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ERJAK wrote:


30k is nice if you have infinite money and wear a fedora in the shower .

This is superb. Stealing.

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:
About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

That's why I said hopefully. In any case, the days of me preordering sight unseen 40k rules ended permanently with 7th edition as it was the second chance they blew after the crack in the door bs that they introduced 2 years earlier in 6th. Luckily, I get to sit back and wait to see what comes out the other end. If they maintain the game design ethos that gave us the last 5 years (and I personally include AOS in that), they won't make any money off of me. Even if I like 8th, they could still screw it up by not making followup all but mandatory rules free in some basic form.

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

The general's handbooks cost 18$ for the PDF, 25 for the paper copy. The full 40k rule book was what 80? That's 3-4 GHBs for each 40k rulebook and the GHB is better for the game.

Dropped 40k the day AoS released and have been playing that ever since...sold off 3 of my 7 40k armies,saving the other 4 just for this occasion.

Feeling good now!!

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

Yeah if you want everything in book format (so campaigns/rulebooks etc) then costs have gone up massively and they do all have unique bonuses that 'assists' the armies.

Be wary about 30k though because the FAQ states "Well, for the moment, it won’t!". That implies that changes might come in the future. Perhaps they are hedging their bets by having the two systems.

So, those marines look bigger - very much like that leaked photo that people argued to death was fake.

Other than that, pretty much as expected, the AoS route of no points play if wanted, yearly rule updates and rather than codexes, various campaign books.

For me its all in the rules, I'm currently enjoying the warpath ruleset for bigger battles, its much better than current 40k, we will see what they come up with.

Interesting from the new site... this page: https://warhammer40000.com/setting/explore-the-factions/

The three groupings (possibly a clue to there being three battle time books that will come out) are Chaos, Imperial, Xenos

Also... Skitarii are not listed separately to Adeptus Mechanicus

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

The General's handbook is 25$, dude. Calm down. Further, you don't need the campaign books. Go look at the AoS page on GW site. Free pdfs galore for the armies and inexpensive Generals Handbook.

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

- Battletomes rent bi-yearly. They've re-released two Battletomes, Stormcast and Bloodbound, because the Sylvaneth Battletome heralded a completely new format and they needed to be updated. This is a new game and they were scrambling to find a format that worked, don't expect this to happen again in the same way. Plus, you can buy all the rules content from the Battletomes piecemeal in the app for cheaper. Plus, the books are already cheap to begin with.
- Yearly GHB is a positive, and it's like $20, can't see how anyone would see that as a problem. There are no formations in the GHB and you can get all the points free on scrollbuilder.com anyway, so you don't really need more than one per playgroup.
- Campaign books don't have any matched play content in them, the battalions in there don't even get points cost. Other than that it's just fluff and narrative scenarios.

Anyone who has been playing Workshops games for longer than 5 nanoseconds, should not be surprised AT ALL, that they want to figuratively hold nerds upside down by their ankles and shake them vigorously until all the money falls out.

Just get the base rules and stats, and gin up a scenario with yer mates. The slickest PR trick they've pulled is somehow convincing a large section of gamers that you need to buy umpteen books to get the 3 pages of rules.

 DanceOfSlaanesh wrote:
It was real

Spoiler:

I was just about to post this lol! Look at the marine being painted. The armour is the same as the one in the leak. Get wrecked naysayers!!!! I was right!

 warboss wrote:

Will the rules be updated annually (ala, the General's Handbook)?
What a great idea! We've had such a fantastic response to our community-led approach with the
Warhammer Age of Sigmar rules updates that we're committed to doing the same for
Warhammer 40,000. You’ll be able to submit your questions and queries on the Warhammer
40,000 Facebook page and we'll make sure we continue to evolve the game as feedback rolls
in.

For those who play AOS, are the annual updates (ala the General's Handbook) also free content albeit maybe in basic no art or fancy layout form? Or will the base game be free and then you must pay a yearly rules subscription fee to stay updated?

You have three options for points.
Buy the monthly sub army builder. OR buy the digital book in their app. Or buy an ebook or hardback.

Rules are free, formations for new books are not.
Most armies got 2-3 free formations.
Formations and armies rules make it hugely advantagious to keep an army monofaction. IE if you take the random inquisitor you may not be able to field your normal troop choice.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
'Truescale' marines are just more marines though. I don't get why people get so excited over this.

Can't blame GW really - marines is what pays the bills.

I can see why people get excited. One reason is the current Space Marine looks small compared to IG and some other models. The other reason is that if they release a new, bigger marine it might make people's existing models look weird, especially if they are mixed and matched within the same army.

That's sounding like a bad thing, having wonky scaled minis in the same army. Truescale has the air of fan service material about it.

Obviously, it's difficult to say at this stage, does this look to be a Summer release?

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Would Games workshop do a thing like that?

Answered in the FAQ. It's *NEW* Games Workshop. In any case, if there ever would be a change for the better, it would be now. Please note that the preceding statement doesn't comment on the probability of it happened but rather the appropriateness of this situation to a potential change for the better.

I was in their corner for years, supported them for year. Making all current codexs non-compatible just breaks it for me.


Cmon GW, i thought you learned your lesson by now...

RazorEdge wrote:


New Marines

https://warhammer40000.gw-hub.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/01/Build-Hero-Banner.jpg another angle of those guys

Free rules? Lots of ways to play?! They bloody listened to us?! I am excited.

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

Looks like a big leap there. We don't know squat yet, but lets say that is 100% accurate. Is $40 a year really that big of a deal to play the game? I mean, if 40k actually got fixes to broken rules on a regular basis, wouldn't that be worth $40 (or 30 pounds) a year?

 Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote:
Obviously, it's difficult to say at this stage, does this look to be a Summer release?

Would have thought so, going by their previous form.

Should imagine the freebie rules and accompanying releases in a month or so, then the new box in June/July.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

Oh you mean that game with tri-yearly codexes, campaign books out the wazoo and rights of war that give wildly different power-levels of bonuses for free, all while costing between 2-5 time more per model than 40k? Models THAT MELT IN THE SUN btw.
30k is nice if you have infinite money and wear a fedora in the shower but it's not as good as sigmar for normal gamers.

Good to know you know absolutely nothing of what you are talking about. About the only thing you got right was the price cost and MAYBE the melting bit if you leave your models in a car in the sun at midday in the middle of summer while living in a tropical or sub-tropical region...

Or a reasonably warm English summers day. Finecast was a shoddy product foisted on the fanbase by a company aiming to extract money from the foolish. "Crisp" money.

8th edition has an air of the same thing, but people will dutifully queue up to buy, and then moan about, it.

 sfshilo wrote:

 warboss wrote:

Will the rules be updated annually (ala, the General's Handbook)?
What a great idea! We've had such a fantastic response to our community-led approach with the
Warhammer Age of Sigmar rules updates that we're committed to doing the same for
Warhammer 40,000. You’ll be able to submit your questions and queries on the Warhammer
40,000 Facebook page and we'll make sure we continue to evolve the game as feedback rolls
in.

For those who play AOS, are the annual updates (ala the General's Handbook) also free content albeit maybe in basic no art or fancy layout form? Or will the base game be free and then you must pay a yearly rules subscription fee to stay updated?

You have three options for points.
Buy the monthly sub army builder. OR buy the digital book in their app. Or buy an ebook or hardback.

.

There is a fourth option, get the points free on GWs scrollbuilder.com.

Tsilber wrote:
I was in their corner for years, supported them for year. Making all current codexs non-compatible just breaks it for me.


Cmon GW, i thought you learned your lesson by now...

Were you around for the Age of Sigmar launch?

They made the books non-compatible, but had "get you by" lists ready at launch.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

Oh you mean that game with tri-yearly codexes, campaign books out the wazoo and rights of war that give wildly different power-levels of bonuses for free, all while costing between 2-5 time more per model than 40k? Models THAT MELT IN THE SUN btw.
30k is nice if you have infinite money and wear a fedora in the shower but it's not as good as sigmar for normal gamers.

Good to know you know absolutely nothing of what you are talking about. About the only thing you got right was the price cost and MAYBE the melting bit if you leave your models in a car in the sun at midday in the middle of summer while living in a tropical or sub-tropical region...

Or a reasonably warm English summers day. Finecast was a shoddy product foisted on the fanbase by a company aiming to extract money from the foolish. "Crisp" money.

8th edition has an air of the same thing, but people will dutifully queue up to buy, and then moan about, it.

Buy? No, it is free.

So these True-Scale chappies mean they'll have to re-do all the transports, bikes, assault marines, devastators, etc, etc to match up? Ie, sell players the exact same army over?

Sounds like GW.

 warboss wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Would Games workshop do a thing like that?

Answered in the FAQ. It's *NEW* Games Workshop. In any case, if there ever would be a change for the better, it would be now. Please note that the preceding statement doesn't comment on the probability of it happened but rather the appropriateness of this situation to a potential change for the better.

New Coke. Nuff said.

ERJAK wrote:
The general's handbooks cost 18$ for the PDF, 25 for the paper copy. The full 40k rule book was what 80? That's 3-4 GHBs for each 40k rulebook and the GHB is better for the game.

Mini softcover rulebooks instead of the hardbound slipcase trio existed and were sold on the secondary market for half to 1/3 the price of the hardcover set. In any case, I don't think a $25 yearly rules update subscription free (if the rules are in effect mandatory and GW knows/counts on it) is an improvement. I experienced that in 3rd edition and it wasn't a better choice. Trial assault rules anyone? New vehicle rules? All yearly separate books/purchases that were in effect mandatory at least in my local area even if GW labelled them otherwise. If they go down the free living rules rabbithole they should just dive in instead of just poking their head in and having their ass sticking out the other end.

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
So these True-Scale chappies mean they'll have to re-do all the transports, bikes, assault marines, devastators, etc, etc to match up? Ie, sell players the exact same army over?

Sounds like GW.

'Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.'

Apparently, you don't have to

 Rippy wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

Oh you mean that game with tri-yearly codexes, campaign books out the wazoo and rights of war that give wildly different power-levels of bonuses for free, all while costing between 2-5 time more per model than 40k? Models THAT MELT IN THE SUN btw.
30k is nice if you have infinite money and wear a fedora in the shower but it's not as good as sigmar for normal gamers.

Good to know you know absolutely nothing of what you are talking about. About the only thing you got right was the price cost and MAYBE the melting bit if you leave your models in a car in the sun at midday in the middle of summer while living in a tropical or sub-tropical region...

Or a reasonably warm English summers day. Finecast was a shoddy product foisted on the fanbase by a company aiming to extract money from the foolish. "Crisp" money.

8th edition has an air of the same thing, but people will dutifully queue up to buy, and then moan about, it.

Buy? No, it is free.

Apart from new minis, new army books and the inevitable "upgrade handbook". £35 a go.

Full Legion rules incoming? Under choose your faction it currently lists Death Guard and Thousand Sons seperate from CSM