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Does this mean all supplements (without points listed) are invalid already too?

Waited years for Traitor Legions.... Two month lifespan.

 Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote:

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
So these True-Scale chappies mean they'll have to re-do all the transports, bikes, assault marines, devastators, etc, etc to match up? Ie, sell players the exact same army over?

Sounds like GW.

'Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.'

Apparently, you don't have to

Will existing armies have the same "neigh like a pony for a reroll" rules that they put in the AoS rules?

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Does this mean all supplements (without points listed) are invalid already too?

Waited years for Traitor Legions.... Two month lifespan.

Look at my post before yours

I love the salt flowing already over this. I'm amazed that folks actually don't like where this is going.

I am very happy -- I just want the damn rules and warscrolls for SIsters+DE available like NOW.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Does this mean all supplements (without points listed) are invalid already too?

Waited years for Traitor Legions.... Two month lifespan.

Of course, the core rules are being completely revamped.

Another dumb reset button? That isn't what we needed. The current level of complexity wasn't complex. Just too many people who lack the will to put any effort into their hobby.

More than likely the people in our area will be playing 7th until there are enough new army books so that they don't have to play a bland stripped down faction from a list against an opponent that has the newer super-powered book. That is, if they don't just switch to any other of hundreds of games that are more fun than the 40k constant pit of despair that the company keeps making their new editions.

GW's half-truth marketing isn't much different than it used to be. If they are changing to the horrible AoS style rules, they are being more subtle than the first time they crapped them out in their Hobbit game.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Spoiler:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

 warboss wrote:

What happens to my codexes?
The rules in our current range of Warhammer 40,000 codexes aren’t compatible with the new
edition of Warhammer 40,000. These books will be going off sale very soo n.

About fething time and good riddance to 6th/7th style books. Hopefully the idea of formations that dole out free bonuses and models as long as you spend $$$ is gone for good.

Not even close, have you looked at AoS? There's bi-yearly codexs, yearly GHB, campaign books out the wazoo and all with formations with minimal point costs.

All current armies should be ok if you don't want to buy stuff as they will get rules at launch and then left to rot.

But at least unlike with whfb we will still have a game for older players in 30k.

Oh you mean that game with tri-yearly codexes, campaign books out the wazoo and rights of war that give wildly different power-levels of bonuses for free, all while costing between 2-5 time more per model than 40k? Models THAT MELT IN THE SUN btw.
30k is nice if you have infinite money and wear a fedora in the shower but it's not as good as sigmar for normal gamers.

Good to know you know absolutely nothing of what you are talking about. About the only thing you got right was the price cost and MAYBE the melting bit if you leave your models in a car in the sun at midday in the middle of summer while living in a tropical or sub-tropical region...

Or a reasonably warm English summers day. Finecast was a shoddy product foisted on the fanbase by a company aiming to extract money from the foolish. "Crisp" money.

If you took the time to read it properly you would have noticed we were talking about FW resin, not Finecast.
Different products, different materials.

So I still have to buy a book if I want to play normally?

Well that's great.

 ncshooter426 wrote:
I love the salt flowing already over this. I'm amazed that folks actually don't like where this is going.

I am very happy -- I just want the damn rules and warscrolls for SIsters+DE available like NOW.

I am with you. I am excited and hopeful about what I am hearing.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:


Will existing armies have the same "neigh like a pony for a reroll" rules that they put in the AoS rules?

I think you need to actually read up on the state of AoS. None of that gak actually exists in play. Biggest problem with people that bitch about AoS is that they've never actually played it. It kicks WFB in the nuts (KoW if you want that rank&file experience) and is heads above 40K in every way -- hence the reason 40K is going that route.

If you want to grant an additional victory point for MLP references, you are free to do so... in your own setting, open play, and preferably while very intoxicated.

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
So these True-Scale chappies mean they'll have to re-do all the transports, bikes, assault marines, devastators, etc, etc to match up? Ie, sell players the exact same army over?

Sounds like GW.

I don't think they will. The vehicles are all consistent visually with each other and going back to rogue trader have typically never been capable of actually "realistically" fitting what they were supposedly transporting along with the necessary internals (engines, transmission, sensors, weapons, ammo, etc) necessary to actually make the vehicle run in 40k. Yes, I'm aware of 3rd edition conversions fitting 10 marines into a rhino (usually sticking out the top and with no room inside for the internal vehicle components). That aspect has always been left to the imagination and I see no reason for it to change with truescale-ish marines. YMMV but that doesn't bother me.

ERJAK wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

The general's handbooks cost 18$ for the PDF, 25 for the paper copy. The full 40k rule book was what 80? That's 3-4 GHBs for each 40k rulebook and the GHB is better for the game.

