cost.

**Pacific**

I think it's a difficult balancing act. Pack the box full of plastic terrain, the price starts to multiply, and I'm sure most purchasers look at the miniatures (and the quality and quantity thereof) before terrain. Resin is an absolute no-go as far as a starter set is concerned, any kind of quality would push up the price very high.

Also the company being not overly large, have only so many resources to direct. Again, I'm sure most would prefer they concentrate on a 'core' of popular miniatures from the past few games, rather than building post-apoc terrain.

So paper terrain (and this has been done in a lot of games over the years) fills in for first time players who just want to get some minis on the table. You have the all important miniatures, and there are plenty of other alternatives out there (hell you can just set up some trees and hills from Lord of the Rings or some Bolt Action ruins in the absence of anything else), eventually the company will have more time to release this kind of thing.

**Geifer**

Pacific wrote:
I think it's a difficult balancing act. Pack the box full of plastic terrain, the price starts to multiply, and I'm sure most purchasers look at the miniatures (and the quality and quantity thereof) before terrain. Resin is an absolute no-go as far as a starter set is concerned, any kind of quality would push up the price very high.

Is there actually going to be such an all inclusive starter set (regardless if it's one or two player oriented)? Because I wouldn't mind if there was.

Man, pre-orders can't go online soon enough. The wait is killing me.

**Aeneades**

It sounds like it will launch with faction starter boxes with a small war and for a specific faction. Then next year there will likely be a 2 player starter.

**Vorian**

Geifer wrote:
Pacific wrote:
I think it's a difficult balancing act. Pack the box full of plastic terrain, the price starts to multiply, and I'm sure most purchasers look at the miniatures (and the quality and quantity thereof) before terrain. Resin is an absolute no-go as far as a starter set is concerned, any kind of quality would push up the price very high.

Is there actually going to be such an all inclusive starter set (regardless if it's one or two player oriented)? Because I wouldn't mind if there was.

Man, pre-orders can't go online soon enough. The wait is killing me.

We need the Star Trek pre orders first, that's what's killing me!

**Geifer**

Aeneades wrote:
It sounds like it will launch with faction starter boxes with a small war and for a specific faction. Then next year there will likely be a 2 player starter.

Hmm. Thanks.

Vorian wrote:
Geifer wrote:
Pacific wrote:
I think it's a difficult balancing act. Pack the box full of plastic terrain, the price starts to multiply, and I'm sure most purchasers look at the miniatures (and the quality and quantity thereof) before terrain. Resin is an absolute no-go as far as a starter set is concerned, any kind of quality would push up the price very high.

Is there actually going to be such an all inclusive starter set (regardless if it's one or two player oriented)? Because I wouldn't mind if there was.

Man, pre-orders can't go online soon enough. The wait is killing me.

We need the Star Trek pre orders first, that's what's killing me!

I hope not! I played in the beta and my group is full of genocidal maniacs. When we're done, there won't be any galaxy left to Trek in.

**Vorian**

Well, those are meant to be "in May" which in my head I've taken to mean 23:59 on 31st May to stop me F5ing on the thread every second

So presumably Fallout pre orders won't be for a while after that.