You are not really looking at over everything though. In the 2.0 years that AoS has been out you've had 14 battletomes at £25 each (approx), some for relatively pointless things like scenery etc (and are generally only for sub-factions). You've had a campaign series that totals £170. Then there is a core rulebook they have released (£45) and generals compendium. So if you want everything that's about £600 over the two years. Compare this to the assumption of a £50 rulebook and 12 Codexes/campaign styles of about £30 each then you are looking at £410. If you settle on just the core rules and the 40k compendium then yes it is more cost effective, but all these tomes do include special formations and rules etc. It's just the cost is drip fed more. There's now a larger proliferation in total rules in AoS than WFB ever had and the likelihood the same will happen in 40k. It's just that you don't need to use them all the time and the core rules are fairly basic at best.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

 Loremaster Of Awesomeness wrote:

Pistols at Dawn wrote:
So these True-Scale chappies mean they'll have to re-do all the transports, bikes, assault marines, devastators, etc, etc to match up? Ie, sell players the exact same army over?

Sounds like GW.

'Can I still use all my models?
Yes. Every Warhammer 40,000 miniature we sell today will be usable in the new edition of Warhammer 40,000. What’s more, they’ll be supported with new rules, which will be available from the get go in handy, low-cost books.'

Apparently, you don't have to

Will existing armies have the same "neigh like a pony for a reroll" rules that they put in the AoS rules?

Hello 2015

Tsilber wrote:
I was in their corner for years, supported them for year. Making all current codexs non-compatible just breaks it for me.


Cmon GW, i thought you learned your lesson by now...

I don't understand this, why is having the same codex in a new edition that's not entirely compatible until you have to buy the new one better than getting new rules for free that are 100% compatible with the new edition?

Cautiously optimistic. And just when I almost sold all of my painted armies...so I would be forced to buy new...

Tsilber wrote:
I was in their corner for years, supported them for year. Making all current codexs non-compatible just breaks it for me.


Cmon GW, i thought you learned your lesson by now...

I don't see how they could have fixed the current rules and truely horrible balance issues and kept the current codexes.

They may not have fixed stuff - I hope they have but keeping the old codexes meant it would have been impossible.

 kronk wrote:
The General's handbook is 25$, dude. Calm down. Further, you don't need the campaign books. Go look at the AoS page on GW site. Free pdfs galore for the armies and inexpensive Generals Handbook.

I'm totally calm.. I'm just not optimistic. There is a difference. I was optimistic with the 6th and 7th ed rollouts and have since been taught not to be. It's up to GW to convince skeptical customers otherwise (and at least their humor i.e. the new GW comment indicates they're aware of that need).

 Not-not-kenny wrote:

Tsilber wrote:
I was in their corner for years, supported them for year. Making all current codexs non-compatible just breaks it for me.


Cmon GW, i thought you learned your lesson by now...

I don't understand this, why is having the same codex in a new edition that's not entirely compatible until you have to buy the new one better than getting new rules for free that are 100% compatible with the new edition?

It is the internet, people will whine about everything.

Oh God they're Sigmar-ifying it.

3 factions, 3 ways to play, making it "easier for new players to enter" (i.e. less depth to the rules), invalidating codices...

I'm going to need to be proved wrong and seriously impressed to continue in the hobby here. I'll be graduating soon and looking for jobs and my own place, and could do with a convenient excuse to not spend money on wargaming.

I am SO excited for this! These are amazing news! I can't wait to see what hey have done to the rules, maybe I'll be able to return to 40k's gaming side instead of only devouring books!

 Whirlwind wrote:


The general's handbooks cost 18$ for the PDF, 25 for the paper copy. The full 40k rule book was what 80? That's 3-4 GHBs for each 40k rulebook and the GHB is better for the game.

You are not really looking at over everything though. In the 2.0 years that AoS has been out you've had 14 battletomes at £25 each (approx), some for relatively pointless things like scenery etc (and are generally only for sub-factions). You've had a campaign series that totals £170. Then there is a core rulebook they have released (£45) and generals compendium. So if you want everything that's about £600 over the two years. Compare this to the assumption of a £50 rulebook and 12 Codexes/campaign styles of about £30 each then you are looking at £410. If you settle on just the core rules and the 40k compendium then yes it is more cost effective, but all these tomes do include special formations and rules etc. It's just the cost is drip fed more. There's now a larger proliferation in total rules in AoS than WFB ever had and the likelihood the same will happen in 40k. It's just that you don't need to use them all the time and the core rules are fairly basic at best.

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NivlacSupreme wrote:So I still have to buy a book if I want to play normally?

Well that's great.

You'd have to for any new edition, and at a higher price most likely. At least this one allows for the ability to play the game freely, to a degree.

I don't understand why people are complaining about their codex and rules being irrelevant and having to pay for an update. It's not a new thing. Codexes get updated, rules get updated, new things are released. You'd have to anyway, so why complain, especially when the rules are being revamped? Would you prefer to be stuck in 7th constantly? If you want to, then stay in 7th, that's up to you.

I'm just happy that it seems to be being done for cheaper, and that the core rules for newcomers are free. It looks more newcomer friendly, and looks like GW are actually listening.

I'm optimistic. If I'm proven wrong, so be it.

 Whirlwind wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
No one knows as the 2nd General's Handbook hasn't been released yet. It could go either way.

What about the first one? Did they put up the rules (without fluff, art, explanations, etc) on their website for free after they released it?

Nope, you have to buy it (either physically or digitally).

Then in that case it is NOT an improvement. One purchase every five years vs a purchase at 2/3 the cost EVERY year for five years to keep updated is a step back in terms of actual barrier to playing. I hope they don't pull that gak and label it as somehow consumer friendly like they did with unbound and formations.

The general's handbooks cost 18$ for the PDF, 25 for the paper copy. The full 40k rule book was what 80? That's 3-4 GHBs for each 40k rulebook and the GHB is better for the game.

You are not really looking at over everything though. In the 2.0 years that AoS has been out you've had 14 battletomes at £25 each (approx), some for relatively pointless things like scenery etc (and are generally only for sub-factions). You've had a campaign series that totals £170. Then there is a core rulebook they have released (£45) and generals compendium. So if you want everything that's about £600 over the two years. Compare this to the assumption of a £50 rulebook and 12 Codexes/campaign styles of about £30 each then you are looking at £410. If you settle on just the core rules and the 40k compendium then yes it is more cost effective, but all these tomes do include special formations and rules etc. It's just the cost is drip fed more. There's now a larger proliferation in total rules in AoS than WFB ever had and the likelihood the same will happen in 40k. It's just that you don't need to use them all the time and the core rules are fairly basic at best.

Again, the campaign books don't have any content for Matched play. Only narrative scenarios and battalions without points cost. And there's is no "core rule book", what you're talking about is actually the first campaign book. So what you're actually looking at if you want all the Matched play content are the existing Battletomes for factions (12x £25 on average) and the Generals Handbook (£15). So that's £315. If you want to play one army like most players you're looking at £40.

 Destrado wrote:
Surprised this isn't posted yet...

posted this in the other thread that got shut off, but thought i'd post it again here;

that head looks a lot like some of the FW blood angels ones:
(wrong colour obviously tho)
EDIT: well looking at the side by side, they are not exactly the same - slashes/vents are in wrong direction, and they dont have the 'brow' that the pic has, probably more like the regular mkiv helms tbh

 The Shadow wrote:
Oh God they're Sigmar-ifying it.

3 factions, 3 ways to play, making it "easier for new players to enter" (i.e. less depth to the rules), invalidating codices...

I'm going to need to be proved wrong and seriously impressed to continue in the hobby here. I'll be graduating soon and looking for jobs and my own place, and could do with a convenient excuse to not spend money on wargaming.

TBH, there's no real depth to 40k currently. All the choices are made in the list-building. When it comes down to it, despite the million special rules/formations, etc, when your minis are on the board your choices are 'Who do I shoot at/charge next?'.

 Whirlwind wrote:

You are not really looking at over everything though. In the 2.0 years that AoS has been out you've had 14 battletomes at £25 each (approx), some for relatively pointless things like scenery etc (and are generally only for sub-factions). You've had a campaign series that totals £170.

These BT's are nothing more than background fluff, small painting guides, scenario and formations. The formations, and the actual scrolls, are available online. Anyone who wants to play one of the scenarios in a GW store just walks over and opens one of the books as needed, BT is not required. Most of the goodies come from the GHB these days anyway.

Then there is a core rulebook they have released (£45) and generals compendium.

Rulebook is also not required, and never really used. GHB is a whopping 25bones -- the cheapest printed doc you'll find - and it's actually USEFUL.

So if you want everything that's about £600 over the two years. Compare this to the assumption of a £50 rulebook and 12 Codexes/campaign styles of about £30 each then you are looking at £410. If you settle on just the core rules and the 40k compendium then yes it is more cost effective, but all these tomes do include special formations and rules etc. It's just the cost is drip fed more.

The flaw in your math: A Codex is required to play, a BT is not. Your effective comparison drops drastically. The special formations and rules (there are no additional special rules -- every special rule for a unit is spelled out on their warscroll, not the BT) are accessible online. There is maybe a single formation in the BT that isn't in the GHB, which I'm pretty sure in v2 they're collapsing those in there as well.

There's now a larger proliferation in total rules in AoS than WFB ever had and the likelihood the same will happen in 40k. It's just that you don't need to use them all the time and the core rules are fairly basic at best.

If they managed to cram in more rules in AoS than WFB, it sure as feth doesn't feel like it. They managed to make a faster game, with far less complexity, while (per you) adding even more rules.

RazorEdge wrote:


New Marines

#TeamReal has been vindicated!!!

People seem to miss an important fact:
The promised free core rules, but full rules have to be purchased. Core rules probably doesn't get you far.
And more important, the codexes are going away and replaced with cheap ones, but no where does it state that army lists and rules will now be online for free.

So unless that happens and they haven't stated that yet, the usual codex regurgitation and bloat will continue on and on...

 The Shadow wrote:
Oh God they're Sigmar-ifying it.

3 factions, 3 ways to play, making it "easier for new players to enter" (i.e. less depth to the rules), invalidating codices...

I'm going to need to be proved wrong and seriously impressed to continue in the hobby here. I'll be graduating soon and looking for jobs and my own place, and could do with a convenient excuse to not spend money on wargaming.

What? Of course frigging not. Those are the classisfications we've always had: it's always been imperium, chaos and xenos, not actual formal factions.